Identified! VA - Annandale, WhtFem 245UFVA, ~60, 'NO CODE, DNR, No Penicillin', Dec'96

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I tried glancing through the thread for a rule-out list and haven't come across it yet. Has this missing person been considered or ruled out?
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/e/evans_mary.html

Stats would match up nicely. She went missing 10 years prior but if she went missing intentionally, that would explain a lot. Both of them sound like ladies who took care of their appearance.

Thats not bad at all...I can see the simularities....I look into it....althought this MP has her ears pierced....UID had clip on earrings....have to look into that....they don't disapear... I had my ears pierced al long time ago and do never put an Earring in anymore...but you can still see the pearcing.... What do you think of my contribution Barbara Elms?
 
The piercings in her ears might have grown up if she didn't wear earrings. My mom's did. You could still kind of see where the piercings had been but they weren't usable anymore. When she wanted to wear earrings she used clip ons.
 
The piercings in her ears might have grown up if she didn't wear earrings. My mom's did. You could still kind of see where the piercings had been but they weren't usable anymore. When she wanted to wear earrings she used clip ons.

Thats what I mean actualy...no holes to use but still you can see they were pearced one day. I can not see that on the morque pic...but that means nothing......they dont mention her ears where pierced but I,m not perfect and I could have missed something...or they just dont mentioned it...

Looked up the morque picture again and the strange thing is that there is almost no ear to see...not that it is falling of the pictures but they must be very near to her head...almost folded against the head....how can I explain....
 
Rocky from the Doe Network said no one has reviewed the Geurin/PVMGJD match before so they'll look at it and if it's a positive match they'll contact me.

And he also said Barbara Elms has already been submitted.

Hi there. I suggested Barbara Elms just the other day (not knowing that you did that too already in 2012, sorry) Now it is 2016 and she is still missing according to the policesite and Namus and still not ruled out in Namus for Annadale Jane Doe. (although dna is submitted and tests are completed) Does anybody know what could have happened?
 
Hi there. I suggested Barbara Elms just the other day (not knowing that you did that too already in 2012, sorry) Now it is 2016 and she is still missing according to the policesite and Namus and still not ruled out in Namus for Annadale Jane Doe. (although dna is submitted and tests are completed) Does anybody know what could have happened?

It's possible one has STR DNA and the other mitochondrial DNA, which aren't compatible. If Elms has family reference samples, depending on the relationships and the number of samples, it might have indicated the possibility of a match but not certainty, in which case they would have had to follow up to either confirm the identity through other channels or locate additional family members who might be able to give additional samples.

Sometimes there are budget issues, backlogs, no personnel available to work on cold cases, etc. A friend in LE has told me there is little if any money available in his department for DNA testing except for active major felonies. The missing persons cases he has been working on won't be touched until the middle of next summer. Unless there's a family member pushing for an identification, it's pretty common for something like this to be pushed onto the back burner.
 
It's possible one has STR DNA and the other mitochondrial DNA, which aren't compatible. If Elms has family reference samples, depending on the relationships and the number of samples, it might have indicated the possibility of a match but not certainty, in which case they would have had to follow up to either confirm the identity through other channels or locate additional family members who might be able to give additional samples.

Sometimes there are budget issues, backlogs, no personnel available to work on cold cases, etc. A friend in LE has told me there is little if any money available in his department for DNA testing except for active major felonies. The missing persons cases he has been working on won't be touched until the middle of next summer. Unless there's a family member pushing for an identification, it's pretty common for something like this to be pushed onto the back burner.

Dont know what to say....I stated it before...it's all about the stupid money....
 
Dont know what to say....I stated it before...it's all about the stupid money....

DNA characterization is what I use to do in a lab. While initial costs for opening a lab are high, the cost to analyze DNA after having the equipment is very little. It's so frustrating to me that cost is prohibitive, or a hindrance. Seriously, working in my research field part time, I ran hundreds and hundreds of comparative DNA analysis by myself. It's seriously so easy practically anyone could do it once trained.
 
DNA characterization is what I use to do in a lab. While initial costs for opening a lab are high, the cost to analyze DNA after having the equipment is very little. It's so frustrating to me that cost is prohibitive, or a hindrance. Seriously, working in my research field part time, I ran hundreds and hundreds of comparative DNA analysis by myself. It's seriously so easy practically anyone could do it once trained.

I am told by an acquaintance who works in a forensic lab that producing forensic-level results is quite a different matter than for an ancestry or research lab. The procedures for guaranteeing the integrity of the results add a lot of time to the process, for one thing.

The number of labs certified for forensic testing is growing, but there's still a shortage, and in most labs, testing for current crimes takes precedence over cold cases. I suspect demand has driven up prices. There's also more paperwork involved.

Even a couple hundred dollars can be beyond the budget for a small police department. Last year one area department had to stop responding to minor property crimes and similar incidents because they just didn't have the people power; all their resources had been sucked up by drug crimes and the opiod overdose crisis.
 
I am told by an acquaintance who works in a forensic lab that producing forensic-level results is quite a different matter than for an ancestry or research lab. The procedures for guaranteeing the integrity of the results add a lot of time to the process, for one thing.

The number of labs certified for forensic testing is growing, but there's still a shortage, and in most labs, testing for current crimes takes precedence over cold cases. I suspect demand has driven up prices. There's also more paperwork involved.

Even a couple hundred dollars can be beyond the budget for a small police department. Last year one area department had to stop responding to minor property crimes and similar incidents because they just didn't have the people power; all their resources had been sucked up by drug crimes and the opiod overdose crisis.

So sad that a couple hundred dollars can be what prevents catching a murderer, rapist or identifying someone.
 
So sad that a couple hundred dollars can be what prevents catching a murderer, rapist or identifying someone.

Yeah. I've read that the budget item that funds CODIS is out of funds until next year, too. I hope that's not true.

If it's a question of a murder victim, they're more likely to want to solve it. But for a suicide who didn't want to be identified, it's going to go to the bottom of the list.
 
Yeah. I've read that the budget item that funds CODIS is out of funds until next year, too. I hope that's not true.

If it's a question of a murder victim, they're more likely to want to solve it. But for a suicide who didn't want to be identified, it's going to go to the bottom of the list.

The Dutch Forensic Institute has also to cut down on money and personel..... Interpol has started ages ago a project on making an international database, but nothing seems to come of it......(I even thought about making my own international database, like Namus but than international) I don't have time (have to work hard for "it", so no time, money to do it)

Sooooo sorry.....
 
Thats what I mean actualy...no holes to use but still you can see they were pearced one day. I can not see that on the morque pic...but that means nothing......they dont mention her ears where pierced but I,m not perfect and I could have missed something...or they just dont mentioned it...

Looked up the morque picture again and the strange thing is that there is almost no ear to see...not that it is falling of the pictures but they must be very near to her head...almost folded against the head....how can I explain....

And then I found a very sharp drawing..where there is something with the ears wich looks like scarving from old ear pearcing, but it could also be from the bag she had around her face????

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It looks to be a wrinkle on her earlobe. Those crop up very easily, due to things like sun damage, smoking, and heavy earrings, whether pierced or clip-on types.
 
It looks to be a wrinkle on her earlobe. Those crop up very easily, due to things like sun damage, smoking, and heavy earrings, whether pierced or clip-on types.

And some people just have them. My father's left ear had a pronounced wrinkle for as long as I could remember.
 
So sad that a couple hundred dollars can be what prevents catching a murderer, rapist or identifying someone.

It costs about $3,000 to do DNA testing. This is a lot of money even for large agencies, when you are looking at cold cases. The every day major crimes have to come first, that makes sense. I don't think people know the cost for investigating these cases. If I have a loved one, missing or murdered, I would raise funds to help with the labs and costs to help solve it. Go fund me is where I would turn. Just saying.
 
A creased earlobe can also be an indicator of heart issues.


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A creased earlobe can also be an indicator of heart issues.


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Yes, good point. It's diagonal and consistent with that kind of thing. Even a better suggestion than coming from hanging earrings/clips. I guess the crease would be more horizontal from pearcing place. (but I understood that she did not have pearced ears, making it even more plausible) I even thought for a brief while that she could have suffered from a genetic discease called Beckwith Wiedemann (especially visable in children) They have lots of times creases in the earlobes and can have an omphalocele (as UID has a big scar on her belly) but the creases look different. And we will never know, because they did no autopsy.....Maybe to much fantasy..... it could be just aging....
 
It looks to be a wrinkle on her earlobe. Those crop up very easily, due to things like sun damage, smoking, and heavy earrings, whether pierced or clip-on types.

Need to say this...you have a scary picture......who is it?
 
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