VA - Couple & two teens found murdered, Farmville, 15 Sept 2009 #3

[NativeGirl]

Farmville,VA Call Log Fire Department
09/18/2009 2009241 Assist P.D. 505 First Ave. E1-1

http://farmvillefire.net/custom.html?id=3253


I wonder why the police called the Fire Department on 09/18/09?



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freaky of a book The Soul Hunter by Melanie Wells

Peter Terry Returns

A knock at her door. A bloody axe. A murder weapon in her own living room

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/The-Soul-Hunter/Melanie-Wells/e/9781590524275

 

[Heroine]

dangrsmnd, you and I think a lot alike, and have a lot of the same influences in reading material. I also do not believe anything. I just have a lot of ideas. Ideas are easy to change. Beliefs are a bit more hard wired and difficult to change.

Anyhow, I think that we are both fascinated by this case because of what may be happening "behind the scenes" so to speak. Yes, there may be simple answers to everything, and when more news of this case finally becomes public, it may seem as though a simple explanation will tie up all of the loose ends, but that still won't mean that there may be "more than meets the eye" with this situation.

Either way, I'm sure it will be an interesting ride!

I agree that beliefs are hard to change. I consider myself a christian, but that doesn't mean that I don't believe in Satan or that the things he can do or has done aren't real. You can believe in many things, but that doesn't make you Satanic or Christian etc.... It just makes you aware.
This will surely be an interesting ride!

 

[PAXIMUS]

Hi I am new here, just wanted to check in and let you all know you have done some fabulous work here dangsmind and herione, we have a lot to talk about I was the one who signed up at killmusick as percy and started asking questions until they banned me, some of you referenced that thread earlier, I spoke at length with this sicktanick fellow and I think a lot of what dangrsmind has to say is indeed on the money. I dont have a lot of time to post right now but I look forward to contributing here shortly.:croc:

I have a bunch of e mails from various folks from that forum who contacted me after Shrim banned me and offered their own insight. I will share those as time permits.

Percy

 

[NativeGirl]

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:37 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Latest comment by insider, not Sicktanick:

Shrim=sicktanick

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sorry about the delayed response i was just eating dinner i'm going to try to get to the last 3 emails all in this one so excuse me if i forget something

the text message thing and the razakel thing are actually the same theory. This is whats being said inside the horrorcore community by those oos us who attended the festival, which is kind of convoluted but makes sense to a degree supposedly after the music festival shrim had sex with emma who was sam's girlfriend sam saw one of the texts between shrim and emma on her phone and somehow around the same time razakel shrims gf found out about it and supposedly got in contact with sam before the murders and either she "put a hit out" on the girls or he did it of his own volition but if i was the police i'd subpeona razakel's phone records just to be on the safe side. There is no way Sam would implicate Shrim as he holds a cult like grip and everyone in his camp.

 

[PAXIMUS]

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:37 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
Latest comment by insider, not Sicktanick:

Shrim=sicktanick

Quote:
sorry about the delayed response i was just eating dinner i'm going to try to get to the last 3 emails all in this one so excuse me if i forget something

the text message thing and the razakel thing are actually the same theory. This is whats being said inside the horrorcore community by those oos us who attended the festival, which is kind of convoluted but makes sense to a degree supposedly after the music festival shrim had sex with emma who was sam's girlfriend sam saw one of the texts between shrim and emma on her phone and somehow around the same time razakel shrims gf found out about it and supposedly got in contact with sam before the murders and either she "put a hit out" on the girls or he did it of his own volition but if i was the police i'd subpeona razakel's phone records just to be on the safe side. There is no way Sam would implicate Shrim as he holds a cult like grip and everyone in his camp.

Someone has been doing their homework...:crazy:

I dont support the above theory but as a journalist who has covered this case and every single aspect of it since day one I am obligated to follow all leads.



Another thing I would like to add that I havent seen anyone suggest is that perhaps Sam made Emma WATCH some of the murders. The original reports seemed to indicate that TWO of the bodies were MORE decomposed than the others perhaps meaning that two were killed first, then another and finally, Mark, the father, last. I could see Sam in a murderous/jealous rage, due to the aforementioned text messages from another boy, saying something to the effect:

"You like this horror **** huh ***** well lets see how much you really like it..."

Then proceeding to kill the mother and Mel while making Emma watch, while she was tied up or something. There is no evidence to support this in the way of defensive wounds or rope marks on any of the bodies, specifically Emma's, that we know of, but then again we really dont know much so it is a possible theory, and it would make sense in my opinion.

Looking forward to being here.


Also Dangsmind, we seem to have a lot in common and are probably about the same age, I was a big part of the punk scene all through the 80s and most specifically the Dead Kennedys scene.

 

[PAXIMUS]

Drama never said that Emma and Mel were texting people they were dead. What he was trying to say is outside sources who were not there (in the state of virginia) were texting people about the girls being dead when not even police knew about the murders. Alot of people in the horrorcore scene know alot more information about this case that isnt being divulged in the news reports. Thats why Drama is telling you that when Sam's trial begins next year its going to have alot of twist and turns.

From what I have been able to determine in my investigation there was indeed a lot of chatter in the horrocore community about the murders before the police were notified. Of course we do know that Syniister, Sam's best friend in the commiunity and owner of WIR which Sam associated himself with more so than SKR was the one who Sam called first then Syniister called Shrim, from there its anyone's guess what took place.

 

[Big Rela]

From what I have been able to determine in my investigation there was indeed a lot of chatter in the horrocore community about the murders before the police were notified. Of course we do know that Syniister, Sam's best friend in the commiunity and owner of WIR which Sam associated himself with more so than SKR was the one who Sam called first then Syniister called Shrim, from there its anyone's guess what took place.

This is my personal belief and not anyone elses but i think Shrim was there with Sam and in the end set him up to take the fall. I came to this conclusion with the Razakel theory. I dont think she would have ordered Sam to kill the girls but rather Shrim to have him prove he loved her. I have been following the whole SKR camp due to my beef with them over my calling Shrim out as a snitch by his government name on I'm Goin Sam on it. I am probably more hated by them than you Percy.

 

[PAXIMUS]

This is my personal belief and not anyone elses but i think Shrim was there with Sam and in the end set him up to take the fall. I came to this conclusion with the Razakel theory. I dont think she would have ordered Sam to kill the girls but rather Shrim to have him prove he loved her. I have been following the whole SKR camp due to my beef with them over my calling Shrim out as a snitch by his government name on I'm Goin Sam on it. I am probably more hated by them than you Percy.

Well they cant stand me so at least you and I have something nice in common that whole community has be blacklisted now I have been watching them all very closely for a while now and they know it.:crazy:

I like your theory, dont know if it is true or not but there is nothing wrong with speculation and trying to make sense of the senseless as long as you make it known it is not a statement of fact.

 

[Big Rela]

Well they cant stand me so at least you and I have something nice in common that whole community has be blacklisted now.:crazy:

I like your theory, dont know if it is true or not but there is nothing wrong with speculation and trying to make sense of the senseless as long as you make it known it is not a statement of fact.

During my phone call with Shrim he threatened to have me blacklisted in the Horrorcore music scene. He isnt as big as he makes himself out to be. His "huge" event only drew a little over 100 people and that is including artist. He is no Tech N9ne or Insane Clown Posse though he attempts to make himself out to be one. It sad how he thrives on young, mislead, white suburban kids and brainwashes them with him music. My theory was just a personal theory but i would like see if it has any shread of truth to it once the case goes to trial.

 

[PAXIMUS]

During my phone call with Shrim he threatened to have me blacklisted in the Horrorcore music scene. He isnt as big as he makes himself out to be. His "huge" event only drew a little over 100 people and that is including artist. He is no Tech N9ne or Insane Clown Posse though he attempts to make himself out to be one. It sad how he thrives on young, mislead, white suburban kids and brainwashes them with him music. My theory was just a personal theory but i would like see if it has any shread of truth to it once the case goes to trial.

He doesnt impress me much and I personally think his music subpar and I am a lover of hardcore punk and have been for years so it isnt the subect matter that turns me off so much as it is his lack of talent. I offered to fly him anywhere to meet on neutral ground on my dime for an official interview and he agreed at first then never got back in touch with me.

I would also like to add that Shrim's knowledge of Occult Science is limited to what the average internet occultist wannabe poser knows, mind you I am no expert on the occult but Occult Science has been a part of my life since I was child, my parents were a big part of Rudolf Steiner's Anthroposophy movement and I attended Steiner's Waldorf Schools since I was 5 years old and all through high school and still study his works to this day. I am not an expert but certainly a student who can speak with a certain amount of authority on all things Occult Science related and I can assure from the in depth discussions I did have with Shrim prior to our falling out after he found out I was a member of the press, he doesnt know much at all but likes to make it sound as if he does. He reads a lot of Jordan Maxwell and Mr Maxwell is not someone who is taken very seriously by those of us in the Occult Sciences community.


So RELA, you are the one who made the "Going Sam On It" rap? Interesting, I applaud your courage. I asked Shrim why it was ok to rap about murderers and their victims that he didnt know but as soon as it happens to someone close to him the subject is off limits and taboo.

Shrim posted a sticky on his forum forbidding anyone in his camp from talking to me.

 

[Big Rela]

He doesnt impress me much and I personally think his music subpar and I am a lover of hardcore punk and have been for years so it isnt the subect matter that turns me off so much as it is his lack of talent. I offered to fly him anywhere to meet on neutral ground on my dime for an official interview and he agreed at first then never got back in touch with me.

I would also like to add that Shrim's knowledge of Occult Science is limited to what the average internet occultist wannabe poser knows, mind you I am no expert on the occult but Occult Science has been a part of my life since I was child, my parents were a big part of Rudolf Steiner's Anthroposophy movement and I attended Steiner's Waldorf Schools since I was 5 years old and all through high school and still study his works to this day. I am not an expert but certainly a student who can speak with a certain amount of authority on all things Occult Science related and I can assure from the in depth discussions I did have with Shrim prior to our falling out after he found out I was a member of the press, he doesnt know much at all but likes to make it sound as if he does. He reads a lot of Jordan Maxwell and Mr Maxwell is not someone who is taken very seriously by those of us in the Occult Sciences community.


So RELA, you are the one who made the "Going Sam On It" rap? Interesting, I applaud your courage. I asked Shrim why it was ok to rap about murderers and their victims that he didnt know but as soon as it happens to someone close to him the subject is off limits and taboo.

Shrim posted a sticky on his forum forbidding anyone in his camp from talking to me.

Mr.Rage actually came up with idea for the song but i took it one step further and actually named all the victims involved. The minute i did that i received numerous death threats right to my myspace page and also lost 20 some people associated to SKR off of my friends list. I personally feel that this tragic event is what the genre of music we chose thrives on. I dont understand why they shunned the idea. Apparently they feel that one of their own shouldnt be victims.

 

[dangrsmind]

Someone has been doing their homework...:crazy:

<snip>

Also Dangsmind, we seem to have a lot in common and are probably about the same age, I was a big part of the punk scene all through the 80s and most specifically the Dead Kennedys scene.

One step removed I'd bet.

 

[PAXIMUS]

Mr.Rage actually came up with idea for the song but i took it one step further and actually named all the victims involved. The minute i did that i received numerous death threats right to my myspace page and also lost 20 some people associated to SKR off of my friends list. I personally feel that this tragic event is what the genre of music we chose thrives on. I dont understand why they shunned the idea. Apparently they feel that one of their own shouldnt be victims.

Well I am not a horrocore fan so I really dont agree with any of it including the song you did, HOWEVER your point is valid and the fact that they turned on you for the very thing they thrive on tells me more about them than it does about you.

In the end I support free artistic expression and applaud the effort of any artist to break down barriers and stay on the forefront.

 

[dangrsmind]

This is my personal belief and not anyone elses but i think Shrim was there with Sam and in the end set him up to take the fall. I came to this conclusion with the Razakel theory. I dont think she would have ordered Sam to kill the girls but rather Shrim to have him prove he loved her. I have been following the whole SKR camp due to my beef with them over my calling Shrim out as a snitch by his government name on I'm Goin Sam on it. I am probably more hated by them than you Percy.

This is kind of an extreme accusation.

Is there any evidence that Shrim was anywhere near Farmville Virginia at the time of the murders? I haven't seen any that I remember. Of course I don't see anything that necessarily contradicts this theory either.

 

[PAXIMUS]

One step removed I'd bet.

Yea from what I have read from you maybe even a half a step. Good to know you, you have a good head on your shoulders and I am glad to see youre using it in a positive manner.

 

[peace_gurl]

Another question for the locals...

Anyone care to locate this sign on a map for me?

This sign is located across the bridge in Farmville in the county of cumberland. It is near Green Front Furniture at the end of N. Main Street, Farmville, I will try located it on a map and try to post.

 

[ziggy]

So you guys think it's possible Sam was put up to this. I think it's possible too that someone else shares in the responsibility and I think there's more group control stuff going on than anyone will admit within their group or cult.

Shrim in Farmville? He's not exactly inconspicuous and I wonder how he got in and out of the neighborhood and house without being noticed, but then again there is nighttime.

I suppose raz could have told shrim to convince Sam to do do it from a distance. If Sam as that easy to push and he was already mad at Emma...

I asked the same darn questions in the beginning - if you rap about murders and this stuff going down, why are you all so mortified? Everyone was all, damn, that's sick, that's tragic - they showed no remorse for victims whose murders they glorified and who they did not know and that just seemed off to me.

Has anyone been in contact with the Farmville PD or Sam's defense attorney? Will Sam talk now that he's been confined and alone for a while, will he come to his senses and spill it if others were involved? Is that why the charges for the women have not been filed yet? Damn, so many questions.

 

[dangrsmind]

He doesnt impress me much and I personally think his music subpar and I am a lover of hardcore punk and have been for years so it isnt the subect matter that turns me off so much as it is his lack of talent. I offered to fly him anywhere to meet on neutral ground on my dime for an official interview and he agreed at first then never got back in touch with me.

I would also like to add that Shrim's knowledge of Occult Science is limited to what the average internet occultist wannabe poser knows, mind you I am no expert on the occult but Occult Science has been a part of my life since I was child, my parents were a big part of Rudolf Steiner's Anthroposophy movement and I attended Steiner's Waldorf Schools since I was 5 years old and all through high school and still study his works to this day. I am not an expert but certainly a student who can speak with a certain amount of authority on all things Occult Science related and I can assure from the in depth discussions I did have with Shrim prior to our falling out after he found out I was a member of the press, he doesnt know much at all but likes to make it sound as if he does. He reads a lot of Jordan Maxwell and Mr Maxwell is not someone who is taken very seriously by those of us in the Occult Sciences community.


So RELA, you are the one who made the "Going Sam On It" rap? Interesting, I applaud your courage. I asked Shrim why it was ok to rap about murderers and their victims that he didnt know but as soon as it happens to someone close to him the subject is off limits and taboo.

Shrim posted a sticky on his forum forbidding anyone in his camp from talking to me.

Maxwell isn't very interesting I agree.

What publication do you write for?

 

[Big Rela]

This is kind of an extreme accusation.

Is there any evidence that Shrim was anywhere near Farmville Virginia at the time of the murders? I haven't seen any that I remember. Of course I don't see anything that necessarily contradicts this theory either.

Is there any evidence saying he wasn't? They found Sam Saturday. The girls were murdered on what Wednesday or Thursday. He could have left Sam to clean up and went home. Its not an accusation its a personal belief. There were even reports of feces spread on the walls. And from what i have read its apart of a killing ritual of the occult. Sam just doesn't come off as the type of person that could orchestrate this whole mess by himself.

 

[PAXIMUS]

Maxwell isn't very interesting I agree.

What publication do you write for?

I am a freelance journalist have been published in everything from Readers Digest to Arizona Highways. I have thus far kept my personal identity out of this case because soon after delving in to it did get some pretty threatening e mails and I want to protect my family from the problems my professional obligations may get me involved in but as we go on here I will be happy to speak with you in private and introduce myself more formally. I dont trust the people we are dealing with at all, let me be clear about that, I know when to take things seriously and I am taking this seriously.

I actually have a very nice outline for a book about this case scripted out, some of the stuff you have managed to dig up would make for a few interesting chapters, perhaps we will have to discuss that at some point.

As for Maxwell the problem I have is that the title occultist is thrown around much too liberally IMO. I will say with authority that we can probably count the number of real occultists since the beginning of written history on one hand and maybe on just a few fingers. When I say occultist I am speaking of someone who has actually made contact and communicated with higher worlds. I think MAYBE Steiner may have accomplished this and MAYBE Crowley but I am doubtful and skeptical of even him. Its possible nobody ever has and I would wager that if there is any real occult work/study going on I mean the real deal, its likely happening in Tibet in the secret Buddhist monestaries. Shrim is not an occultist and never will be there is no way you can be a real occultist and accomplish a knowledge of higher worlds and things unseen by living a normal life working a job paying bills etc such a thing requires an INCREDIBLE amount of discipline and dedication far more than any of us including Shrim etc can even fathom. Only the life of monk with the strictest of precepts and non attachment lifestyle could even come close to such a thing, so lets put that to rest here and now, he is no occultist BUT that doesnt mean he doesnt have enough knowledge to encode certain messages and ideas in his music through the use of basic Kabbalistic gemetria and other forms of numerology but lets not mistake getting naked and dancing around a bonfire with real occult science study here.