VA VA - Codi Bigsby, 4, last seen at dad's home, Cory Bigsby (dad) named as POI, Hampton, 31 Jan 2022

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  • #641
Does it make a difference if you were honorably discharged on full disability?
I have 30% disability which means a portion of my military retirement pay is not taxed. He may have SSDI (which I also have) and that is how I make ends meet....no way can I do it on retirement alone.
 
  • #642
But being cooperative for four straight days and nights, never once leaving the station?? No way. There’s no way, in my opinion, that any person is going to just be all “I’m good, I’ll just camp out here, in this police station, for four days and nights answering all your questions voluntarily while my other children are where?” This is unheard of. Most people tap out at 7 hours not four days and four nights in a police station. Something is off here, and LE best have solid cctv of those entire four days and best hope he’s on video saying “nah, Imma stay.” Otherwise, the whole case gets tossed. IMO.
But WHERE IS CODI? This should be the focus. The whole thing about LE violating his rights- “Did they?Didn’t they?” is just a diversion tactic in my opinion to keep focus off the fact that THERE IS A MISSING 4 year old boy!!!!

Where is Codi? Codi, Codi, Codi Codi. If Cory wants to sue the police department at a later date, he’s welcome. Personally I think Cory is lying. But let’s find the boy.

MOO
 
  • #643
Yeah - I'm more concerned about where Codi is, than whether his Dad was read his Miranda Rights.
I’m sure he was when they arrested him!
 
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  • #645
If he can afford Harris Teeter & Starbuck's and all those kids and a new house and car.- hmm....I am retired military after 20 years, one rank below his and I can't live on my retirement pay alone as a single person, it barely pays my rent (mortgage when I owned a house)

If he had custody of 4 children then his income received a boost with the government Covid stimulus payments made in 2020/2021 and the early Child tax credit payments from July 2021 thru December 2021.
In April 2020 he would have received $1200 for himself and $1200 for each of his 4 dependents = $6,000
In Dec 2020 or Jan 2021, he would have received $600 for himself and $600 each dependent = $3,000
In March 2021, he would have received $1,400 for himself and $1,400 each dependent = $7,000
for a total of $16,000 added to his income between April 2020 and March 2021

Add to this the early Child Tax credit payments that were sent out from July 2021 - Dec. 2021
$300 per child under 5 years old = an extra $1,500 a month for 5 months = $7,500

Depending on his disability status he could also be receiving Social Security Disability benefits
 
  • #646
If he had custody of 4 children then his income received a boost with the government Covid stimulus payments made in 2020/2021 and the early Child tax credit payments from July 2021 thru December 2021.
In April 2020 he would have received $1200 for himself and $1200 for each of his 4 dependents = $6,000
In Dec 2020 or Jan 2021, he would have received $600 for himself and $600 each dependent = $3,000
In March 2021, he would have received $1,400 for himself and $1,400 each dependent = $7,000
for a total of $16,000 added to his income between April 2020 and March 2021

Add to this the early Child Tax credit payments that were sent out from July 2021 - Dec. 2021
$300 per child under 5 years old = an extra $1,500 a month for 5 months = $7,500

Depending on his disability status he could also be receiving Social Security Disability benefits

Good catch. That's a lot of $$ coming in suddenly.
 
  • #647
Bigsby's family hired attorney Jeffrey Ambrose to represent him after the police division said he was considered a "person of interest" in Codi's case. The police division said Cory Bigsby's story hadn't been matching up with the evidence they were collecting related to Codi's disappearance.

Ambrose said he went to speak with Bigsby before the arrest on Thursday and had been turned away by police officers. He said they didn't let him in because his client was supposedly there voluntarily.
Cory Bigsby wasn't at Hampton Police station by choice: lawyer | 13newsnow.com
Mr. Ambrose, your client, until Cory Bigsby met with you and agreed to let you represent him, was Tandaleyia Butler. Cory is now your client, but at the time you requested to see him, he was not, his sister was. MOO IMO
 
  • #648
If he can afford Harris Teeter & Starbuck's and all those kids and a new house and car.- hmm....I am retired military after 20 years, one rank below his and I can't live on my retirement pay alone as a single person, it barely pays my rent (mortgage when I owned a house)
Disability pays at a higher amount, he also receives an additional stipend for each child. He may have received housing rental stipend under section 8, he qualified for HUD housing loan, possible food stamps for the children, and he is located near the military commissary/medical care. The assistance is almost limitless with 4 dependents.

Eastern Shore Virginia attracts retired military. Offers affordable housing, military/VA medical facility, commissary, most businesses offer military discounts, and an excellent seaside climate. Moo....the best dang oysters and Chesapeake Crab you ever tasted.
Moo
 
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  • #649
Rhoda, the local SM reporter ask the COP at the presser specifically if Harris Teeter and Starbucks were searched?
He responded, we go where the investigation leads us.

(SM: employees reporting CB was seen and reported to authorities)
Moo...
Hmmm I don't believe it was an employee more like a customer. Moo
 
  • #650
At the presser the Chief stated data did not match his story.

All just a wild guess...

I think they made the father feel apart of the investigation, initially. Maybe bonded with some of the military LE., shared a meal, chatted between questioning. Just the good ole boys. May have said .... hey, hang out here while the apartments processed we can help ya with the kids, probably brought in food, and we're bringing in your wife, hang around see what she knows or we got a lead hang around see what we find out.

As time goes, FBI forensics/phone/GPS data trickles in and does not match when and where the dad had traveled, maybe video of him without the children.

The friendly integrators/profilers now present dad with data contradictory to his "story". Dad faced with the choice to speak and clarity or refuse. I feel the dad may have feel like LE was on his side and they could help him if he fessed up.

I don't believe he was taken to the police station and left in a room for hours. Nope, dad would have ask to leave or for an attorney.

FBI profilers/integrators are highly trained in gaining the confidence in an investigation, they bond, befriend them.

Moo... an a retired neighbor former detective/Richmond ..oh the tales he tells
 
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If he can afford Harris Teeter & Starbuck's and all those kids and a new house and car.- hmm....I am retired military after 20 years, one rank below his and I can't live on my retirement pay alone as a single person, it barely pays my rent (mortgage when I owned a house)
To add to it we don't know all the facts. I don't recall if an early retirement was available from the Army in 2017 and an early retirement has a penalty before leaving with 20 years of service absent a disability. We don't know if this was with 20 years service. And if he was married and divorced there is the ex-spouse's part in that retirement pay.
 
  • #653
At the presser the Chief stated data did not match his story.

All just a wild guess...

I think they made the father feel apart of the investigation, initially. Maybe bonded with some of the military LE., shared a meal, chatted between questioning. Just the good ole boys. May have said .... hey, hang out here while the apartments processed we can help ya with the kids, probably brought in food, and we're bringing in your wife, hang around see what she knows or we got a lead hang around see what we find out.

As time goes, FBI forensics/phone/GPS data trickles in and does not match when and where the dad had traveled, maybe video of him without the children.

The friendly integrators/profilers now present dad with data contradictory to his "story". Dad faced with the choice to speak and clarity or refuse. I feel the dad may have feel like LE was on his side and they could help him if he fessed up.

I don't believe he was taken to the police station and left in a room for hours. Nope, dad would have ask to leave or for an attorney.

FBI profilers/integrators are highly trained in gaining the confidence in an investigation, they bond, befriend them.

Moo... an a retired neighbor former detective/Richmond ..oh the tales he tells
I understand the tales. My son is retired lieutenant from Dallas PD.
 
  • #654
When Bigsby was charged with neglect and arrested, I wondered where the neglect charges stemmed from. Those allegations had not been mentioned or even hinted at by LE prior to arrest. Now we find out it was Cori Bigsby who told LE about leaving the children alone. Did he want to be arrested?
All the information except when he told LE is in the arrest warrant. It stated the father said... the dates and the number of child left home.

As for LE mentioning when, LE repeatedly, said dads story didn't match forensic and data collected. LE clearly had enough for judge to issue the warrant.

We will have more detail and evidence when it goes to trial.

Imo
 
  • #655
I've not seen any information or media the father was in custody on or since Monday. LE repeatedly at ever presser said he was their voluntary.

Please, can you provide a link, information supporting documents other than a SM local who has started this accusation by yelling and tried to detail the press conference.

Thank you.
agreed, voluntary or in custody, that is the distinction. They played him while he thought he was running game on them. They just played the game better. He was there voluntarily until they charged him.

He wasn't in custody simply because he got outplayed and now regrets not walking out of there when he had every right to. Until I see any evidence except the word of a suspected abuser and admitted neglector and his just retained mouthpiece he was not in custody until he was arrested and charged.
 
  • #656
Bigsby's family hired attorney Jeffrey Ambrose to represent him after the police division said he was considered a "person of interest" in Codi's case. The police division said Cory Bigsby's story hadn't been matching up with the evidence they were collecting related to Codi's disappearance.

Ambrose said he went to speak with Bigsby before the arrest on Thursday and had been turned away by police officers. He said they didn't let him in because his client was supposedly there voluntarily.
Cory Bigsby wasn't at Hampton Police station by choice: lawyer | 13newsnow.com
Mr. Ambrose, your client, until Cory Bigsby met with you and agreed to let you represent him, was Tandaleyia Butler. Cory is now your client, but at the time you requested to see him, he was not, his sister was. MOO IMO
Did anyone follow Ariel's case in Hawaii? Did something similar happen to Codi? I wonder if LE has been able to interview the five-year old sibling? Missing girl's sister tells police of dog cage, father's ruse

Focusing on potentially what isn't matching up - what type of evidence are they collecting and how does contradict the story Cory told?
  • Real Estate agent said Cory never wanted to meet in person, however she did meet with him in November. Cory only had one child with him, she believes it was Codi. Is this the last independent sighting of him?
  • What types of things specific to Codi could be missing in the house? His bed, clothing? Was there a Dr. Appointment that everyone but Codi went too?
  • What about Christmas? Did anyone see him over the holidays?
 
  • #657
Better late than never I hope....Some of it may be a repeat as @tlcya :) did manage to catch quite a few of the questions.

Press conference 4th February.

Chief - This is easily one the the most comprehensive investigations that I've been a part of and it will continue to be. We would just like to remind everybody that we are all assembled her on behalf of 4 year old Codi Bigsby.
Codi Bigsby was reported missing by his father on January, 31st at about 9 o'clock in the morning. Mr. Cory Bigsby who is 43 year old male called 911 and reported that his 4 year old son Codi was missing. Mr. Bigsby reported that his son was missing from his home on Drive here in the city of Hampton. The Hampton police division responded, including our patrol division and our detective bureau as well. We immediately began searching inside and outside of the residence. Following our search of the residence and search of the surrounding area, we immediately contacted our partner agencies and deployed as many resources as we possibly could on that 1st day. That has continued up until today. While we were searching Mr. Bigsby and his children were transported to our Detective Bureau to help us with the investigation. Mr. Bigsby ulitmately through the investigation that we conducted was arrested and charged with 7 counts of felony child neglect. This was based on his report of leaving his children home alone. He reported that he left home alone his 5 year old, his 4 year old and his 2 year old twins. This was reported to have occured on numerous occasions. He reported that it was too much of a burden to bring his kids along with him. Our investigation is not over, it will not end with that arrest. In fact in some ways our investigation is going to start and become more intense now. Our partners in particular, our partners with the FBI have provided us with an extensive amount of forensic data for us to review and process and follow up on. That will take an extended period of time. We have many interviews to conduct. We still have areas to search and we have many leads to follow. We will not stop here with this arrest. With that, do you have any questions?

Reporter - I'm trying to find out, can you say when the last time that Codi...when was the last time Codi was actually seen by someone outside of his father or his family? And I say that in part because the court records indicate that on January 25th...well one of the charges pertain to leaving him alone on January 25th. I don't know if there's evidence that outside of the father for....you know, what is the evidence that you have....When was the last time he was last see I guess....?

Chief - I obviously won't speak to the evidence that we have specifically. We are still investigating the last time that Codi was seen alive and well by anyone. So if there's anybody out there that might be able to help us with that, we would like to know. The charges that speak to the events that occurred on January 25th are based on what we've done up until this point in the investigation.

Reporter - On being that there was no Amber Alert issued would Hampton Police Dept. be willing to stand behind the 'Codi Alert' that would alert citizens in a local area of kids gone missing, even if it just starts locally and expands from there. Would the Hampton Police Dept. support something like that?

Chief - I'd like to continue to focus on Codi Bigsby as the primary focus right now. At some point moving forward I think they'll be a lot of time to evaluate whether or not we do the right thing to keep all kids safe. I will say, Amber Alert is a great tool, it was created in 1996. In 2022 we're all connected. I don't think that we had any difficulty getting the word out about this missing child and to this day we're not having any difficulty with that.

Reporter - Chief one of the biggest questions that people are having in the community is "where is Codi's mother?", "is she being questioned?" What can you tell us to kind of put some of these questions that folks have to bed as to why she's not here scouring and searching for her son as well?

Chief - I appreciate everybody who's concerned and has those types of questions. I think we should all have questions when a 4 year old child goes missing. We know where his mother is, we've spoken to her and she has answered our questions.

Reporter - Is there someone else that could be involved in the disappearance of Codi that you're looking into, that maybe worked with him? Is that a possibility that you're looking into?

Chief - We've found no evidence to support someone else is involved.

Reporter - Chief I just have a quick question. Are you guys looking outside of the State of Virginia? Maybe some areas..... or are you focused just on Virginia?

Chief - Certainly we're interested in any information that would lead someone to believe he's outside of the City of Hampton or the State of Virginia. We're certainly interested in that. Again we have no information or facts or reasonable belief that that's the case.

Reporter - Chief is it still your belief that Codi Bigsby can be found alive? Do you still believe that 5 days after he was reported missing?

Chief - I will tell you that we are continuing to search and hope that we can bring Codi Bigsby home. With each day that passes we become more and more concerned and we lose a little bit more hope. Obviously the longer we go the more tragic it feels.

? Reporter - Chief. Is there any reason ya'll was doing searches at Harris Teeter's today and Starbucks and what about the (inaudible)?

Chief - Yes. Where we search we have a reason to search.

Reporter - Chief, is there any evidence that you found that CPS has intervened in Codi Bigsby's family, or followed up, like I know that there's a......

Chief - It would be inappropriate for me to answer that question.

Reporter - Why would LE only allow 50 citizens a day to assist and will that be a regular practice and not let more of the community assist, because there were hundreds of people that wanted to help and they were turned away from helping. So is that going to be a regular occurrence for folks missing if a four year old goes missing, there's only 50 citizens allowed to assist?

Chief - We encourage the public's participation. We had a tremendous amount and we continue to get a tremendous amount of support from the public. We ask for a specific number of citizens to help us on a particular day. We didn't want to extend our resources beyond what we could handle. The public is always welcome to go out, check their yards, check their trashcans, check areas that they may know. Re-check what you know that we did. We are certainly not sitting in some space where we want to prevent people from helping, but we got a significant amount of public support which we appreciate.

Reporter - Chief, is Cory Bigsby still co-operating and answering your questions at this time?

Chief - He is in a jail cell right now.

? Reporter - Chief, why was it so hard yesterday for his lawyer to get into the jail and speak with his...with the father. Why was the lawyer denied access yesterday to speak to his client?

Chief - Thank you. Mr. Bigsby is a 43 year old man who's had a full career in the Army. He retired from a position of authority, he seems to be quite intelligent, he seems to be quite capable and part of his capabilities seems to be understanding his rights. At no time did he request to see an Attorney. Had he made such a request, we would have honoured that request.

Reporter - Do you know that the children have like a regular babysitter? Who were they in contact with? Where are the other kids now?

Chief - We are not aware of a babysitter.

Reporter - Where are the other children?

Chief - They're safe and thriving.

Reporter - A few days ago you said abduction was just not what the evidence was pointing to. An abduction usually is some kind of violent act. Is there a chance he was handed off to a family member and a family member took that? Or would you put that under the umbrella of abduction?

Chief - There is no evidence that he was handed off to a family member. I will say I've known a few 4 year olds in my life, I don't know any who decide at any hour of the morning, when it's dark to leave their home. I don't know any that do that. I don't believe that that's what happened this time either.

? Reporter - Allegedly they say he was not here....y'all said on news multiple times he was here voluntarily. It's alleged he was not here voluntarily. Who would stay her for 4 days and their child missing? Was he held against his will, or in custody?

Chief - Next question please.

? Reporter - So that's a yes or no?

Reporter - Was he held against his will?

Chief - I think I answered.....

? Reporter - You didn't answer.

Chief - I'll repeat my response.....I'll repeat my response from earlier. Mr. Bigsby is a 43 year old man with a full career in the United States Army.....

? Reporter - Question again Chief - Was he here voluntarily or was he held here?

Chief - I'm going to finish my response miss.

? Reporter - Was he here voluntarily? It's a yes or no answer sir.

Chief - He is a capable man who had every opportunity....

? Reporter - You still haven't answered the question.

Chief - ....to ask for an attorney. He did not make such a request.

? Reporter - That was not the question.

Chief - If he would have made that request we would have honoured it.

? Reporter - That was not the question.

Reporter - We have his family here, can we here from them, can we hear from his family?

Chief - Next question please?

(lot's of people talking in background at this point)
Someone in the background said "he asked to leave and he asked for an attorney"

Reporter - Would these charges of neglect against Mr. Bigsby, would they have come about had this sweet little boy not gone missing?

Chief - I cannot answer that question. That would be speculation.

Reporter - When it comes to the search over the next few days. Is anybody pulling out resources or it's still going full force? Do we have enough resources to keep going full force?

Chief - We will continue to investigate all the leads that we have available and search the areas where we need to search.

Reporter - All agencies still helping if they can?

Chief - Yes, the agencies that have been helping have agreed to continue to help.

Reporter - Chief do you have a reason to believe that Codi Bigsby is alive?

Chief - Each day it becomes harder and harder to believe that Codi Bigsby is alive and well.

Reporter - Chief can you say when the last time his mother spoke to Codi?

Chief - No I cannot say.

Reporter - Do you know when the last time was?

Chief - I do not know.

Reporter - Has she been asked that question?

Chief - It would be inappropriate for me to answer that question.

Reporter - Chief I don't know if you can answer this...so when Cory contacted you all that his son was missing had he returned from one of these situations where he had left the children home and came home and Codi was missing or can you not comment on that?

Chief - I'm not going to comment on that.

Reporter - Chief for the record, some people regardless of their educational background.....still are not aware that they have the right to an attorney. So that being said, did he at any time or was he notified that he could have an attorney? Or if someone's family hires a lawyer to go see their client, isn't it permissible for the attorney to go see that person or that person......

Chief - Mr.....Sir, again for everybody, I'm here for a four year old child. I'm here for a four year old child. His father was made aware of his rights. His father was absolutely made aware of his rights. We will continue to do everything possible to find his son or his child that is permissible and appropriate. We have never taken a step that was impermissible or inappropriate.

Reporter - Chief can I ask you know a few days ago in a press conference you said you do not believe that Codi may have not gone missing when the 2 am time that was originally put out - can you say with confidence now that is not when he went missing?

Chief - What I said is that the facts that we had didn't match up with what we were being told in a number of cases. So we simply need to investigate more to determine when exactly he went missing.

? Reporter - Chief for the record - We are all here for the child, but we all are here also to make sure y'all don't lose the laws that has been constituted so that everybody is....required to have a fair trial. And if we're supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until we prove our innocence.

Chief - Thank you.

Reporter - Chief do you feel like there's a disconnect between the community, law enforcement and city officials, just because the citizens still haven't heard anything from the Mayor, we still haven't heard anything from city council and you're the Chief of Police and the City Manager. These are the people the city looks up to and a lot of the community feels like there wasn't as much of a sense of urgency for this 4 year old you keep mentioning as there should be. We feel if there was a stronger local leadership this would have been on CNN, FOX News and every other outlet to try to find this 4 year old that we have been tirelessly searching for, for the last 4 days voluntarily. So do you feel if there is a disconnect between Law Enforcement, city officials and the community?

Chief - No, no. We've been supported completely. We've been supported by the Mayor, the City Manager, the Assistant City Manager, by other agencies, Fire Chief is standing up here with us. We've had a significant amount of support. I am the Police Chief, this is my responsibility to lead this investigation. I've had everything that I've need to lead this investigation. There is no disconnect. I will take one more question.

Reporter - You've asked for the public's help in putting together a timeline of the last days before Codi was last seen. Has that been helpful, have you been able to put together a timeline of his father's whereabouts and what he was doing?

Chief - We have a timeline that we're working on that still needs work. It's a work in progress.

Thank you so much.
 
  • #658
FEB 5, 2022
‘We will not stop’: Search continues for Codi Bigsby; father charged with child neglect (msn.com)
[...]

Shortly after Cory Bigsby reported his child missing Monday from the neighborhood off Old Buckroe Road, he was taken to Hampton police headquarters for questioning. He remained there continuously — and police say voluntarily — until his arrest more than three days later.

[...]

Ambrose contended it was improper that police wouldn’t let him speak with his client. “Not to let anybody check is problematic,” he said.

At least two community members pressed Talbot about that issue at Friday’s news conference, with the Hampton chief responding that Bigsby did not ask for a lawyer during the time at police headquarters. Police have previously said he was there voluntarily until his arrest Thursday.

[...]

Bigsby was “absolutely made aware of his rights,” including his right to talk to an attorney, Talbot said. “Had he made such a request, we would have honored it.”

While at police headquarters, Bigsby was given a cot, a blanket and a pillow and had access to food, water and a shower, a local law enforcement source said.

But Ambrose said he spoke to Bigsby Friday afternoon at the Hampton City Jail, with Bigsby telling him that police wouldn’t let him talk to a lawyer.

“He advised me that he requested an attorney, that he requested not to answer any further questions, and that those requests were not honored,” Ambrose said. “He told me he was asking, ‘Can I go? I’d like to go home,’ and they were telling him no.”

Ambrose said he will be requesting the video footage of the interrogations.

[...]
 
  • #659
@Allabouttrial thank you so much, I caught what I could between phone calls but yours is complete and you caught way more of the stuff I was struggling with even through replays. you rock!
 
  • #660
When Bigsby was charged with neglect and arrested, I wondered where the neglect charges stemmed from. Those allegations had not been mentioned or even hinted at by LE prior to arrest. Now we find out it was Cori Bigsby who told LE about leaving the children alone. Did he want to be arrested?
I've seen that time and time again. Someone who is guilty will confess lesser crimes in order to appear honest/innocent. Barry Morphew told LE he tranquilizes deer and cuts their horns off which is illegal - when it's really thought he possibly shot his wife with a dart and later killed her. He also talked to LE excessively in an attempt to convince them he was innocent.
 
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