VA - Couple & two teens found murdered, Farmville, 15 Sept 2009 #4

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And my answer to the big question is... It will not effect sentencing because VA is not going to accept an insanity plea. IMO I really believe virginia will fry him.

Also the drinking part I tossed in because in the insane defence it mentioned impulse control and not being able to control it . But he was drinking and had he not been he might of been able to control it ,so in effect he had control over drinking which lead to the incontrol of the murder making him still in control from the start.
The impulse control was the only area I thought he might fit for such a defence.

Where did you read he was drinking at the time of the murders? I'm also not sure what part of the insanity defense you're referring to here.

c. Voluntary intoxication does not qualify
(1) "settled insanity" due to substance abuse may qualify. The
criteria are organic impairment, with psychotic symptoms,
resulting from long-term substance use
(2) voluntary intoxication may negate "premeditation" to
reduce homicide offense from first-degree or capital murder
to second-degree murder

This is a subset to the test. This means Sam could not argue that he is not guilty by reason of insanity on the basis of his voluntary intoxication. So, for this fact patter to apply, he would have to have been intoxicated at the time of the murders. Unless you're referring to something else?
 
  • #382
And my answer to the big question is... It will not effect sentencing because VA is not going to accept an insanity plea. IMO I really believe virginia will fry him.

Also the drinking part I tossed in because in the insane defence it mentioned impulse control and not being able to control it . But he was drinking and had he not been he might of been able to control it ,so in effect he had control over drinking which lead to the incontrol of the murder making him still in control from the start.
The impulse control was the only area I thought he might fit for such a defence.

I agree with you about Virginia and I've been saying it from the start. Sam should have picked another state to go on a murder spree, like DP-free Michigan. Yet another case for the DP-is-not-a-deterrent argument.

Which got me to thinking. Why do serial killers so often lack a contingency plan? Even the so-called "organized" ones, like Bundy who committed murders in Florida (a DP state).
 
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Sure. But it seems to me, not a lawyer, that this defense would be a lot stronger if he had stayed at the house until he was caught. Then I might buy the idea that he didn't understand what he had done.

But he didn't stay there, he left and eventually went to the airport to leave town. If he was "insane" at the time of the murders and while hanging out in the house with the decomposing bodies, he seems to have come to his senses at some point later on. But then instead of turning himself in to authorities he tried to leave town to escape the consequences. He had enough knowledge of the consequences of his crimes to lie to various people including law enforcement as well. He may have tried to create a (very lame) alibi. None of this supports the legal definition of insanity does it?

I don't think it's going to work.

Sure, but it depends on how you define "work". I don't think a "not guilty by reason of insanity" plea will have him sitting at home in a couple weeks working on some new sick tracks, nor do I think he'll ever leave wherever he ends up alive.

I do think that it may help his sentencing.
 
  • #385
Sure, but it depends on how you define "work". I don't think a "not guilty by reason of insanity" plea will have him sitting at home in a couple weeks working on some new sick tracks, nor do I think he'll ever leave wherever he ends up alive.

I agree. Unless there's a forensic miracle, Sam's best hope is LWOP. His lawyers have to do everything within their power to keep him alive. If they don't, they're not doing their job. I think we all realize what a incredible task they've been handed.
 
  • #386
Hi all, I'm still at the top of page 15; having a hard time keeping up with all of the late-night writers on here!

Anywho, my eldest son is doing weekends out at Piedmont Reigonal Jail for once again driving on a suspended license (he will never learn). I asked him if he had caught a glimpse of Sam in there and he said yes, they have him at the entrance just in front of the guards so they can watch him all of the time. He is in a glass cell with chicken wire running through the glass.
 
  • #387
Welcome to the board, Vabrownid1! Thanks for coming by. I hope you stick around. We love hearing from locals.

And good luck with your son. Hang in there, eventually they grow up. :)
 
  • #388
I have been thinking that he would grow up since he was 15; now at 28, I don't ever see it happening. At least he hasn't bludgeoned anyone to death!
 
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If you click on the picture it takes you back to WebSleuths; it's just from our postings.
 
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Let me try to re-frame my argument here as it seems I’m not clear: McCroskey, absent a forensics miracle, does not have a “not guilty” plea available to him. Or rather, he does, but it will fail and he will be put to death.

He does, however, have the ability to make the argument that he’s not guilty by reason of insanity. Regardless of whether this will work, this is significant for a few reasons.

Trials are conducted in a series of stages. Right now, they are in a pretrial stage. Before trial there will be a pretrial conference between the DA and the Defense where the DA is going to let the defense know whether or not, in the event of a guilty plea, they will pursue the death penalty. If they are, the Defense can then say they will pursue a not guilty by reason of insanity plea.

The NGI defense is significant in a few a ways. First of all, it will force the case to go to hearing on the merits to determine McCroskey’s culpability. This will take a lot of time and a lot of money. Second of all, the prosecution could theoretically lose, as no one knows McCroskey’s sanity.
This is an important bargaining chip in saving his life. The DA could decide that they don’t want to take it to trial and offer McCroskey a plea bargain of life without parole. Or, they could still take on the case, forcing the aforementioned hearing.

I believe that there is a misconception that in the event that the NGI plea fails the Jury will stand up and say, like they do on Law and Order, We the jury find that McCroskey is guilty and should be sentenced to death.
That’s not how it works.

After the verdict comes in, the case moves into the sentencing stage, where the prosecution and defense will essentially argue whether McCroskey deserves to be put to death. You can imagine the prosecutions argument. The defense will probably put McCroskey’s mother, sister, perhaps father, and friends on the stand to advocate for their son. They will also have their insanity defense available: that McCroskey should not be put to death based on the psychological analysis originally proffered in the trial. Psychiatrist and other testimony. This is how arguing McCroskey’s insanity could help save his life.

Both phases, the criminal aspect and the sentencing, could be before juries. Or, McCroskey can waive his right to a jury trial and simply have a bench trial (where the judge decides) .
 
  • #393
i don't really know if this link has been mentioned, but it's interesting with some of the facts about Sam, a myspace that said he hates everything and life,and his family, the victims, the murder. At the end of the page are several links where the information came from. Hope i am not repeating this info, pardon if i am...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Samuel_McCroskey
 
  • #394
I have been thinking that he would grow up since he was 15; now at 28, I don't ever see it happening. At least he hasn't bludgeoned anyone to death!



Thanks, Vabrownid! That will now be my mantra as my 10yo grows up! :)
 
  • #395
I vote for a Carpenter's soundtrack for Pax's movie :crosseyed:

I don't want to be cast as Sam's mom, thank you. :hand:

The story about serving the Beltway guy gave me chills ... especially your Mama being so close :eek:

I vote for a true-crime book
 
  • #396
Anyone besides me notice that McCroskey comes from the Gaelic "Mac an Chrosain". "Mac an", son of, and "Chrosain" or "Crosan" means "a reciter of satirical verse"

So apparently there is an ancient family history of bad rhyming...
 
  • #397
anyone besides me notice that mccroskey comes from the gaelic "mac an chrosain". "mac an", son of, and "chrosain" or "crosan" means "a reciter of satirical verse"

so apparently there is an ancient family history of bad rhyming...

rflmao!
 
  • #398
Anyone besides me notice that McCroskey comes from the Gaelic "Mac an Chrosain". "Mac an", son of, and "Chrosain" or "Crosan" means "a reciter of satirical verse"

So apparently there is an ancient family history of bad rhyming...



Er, no. That would be just you, noticing that.
 
  • #399
I am sure some of the things that he did at the house after the murders will prove he knew exactly what he was doing : )



Gurrrrrl..... What are you not telling us? :)
 
  • #400
Anyone notice that a few Razakel songs lift the production from popular songs? I know in Hip Hop that's standard for mixtapes, but I'm curious as to how much Sicktannick lifts his beats from elsewhere on the "pressed records" and if he credits them.

Specifically, I'm talking about "Pornographic Blasphemy" ft. Sicktanick which steals the melody from Justin Timberlake's "My Love" and "OH (UGLYCROSSEYEDGREENFAKEHAIREDHOEZ)" Which lifts the beat and melody from Ciara's "Oh".
 

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