VA - Couple & two teens found murdered, Farmville, 15 Sept 2009 #1

[Soulmagent]

http://www2.newsadvance.com/lna/new...mom_daughter_had_counseling_over_music/19783/

Heres one on the calling in of an occult expert they speak as if when the police got there that they had stepped into a slaughter house, so I guess things are pretty bad.
http://www.nbc12.com/Global/story.asp?S=11213232
More about the strange symbols...
http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/local_...ach_occult_expert_heads_to_farmville_20090924

You think they brought in the occult expert to decide if this is a hate crime due to his interest in the occult and taste in music and the victims being a preachers family?

 

[deita]

I know of at least 4 MS pages. Most are deleted now and even the google cached version is gone on the Syko Sam page.

still available

myspace.com/samissyko bing.com cached version, indexed on 08/04/2009

myspace.com/lildemondog_wir bing.com cached version, indexed on 06/06/2009

myspace.com/lildemondog bing.com cached version, indexed on 09/03/2009

myspace.com/samakalemon google cached version, indexed on 07/20/2009

 

[Heroine]

I'm pretty sure the thing about them breaking up that night is true because I ahve gone through tons of video footage from that night and I see Emma and Mel in almost everyone of them for a long period of time in most and I have yet to see Sam. Once I think I saw him but can't be sure, when I did he was on the other side of the room as Emma.

 

[deita]

found archived version of sam's first (?) web page on web.archive.org, due to his site specific design not very well archived. just to add some more details about sam

Hatchet Designs had two staff members but i fired one recently becuase lack of participation.I plan on getting more staff members soon I suppose but im not sure but I started Hatchet Designs somewhere in Dec 03. We finally got the domain and thats what we were waiting for so now we are open. Hatchet Designs is a small company that has cheap and good Hosting and we Design layouts that are cheap and good, you can view our work by clicking Portfolio. (see Aug 13, 2006 archived page), on portfolio page theres only one site.

hatchetdesigns.com was active until ~oct 2006, thereafter site remained online for a couple of months with Martin Luther King qoute If A Man Hasn't Discovered Something He Will Die For, He Isn't Fit To Live on index page

 

[deita]

I'm pretty sure the thing about them breaking up that night is true because I ahve gone through tons of video footage from that night and I see Emma and Mel in almost everyone of them for a long period of time in most and I have yet to see Sam. Once I think I saw him but can't be sure, when I did he was on the other side of the room as Emma.

from sftw i've found only this pic with sam so far...

 

[Kano]

Reading too much in to what? you mean its about like saying lol as in laugh out loud? Be more specific please? I am very fond of how kids type, I must be missing what you're saying. I tend to be a bit of an internet junkie myself and any and all forums or threads I've run across anytime you see words capitalized within a sentence it means to add emphasis or you're down right screaming. I'm pretty up to par on my internet lingo.

Just the way she types and talks in general, ive seen a 100 girls do the same thing on the net, and yes on the caps to add emphasis, but i dont think in a screaming sence.. Just like saying "soooo...." I would add much up from the posts i have seen from her so far, except maybe the one to the guy.. Could have added into it but her words, i dont think anything hidden there..

 

[deita]

Some Of The Farmville Murder Victims May Have Been Killed As They Slept

RICHMOND - A source with knowledge of the Farmville murders investigation has divulged new details about how the killings took place.

There is a chance that at least some of the female victims may have been bludgeoned in their sleep, the source said, although only the final autopsy report will be able to confirm that.

The source also said that the lone male victim, Mark Niederbrock, was attacked in a different way than the three female victims. And the source said it does not appear that any of the female victims were sexually assaulted.

Regarding the crime scene, the source said that police did not find any overt evidence that the slayings were ritualistic in nature. CBS 6 had previously confirmed that a former Virginia Beach police detective who is also an expert on occult violence had been contacted by investigators.

Investigators tell CBS 6 that they have not identified a motive in the case, and they say that they have yet to interview McCroskey.

www.wtvr.com

 

[majikposhun]

I apologize if this has already been discussed - but I have limited time right now and can't look through all of the posts.

Has it been mentioned that perhaps Debra Kelley was researching this particular group - perhaps she was doing research on teens in this culture and this may be part of her research without her daughter's knowledge. She was a college professor - she was quite intelligent and researchers do al sorts of things to gather the information required - such as being a part of her daughter’s world and trying to understand what drives a teenager to this interest. She may not be the negligent parent many of us have suspected after all - driving these kids 12 hours to a Horrorcore show could have very well been part of her research project she took the year off to do.

I will further research this and post anything I find. If anyone has any links or information that may connect this thought of mine - please respond to this post. TY!

 

[deita]

I apologize if this has already been discussed - but I have limited time right now and can't look through all of the posts.

Has it been mentioned that perhaps Debra Kelley was researching this particular group - perhaps she was doing research on teens in this culture and this may be part of her research without her daughter's knowledge. She was a college professor - she was quite intelligent and researchers do al sorts of things to gather the information required - such as being a part of her daughter’s world and trying to understand what drives a teenager to this interest. She may not be the negligent parent many of us have suspected after all - driving these kids 12 hours to a Horrorcore show could have very well been part of her research project she took the year off to do.

I will further research this and post anything I find. If anyone has any links or information that may connect this thought of mine - please respond to this post. TY!

according to AP, the mother took her daughter to the concerts to keep an eye on her...

"She's either going to go on her own or I go with her and make sure she's OK," Hodgson, a former police officer and now an associate criminal justice professor at Virginia State University, said of Kelley's reasoning. "She said that she needed to be there for her, and that she was going to grow out of this."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com

 

[Gene]

still available

myspace.com/samissyko bing.com cached version, indexed on 08/04/2009

myspace.com/lildemondog_wir bing.com cached version, indexed on 06/06/2009

myspace.com/lildemondog bing.com cached version, indexed on 09/03/2009

myspace.com/samakalemon google cached version, indexed on 07/20/2009

Here is a fifth MySpace site. This one still works:

http://www.myspace.com/lddsmusicpage

 

[absynthminded1]

Totally makes sense that some or all of the female victims were killed in their sleep, as that would be one of the only ways to control 3 victims without brandishing a weapon. I am shocked that there was supposedly no ritualistic aspect or sexual assault (per this "insider's report), but we all know that this could be inaccurate, as early leaks often are. I am not surprised that the preacher was killed in a different manner, though every report I've read said he was bludgeoned too. (Probably from behind, with separate weapon of opportunity.)

 

[majikposhun]

I apologize if this has already been discussed - but I have limited time right now and can't look through all of the posts.

Has it been mentioned that perhaps Debra Kelley was researching this particular group - perhaps she was doing research on teens in this culture and this may be part of her research without her daughter's knowledge. She was a college professor - she was quite intelligent and researchers do al sorts of things to gather the information required - such as being a part of her daughter’s world and trying to understand what drives a teenager to this interest. She may not be the negligent parent many of us have suspected after all - driving these kids 12 hours to a Horrorcore show could have very well been part of her research project she took the year off to do.

I will further research this and post anything I find. If anyone has any links or information that may connect this thought of mine - please respond to this post. TY!

Ok - I snipped this from an article last week (link):

Hodgson said Kelley had tried to keep tabs on Emma, even installing software on her computer to monitor the Web sites she visited. She had been home-schooling Emma for the past several years because of bullying and discipline issues in middle school, and some of Emma's postings talked about smoking marijuana and drinking alcohol.

Hodgson, who co-wrote a book on sexual violence with Kelley, acknowledged that people might find it strange that someone like Kelley would indulge such a fascination with music that glorifies rape, mutilation and murder. Kelley had been on paid leave this academic year to conduct research and had resigned from the university effective in May, school spokesman Dennis Sercombe said.

Here is the book she wrote on Sexual violence: http://books.google.com/books?id=C-yV1aifhicC&pg=PA245&lpg=PA245&dq=Professor+Debra+Kelley++research&source=bl&ots=SJXqYo_UVx&sig=72PI_r0pskNepnlTPLnh_e1XBZw&hl=en&ei=0f7BStmhMsGV8AbQz5n-CA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4#v=onepage&q=Professor%20Debra%20Kelley%20%20research&f=false

 

[majikposhun]

Below is the text of the abstract of Dr. Kelley's dissertation, titled: "FAMILY VICTIMIZATION: AN APPLICATION OF LIFESTYLE AND ROUTINE ACTIVITY THEORY (HOMICIDE)"

What she basically argued, examined, and found was that being a victim of a crime within a family unit is completely different than being a victim of a random crime. Moreover, the likelihood of being killed by someone in your family is subject to different factors than the likelihood of being killed by a stranger. What's interesting is that she frames her research question using a model of theory that argues that lifestyle choices affect the likelihood of being victimized.

"Research presented within this thesis summarizes the factors associated with family victimization and family homicide. Emphasis is placed on assessing the utility of hypotheses derived from the routine activity and lifestyle theories of criminal victimization to explain the similarities and differences between family violence and criminal violence. Causal models are tested using data from the 1985 National Family Violence Survey for marital violence and the 1978 Zahn and Reidel Homicide in Eight American Cities for family homicide.

Victimization is not distributed randomly across space and time. From the theoretical framework of opportunity models, the components of an individual's lifestyle and the structure of routine activities influence both the likelihood and nature of victimization. The assumptions of this model implicitly consider the relationship of the victim and offender as crucial factors in hypotheses testing. This thesis explores the extent to which patterns of family victimization coincide and diverge from both patterns of victimization in the general population and patterns of stranger victimization.

Logistic regression techniques are used to examine sociodemographic variables, family life variables, social integration factors, offense activity and deviant lifestyle for their effects on marital violence and family homicide. Results of the analyses suggest that among the general population and a sample of homicide victims, hypotheses derived from routine activity and lifestyle theory are generally supported concerning marital victimization and family homicide. Significant differences do emerge when separate analyses are conducted within race and gender specific subgroups for marital violence".

 

[absynthminded1]

The irony here is unbelievable... classic case of, "Do as I say, not as I do," or "Practice what you preach."

 

[forgottencash]

There is a chance that at least some of the female victims may have been bludgeoned in their sleep, the source said, although only the final autopsy report will be able to confirm that.

How does an autopsy confirm that someone was killed in his/her sleep as opposed to being hit over the head as you sit in a chair or walk into a room? Finding a body in the bed with no signs of being moved would seem more informative.

BTW - This story is just screaming for Dr. Phil to get involved.

 

[Gene]

How does an autopsy confirm that someone was killed in his/her sleep as opposed to being hit over the head as you sit in a chair or walk into a room? Finding a body in the bed with no signs of being moved would seem more informative.

BTW - This story is just screaming for Dr. Phil to get involved.

Perhaps if the lethal blow is from the front and they are awake, you would expect defensive wounds (injuries to the hands or arms). If they are asleep, there would be no defensive wounds.

Also the angle of the blow would be different if the person is lying down than if they are standing up. If they are in bed the attacker would probably be standing to the side of the bed and striking staight down. So the blow would be perpendicular to the body. If the victim had been standing up, the attacker is likely to be standing in front or to the back and the blow is likely to be in a different place (top of the head maybe).

Not sure if that is clear or not without drawing a picture. But the main difference would be the angle of the wound, the place of the wound and the presence or absence of defensive wounds.

I am not a CSI investigator, but I am sure it is something like that....

 

[deita]

Perhaps if the lethal blow is from the front and they are awake, you would expect defensive wounds (injuries to the hands or arms). If they are asleep, there would be no defensive wounds.

Also the angle of the blow would be different if the person is lying down than if they are standing up. If they are in bed the attacker would probably be standing to the side of the bed and striking staight down. So the blow would be perpendicular to the body. If the victim had been standing up, the attacker is likely to be standing in front or to the back and the blow is likely to be in a different place (top of the head maybe).

Not sure if that is clear or not without drawing a picture. But the main difference would be the angle of the wound, the place of the wound and the presence or absence of defensive wounds.

I am not a CSI investigator, but I am sure it is something like that....

perhaps blood oxygen saturation levels may differ...

 

[forgottencash]

I agree that there are angles involved, but if the bodies were moved or posed, I can't see complete confirmation that they were murdered in bed by the autopsy. The location of blood may be just as, if not more, telling.

 

[Heroine]

Remember the guy in which I had said that I added to my myspace and acutally found more comments? Well he deleted and blocked me. We must have an informant....haha.... Just yesterday he sent me a comment, of course I didn't reply. But what leads me to believe that we have an informant is the fact that he edited his page and took his phone number down and then deleted and blocked me.
This place should be private.
Oh well I just found this interesting. Although maybe he deleted me because I didn't respond to his comment, because I just noticed he left another comment.

 

[gxm]

I agree that there are angles involved, but if the bodies were moved or posed, I can't see complete confirmation that they were murdered in bed by the autopsy. The location of blood may be just as, if not more, telling.

That makes sense. It's doubtful that Sam washed the bed linens after killing them.

I've always felt that he killed the women in their sleep. One comment he made to the cab driver mentions waiting for Emma to go to sleep. Sam usually keeps some bit of truth in his stories.

"During the cab ride, McCroskey told Gibson that his girlfriend got angry when he confronted her about the message and accused him of invading her privacy. The 20-year-old Californian told Gibson he didn't want to argue with his girlfriend, 16-year-old Emma Niederbrock, so he waited for her to go to sleep early that morning or the night before and then he left the house."

http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/local/crime/article/FARM26_20090925-222606/295597/