Identified! VA - Annandale, WhtFem 245UFVA, ~60, 'NO CODE, DNR, No Penicillin', Dec'96

Status
Not open for further replies.
  • #381
In all fairness people CAN buy new glasses and often do LOL

True. But if those aren't the same pair that she was wearing in the pic with her hubby, they sure are extremely similar.....inferring she liked the style so much she bought a replacement or spare pair? I'm sticking to my belief that it's her. We shall see!
 
  • #382
We've done all we can do -- Astridxx's good research dug up somebody who matched the data we have. We compared data, compared stories, and decided it's close enough to submit. That's all we can do -- the final decision isn't our job. It's so hard to wait, but really that's all we can do.
 
  • #383
Hopefully this won't take too long. I would not be surprised if she was ruled out. Carl has a good eye and I trust his judgement so I'm not really preparing to hear its her.

If anyone sees any other possible matches keep posting!
 
  • #384
In all fairness people CAN buy new glasses and often do LOL

Especially considering the time interval between the two pix. My money is on you being correct, Astridxx; how many women could possibly have glasses that ungainly looking? And be the right height? And age? And have a c-section scar? Most of the "matches" on here don't look like the person at all, and are very far off. This one is not. If we are quibbling about the nose tips of the Doe vs. JG I'd say that's pretty close. If she is not JG I will eat my hat.
 
  • #385
Doe Network won't deny or confirm that Barbara Elms is/isn't still under investigation.

Usually if they're not, they tell you, so this sounds like they do think Barbara is a possibility.

Again, waiting.
 
  • #386
Especially considering the time interval between the two pix. My money is on you being correct, Astridxx; how many women could possibly have glasses that ungainly looking? And be the right height? And age? And have a c-section scar? Most of the "matches" on here don't look like the person at all, and are very far off. This one is not. If we are quibbling about the nose tips of the Doe vs. JG I'd say that's pretty close. If she is not JG I will eat my hat.

Me too!
 
  • #387
Especially considering the time interval between the two pix. My money is on you being correct, Astridxx; how many women could possibly have glasses that ungainly looking? And be the right height? And age? And have a c-section scar? Most of the "matches" on here don't look like the person at all, and are very far off. This one is not. If we are quibbling about the nose tips of the Doe vs. JG I'd say that's pretty close. If she is not JG I will eat my hat.

I LOL'ed at this -- thanks for making my morning commute a little easier ;)
 
  • #388
I've got bad news for all you children -- those glasses were high style in the late '80s. Pretty dated by 1996, though.
 
  • #389
I've got bad news for all you children -- those glasses were high style in the late '80s. Pretty dated by 1996, though.

I have to agree, carbuff! Any female who wore glasses during the 80s had that style. I think my SIL even wore hers until a few years ago because her Rx hadn't changed and she never wore them out of the house.
 
  • #390
I cant specify what religions don't do the DNRs ht I have read that Christians are often against it. Not speaking for everyone. Just what I read on Google. I DO know that Jehovah's Witnesses are totally against blood transfusions. I was asked if I was a Jehovah's Witness last year when I went in for surgery. I was confused as to why and the surgeon explained that if I happened to hemmorage (sp) he needed to know if my religious beliefs permitted blood trandfusions.

You made an interesting point that caused me to wonder if she may have belonged to a denomination whose practices might be less well known. I'm not sure if any of the more mainstream Christian denominations would be against resuscitation. I am Baptist and we don't have a problem with it, at least I've never heard anyone speak out against it and I've been in the church my whole life. For instance, I've known many church members who arrived at hospitals in cardiac arrest or diabetic coma, their heart stops, and they are revived and are very thankful for it. We believe in doing what you can to save a life as long as it does not prolong suffering, such as a a case where resuscitation would only postpone death and lead to a long and painful death. My mom, although Christian, had a DNR order because she was terminally ill with cancer. Doing CPR would be of no benefit to her if her heart stopped because it would only prolong her pain and suffering. I have heard about Jehovah's Witnesses and blood transfusions, also organ donation I believe, and I have heard that Seventh Day Adventists hold the same beliefs. I have also heard that Christian Scientists don't believe in medical intervention. Someone who knows more about the study of religion could better answer our questions. I wouldn't want to say something wrong and offend anyone because that definitely isn't my intent. If our UID had a faith, just judging by appearance alone, I would guess either Christian or Jewish. I would seriously doubt Hindu or Muslim for instance.

On another note, my mom specifically listed on her living will that she was not to be autopsied. It was her personal belief that an autopsy violated the body and was a mutilation and she had a great fear of somebody cutting her up after death. It had nothing to do with any religious belief, it was just something she personally hated the thought of. She kept making me promise I would not allow it, although there is no need for an autopsy when you are known to have died a natural death like hers. I wouldn't be keen on the idea either, just out of respect for the body. Maybe our UID just didn't want herself mutilated after death. Unless a death is suspicious, or is unattended without an obvious cause, autopsy is not required so far as I know. Probably LE thought at the time that it was an unnecessary procedure and expense.
 
  • #391
I LOL'ed at this -- thanks for making my morning commute a little easier ;)

Please don't read or text while driving or we may be trying to identify YOU.
I am picking which hat to eat and what spices to use in case she is NOT JG, but I think this is one of the best visual matches on here. I honestly think it's her.

I guess any hat would do except a porkpie, as I am vegetarian.
 
  • #392
You made an interesting point that caused me to wonder if she may have belonged to a denomination whose practices might be less well known. I'm not sure if any of the more mainstream Christian denominations would be against resuscitation. I am Baptist and we don't have a problem with it, at least I've never heard anyone speak out against it and I've been in the church my whole life. For instance, I've known many church members who arrived at hospitals in cardiac arrest or diabetic coma, their heart stops, and they are revived and are very thankful for it. We believe in doing what you can to save a life as long as it does not prolong suffering, such as a a case where resuscitation would only postpone death and lead to a long and painful death. My mom, although Christian, had a DNR order because she was terminally ill with cancer. Doing CPR would be of no benefit to her if her heart stopped because it would only prolong her pain and suffering. I have heard about Jehovah's Witnesses and blood transfusions, also organ donation I believe, and I have heard that Seventh Day Adventists hold the same beliefs. I have also heard that Christian Scientists don't believe in medical intervention. Someone who knows more about the study of religion could better answer our questions. I wouldn't want to say something wrong and offend anyone because that definitely isn't my intent. If our UID had a faith, just judging by appearance alone, I would guess either Christian or Jewish. I would seriously doubt Hindu or Muslim for instance.

On another note, my mom specifically listed on her living will that she was not to be autopsied. It was her personal belief that an autopsy violated the body and was a mutilation and she had a great fear of somebody cutting her up after death. It had nothing to do with any religious belief, it was just something she personally hated the thought of. She kept making me promise I would not allow it, although there is no need for an autopsy when you are known to have died a natural death like hers. I wouldn't be keen on the idea either, just out of respect for the body. Maybe our UID just didn't want herself mutilated after death. Unless a death is suspicious, or is unattended without an obvious cause, autopsy is not required so far as I know. Probably LE thought at the time that it was an unnecessary procedure and expense.
I can't imagine a religion that prohibits resuscitation, but suicide is OK? Sadly, I think probably she just wanted to make sure she was gone. Many people don't like the idea of being autopsied, even though logically you won't care at that point. One thing we can never truly know is her thoughts.
 
  • #393
You made an interesting point that caused me to wonder if she may have belonged to a denomination whose practices might be less well known. I'm not sure if any of the more mainstream Christian denominations would be against resuscitation. I am Baptist and we don't have a problem with it, at least I've never heard anyone speak out against it and I've been in the church my whole life. For instance, I've known many church members who arrived at hospitals in cardiac arrest or diabetic coma, their heart stops, and they are revived and are very thankful for it. We believe in doing what you can to save a life as long as it does not prolong suffering, such as a a case where resuscitation would only postpone death and lead to a long and painful death. My mom, although Christian, had a DNR order because she was terminally ill with cancer. Doing CPR would be of no benefit to her if her heart stopped because it would only prolong her pain and suffering. I have heard about Jehovah's Witnesses and blood transfusions, also organ donation I believe, and I have heard that Seventh Day Adventists hold the same beliefs. I have also heard that Christian Scientists don't believe in medical intervention. Someone who knows more about the study of religion could better answer our questions. I wouldn't want to say something wrong and offend anyone because that definitely isn't my intent. If our UID had a faith, just judging by appearance alone, I would guess either Christian or Jewish. I would seriously doubt Hindu or Muslim for instance.

On another note, my mom specifically listed on her living will that she was not to be autopsied. It was her personal belief that an autopsy violated the body and was a mutilation and she had a great fear of somebody cutting her up after death. It had nothing to do with any religious belief, it was just something she personally hated the thought of. She kept making me promise I would not allow it, although there is no need for an autopsy when you are known to have died a natural death like hers. I wouldn't be keen on the idea either, just out of respect for the body. Maybe our UID just didn't want herself mutilated after death. Unless a death is suspicious, or is unattended without an obvious cause, autopsy is not required so far as I know. Probably LE thought at the time that it was an unnecessary procedure and expense.

FWIW- grew up Christian Scientist and the vast VAST majority get medical care. It is widely accepted in the church and even talked about that we can and should get medical care. We even had some medical docs in our various congregations. It is only a very small percentage that refuse/don't believe in medical care. We call those fanatics.
 
  • #394
The lieutenant who is the head of cold case replied that he doesn't know much about the glasses. But, he has passed all our theories on to the detective on the case and that person will reach out to their contacts in TX to get DNA compared.
 
  • #395
:banghead:
Please don't read or text while driving or we may be trying to identify YOU.
I am picking which hat to eat and what spices to use in case she is NOT JG, but I think this is one of the best visual matches on here. I honestly think it's her.

I guess any hat would do except a porkpie, as I am vegetarian.


I was stuck in gridlock ;P
 
  • #396
I've got bad news for all you children -- those glasses were high style in the late '80s. Pretty dated by 1996, though.

Lord have mercy! The 80's version of horn rims?!
 
  • #397
You made an interesting point that caused me to wonder if she may have belonged to a denomination whose practices might be less well known. I'm not sure if any of the more mainstream Christian denominations would be against resuscitation. I am Baptist and we don't have a problem with it, at least I've never heard anyone speak out against it and I've been in the church my whole life. For instance, I've known many church members who arrived at hospitals in cardiac arrest or diabetic coma, their heart stops, and they are revived and are very thankful for it. We believe in doing what you can to save a life as long as it does not prolong suffering, such as a a case where resuscitation would only postpone death and lead to a long and painful death. My mom, although Christian, had a DNR order because she was terminally ill with cancer. Doing CPR would be of no benefit to her if her heart stopped because it would only prolong her pain and suffering. I have heard about Jehovah's Witnesses and blood transfusions, also organ donation I believe, and I have heard that Seventh Day Adventists hold the same beliefs. I have also heard that Christian Scientists don't believe in medical intervention. Someone who knows more about the study of religion could better answer our questions. I wouldn't want to say something wrong and offend anyone because that definitely isn't my intent. If our UID had a faith, just judging by appearance alone, I would guess either Christian or Jewish. I would seriously doubt Hindu or Muslim for instance.

On another note, my mom specifically listed on her living will that she was not to be autopsied. It was her personal belief that an autopsy violated the body and was a mutilation and she had a great fear of somebody cutting her up after death. It had nothing to do with any religious belief, it was just something she personally hated the thought of. She kept making me promise I would not allow it, although there is no need for an autopsy when you are known to have died a natural death like hers. I wouldn't be keen on the idea either, just out of respect for the body. Maybe our UID just didn't want herself mutilated after death. Unless a death is suspicious, or is unattended without an obvious cause, autopsy is not required so far as I know. Probably LE thought at the time that it was an unnecessary procedure and expense.

From the "Encyclopedia of Death and Dying". I didn't know this.....
"The Bahá'í faith, most nonfundamentalist Protestants, Catholics, Buddhists, and Sikhs permit autopsies. Jews permit them only to save another life, such as to exonerate an accused murderer. Muslims, Shintos, the Greek Orthodox Church, and Zoroastrians forbid autopsies except those required by law. Rastafarians and Hindus find autopsies extremely distasteful."
 
  • #398
Thanks for the info on which religions prohibit autopsies, and please overlook if I have mentioned any beliefs which are not current, I was going by some things I read in books about which ones did/did not allow resuscitation or autopsies. I would not want an autopsy, just on personal preference, regardless of any beliefs I hold. I'm sure many folks, and perhaps our UID, feel the same.
 
  • #399
Okay well then the only possibility from the aforementioned list would be Jewish. But I honestly think she said "no autopsy" for a reason other than religion. Maybe terminal illness. Or maybe she just didn't want to be identified, who knows.
 
  • #400
Regarding the glasses, Deidre Barlow was a famous soap character in the UK in the 80s. Her glasses were famous and of their time, try a google of "deirdre barlow glasses"

I pray that this lady is IDed, I have always had a strong feeling that she was a nurse, dunno why...?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
149
Guests online
1,351
Total visitors
1,500

Forum statistics

Threads
632,296
Messages
18,624,428
Members
243,077
Latest member
someoneidk
Back
Top