VA - Couple & two teens found murdered, Farmville, 15 Sept 2009 #1

[dangrsmind]

Nobody is required to present their CVs to post here. But if anyone wants to present as an expert then Tricia, the site's owner, will need to verify your information first.

Other than that we're all on equal footing here. Posts are evaluated based on the facts and arguments presented in the post, not personal characteristics of the poster. To do so would be argumentum ad hominem in the rhetorical (as opposed to common usage) sense.

That's great and how it should be. I never said I was lawyer and in fact it was your posting that raised this issue which was the ad hominem attack. Even if I am not a lawyer, I might know something about the law. Think about it.

 

[absynthminded1]

I know a lot of people that make music with these tools and almost all of them are self taught as you say. The angle I am thinking about is that if he didn't make his own beats and his rapping clearly sucks, his music might have been discounted by someone tht was an authority figure...

Brushing the beats/effects aspect to the side for a minute, I think we can safely say that Sam had VERY minimal rapping talent. I'll say this comfortably despite the fact that "talent" is always subjective and up for discussion.

I don't care for the creative stylings of SKR and their associates, but I'll acknowledge that some of them have some skill. (at least a considerable amount more than Syko Sam, who I would generously grade out at about a 3.5 on a scale from 1-10.)

At the end of the day a record label is in the business to do business. It's about making money, not making friends happy by doing them favors.

The more I think about it, the more I like this as a motive...... especially when you consider that most people in the know say that Sam and Emma ended things mutually and were on decent enough terms for him to travel back to VA with her.

 

[KindraLore]

Brushing the beats/effects aspect to the side for a minute, I think we can safely say that Sam had VERY minimal rapping talent. I'll say this comfortably despite the fact that "talent" is always subjective and up for discussion.

I don't care for the creative stylings of SKR and their associates, but I'll acknowledge that some of them have some skill. (at least a considerable amount more than Syko Sam, who I would generously grade out at about a 3.5 on a scale from 1-10.)

At the end of the day a record label is in the business to do business. It's about making money, not making friends happy by doing them favors.

The more I think about it, the more I like this as a motive...... especially when you consider that most people in the know say that Sam and Emma ended things mutually and were on decent enough terms for him to travel back to VA with her.

As far as being a motive, what do you mean? That it would make him successful if he actually did what he rapped about? But then what would that matter if he were behind bars for the rest of his life or possibly put to death. The trade off does not seem equal.

The thing that bothers me about all of this is that now we know he waited for them to go to sleep. Therefore, there was no heat of the moment argument where he just flipped. He waited.. and planned. That is scary.

 

[Kano]

You don't know who I am or what I do professionally do you?

And is it speculation or liable? Some of the posters here should be hoping Shrim doesn't have himself a good lawyer yet because they are treading on a very grey area here. Think before you post speculation that harms another person.

As far as the T-word, yes labeling someone as a troll is an easy way to silence them. But it doesn't make what they are saying wrong nor does it make them a troll. If people want to keep bringing up the "music made him do it" theme, I'll keep objecting to it. Why do you want to let this kid off the hook for his actions? It is bordering on ridiculous to hold this position IMO given the known facts in the case and the scientific evidence to the contrary.

Hopefully the conversation can move on to some new information such as Heroine's most recent posting about Shrim's "terrorism" blog, the gematria encryption used in SickTanick's music I mentioned, the PiXy interview, etc. If you have something new to add do it and I'll celebrate your contribution.

I know who you claim to be and what you claim to do, yes.. And no, no one treading on a grey area, if so OJ could sue the world.

And this conversation will move how it will, without you trying to force it, why you think you can come here and make people stop speaking there mind is beyond me.

As for trolling.. Anytime you come to a free and open conversation and attempt to force your way and not let others speak as they wish, you are trolling. Sorry, but i live in a free country, and i dont try to stop anyone from speaking what they think.. I have watched you at this for days now, i think it time to let everyone else have a say..

 

[dangrsmind]

People that put themselves in the public arena have a very high bar to clear to recover for defamation. If you make a post on a public site like Myspace about an event there's very little chance you can later come after someone successfully for their comments.

I'd agree that it is true that there is very little chance that someone can sue you AND prevail in court for an online posting like most of the ones here. But the bar is not very high for filing a suit, even an obviously losing one, and the cost of defending yourself even against the most obviously spurious allegations is high. And in a charged atmosphere such as the one surrounding this case, such actions are more likely than otherwise.

Allegations that Shrim was a cult leader and orchestrated these murders IMO are pretty clearly over the bar for such a suit and do constitute libel. Consider the definition, "to publish in print (including pictures), writing or broadcast through radio, television or film, an untruth about another which will do harm to that person or his/her reputation, by tending to bring the target into ridicule, hatred, scorn or contempt of others."

Feel free to ignore my advice here and get yourself sued.

 

[dangrsmind]

As far as being a motive, what do you mean? That it would make him successful if he actually did what he rapped about? But then what would that matter if he were behind bars for the rest of his life or possibly put to death. The trade off does not seem equal.

The thing that bothers me about all of this is that now we know he waited for them to go to sleep. Therefore, there was no heat of the moment argument where he just flipped. He waited.. and planned. That is scary.

Well, I was thinking more that it might be a contributing factor to his rage about being rejected not that the murders would promote his music. But it is clear that they did have that result whether he intended it or not. Check out how many plays his video has on YouTube now...

 

[absynthminded1]

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[dangrsmind]

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[absynthminded1]

As far as being a motive, what do you mean? That it would make him successful if he actually did what he rapped about? But then what would that matter if he were behind bars for the rest of his life or possibly put to death. The trade off does not seem equal.

The thing that bothers me about all of this is that now we know he waited for them to go to sleep. Therefore, there was no heat of the moment argument where he just flipped. He waited.. and planned. That is scary.

Sam initially stated that he became "Syko Sam," because he wanted to give back to Horrorcore, presumably to repay it for what it had done for him. What did it give to him? Once could argue the most important thing was a sense of belonging; of family.

At some point, he decided that he wanted the respect and adoration that some of the underground's heavy hitters received. He was no longer satisfied with just being LilDemonDog, the web geek behind the scenes. That's the likely scenario for why he even decided to pick up a mic and try his hand at the artistic side.

He gave it his best a churned out some songs and videos, but let's face it, he brought nothing new to the table. His shtick has been done to death in the underground. His lyrics didn't pack the necessary punch and lacked any real substance. I doubt they shocked many people in that scene and inspired even fewer. He most likely became somewhat of a running joke in the Horrorcore inner circle.

Remember, this is a kid who was picked on all of his young life......

Is there really anything much worse than to think you have been accepted as an equal, to have finally found your place, only to have it all cruelly pulled out from under you?????

Suddenly, he is no longer Syko Sam, rather Richard McCroskey, the fat PASSIVE ginger loser..... all of those old insecurities soon begin to creep back into his fragile psyche, but that new persona, Syko Sam, was also still in there... the two couldn't coexist.

Who knows exactly what transpired? We may never know the full truth. Did Emma decide to scrap Sam once he was no longer one of the cool kids? Was the new guy that she was talking to/texting with a Horrorcore performer with a little more "street cred."

I believe that it is a likelihood that Sam realized he couldn't make it as an artist, so he decided that he was going to become infamous, by doing what the rest of them only talked about.... Even better that 2 of his chosen sacrificial lambs were beloved and respected members of the Horrorcore scene that turned on him. Was he really that cold and calculated some may ask? Look no further than his post crime actions and his demeanor once in custody.

Anyway...

The fact that some of the victims were asleep points towards premeditation. This is not to say that he went to Virginia with evil in his heart and murder on his mind. My guess is that there was another argument in VA, which acted as the final trigger, the final straw that broke Sam's history of passivity. Again, we may never know, but I am liking this scenario more and more when I put myself in his shoes.

 

[absynthminded1]

Sorry if I have triple or quadruple posted... Either the forum is going crazy or my PC is.

 

[dangrsmind]

Feel free to ignore mine as well.

The bar to filing a suit is the filing fee. People could read here and decide to sue my dog and there's nothing I could do about it.

That's not exactly correct. There is the notion of a frivolous suit, which is a suit that is knowingly brought with no legal merits whatsoever. A suit can also be frivolous because existing law prohibits the suit. Bringing a suit against a dog would be clearly frivolous and would be viewed extremely negatively by the court. But I expect you were joking about this.

In the case of a frivolous suit, you can file a motion to have the case dismissed immediately and before incurring a lot of legal costs in depositions and discovery. However, as the suing party you really have to be fairly outrageous to earn the frivolous label, i.e. suing without presenting any evidence of wrongdoing at all, in violation of the law, etc.

But hey what does a nobody like me know about the law. :banghead:

 

[dangrsmind]

Sorry if I have triple or quadruple posted... Either the forum is going crazy or my PC is.

Seems to be the site, not you. Having the same problem.

 

[dangrsmind]

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[dangrsmind]

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[dangrsmind]

I'll accept your pleasantries, even if they come complete with a backhanded compliment...

I do not pretend anything, friend. I have been doing this for a long time. It started as a journey in self discovery, mainly determining what makes me different than the people we read about. You do not know me, what I've experienced in life, or the temptations I have fought to keep myself out of the news.

My reference here was actually to another poster, so sorry for the confusion.

There was no backhand intended, this was meant to be only a compliment to you.

 

[dangrsmind]

Farmville no stranger to grisly crimes

"Nine years ago, a town police officer stopped a man in a car who had blood on his hands and an ax on his front seat. He was convicted of killing his ex-wife and her mother outside the town limits. The two women ran a vintage-clothing store on Main Street in Farmville.

Then, in 2001, a psychiatrist killed his wife in their Farmville home and then shot himself while on a deer stand. Authorities found him hanging from a rope tied to a tree.

But the scale of last month's crime -- four victims killed in one home -- had not been seen in central Virginia since the murders of the Harvey and Tucker-Baskerville families in their Richmond homes by two men in early 2006."

 

[dangrsmind]

Exactly. A suit that is brought. It can be dismissed and sanctions applied, but if brought it must in some way be answered or the moving party will get a default judgment.



Since you continue to make references to your legal background I'm going to ask the forum owner to contact you about your background, and also ask you to refrain from making any such comments until the two of you have spoken.

Yes I agree with the above.

No need to be secretive, just so everyone on the forum knows the same information I will tell her.

I am not a lawyer but a student of the law and I've been in business for over 20 years. You have to know something about this just to survive out there. Mostly I know about things like contracts and intellectual property law and I also have done government contract management work. Although I am not a lawyer, I directed the work of attorneys including both inside and outside counsel in a public corporation. I know about suing people from first hand experience.