VA - Couple & two teens found murdered, Farmville, 15 Sept 2009 #7

[dangrsmind]

“The murderer shall surely be put to death” (Numbers 35:16-18)

Please do not forget that Mark, Debra, Em and Mel were victims. Letting Sam get life will just degrade the lives of Mark, Debra, Em and Mel. It was his free will to commit these 4 murders. I believe he needs to pay the ultimate price…. only one problem is Sam can not pay the ultimate price FOUR times.

But then you have to kill the person that murders the murderer. It's an endless loop.

 

[NativeGirl]

NativeGirl, I think that you didn't write that.

http://www.learnthebible.org/would-jesus-oppose-the-death-penalty.html

Regardless, my view is that this is a serious misreading of both the old and new testaments. Thou shalt not kill is one of the ten commandments; there are no exceptions, there is no fine print.

“He that is without sin among you" means "no one" since no man or woman is without sin.

Nope I did not.. you think I would take the time to write that??? But it's true

 

[NativeGirl]

But then you have to kill the person that murders the murderer. It's an endless loop.

but you kill them you are not murdering them.

 

[dangrsmind]

Nope I did not.. you think I would take the time to write that??? But it's true

So where are the exceptions to the ten commandments specified in your version of the bible? I'd like to read up on these.

 

[dangrsmind]

but you kill them you are not murdering them.

That's in the bible?

 

[NativeGirl]

So where are exceptions to the ten commandments specified in your version of the bible?

With God.

 

[PAXIMUS]

Im glad we can be adults and that you can share what you think and your views with me.. I am serious...

I am serious also and I want you to always continue to speak your mind and tell me when you think I am wrong. I love discussion and I know better than to make this personal. Its just healthy debate maybe a little heated for some but if we can handle it then there is no reason to shy away from it at all.

 

[NativeGirl]

That's in the bible?

Yeah.. but why would you care?? You are not into God's word are you???

 

[NativeGirl]

I am serious also and I want you to always continue to speak your mind and tell me when you think I am wrong. I love discussion and I know better than to make this personal. Its just healthy debate maybe a little heated for some but if we can handle it then there is no reason to shy away from it at all.

Look I am not trying to tell you that you are wrong.. I am just sharing what I think is right.. You are free to think how you want... it freaks me out the way you think to be truthful... LOL :truce:

 

[NativeGirl]

That's in the bible?

There is a technical difference between killing and murder. The taking of a human life, in some cases, is justified (not murder). In Exodus 20: 13 we read, "thou shalt not kill." However, those under Moses' Law (theocracy) who committed capital offenses such as murder (unlawful taking of a human life) were to be "surely put to death" (Ex. 21: 12).

The origin of the death penalty. "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made He man (Gen. 9: 6). God ordained the death penalty. God also appointed "man" to execute the death penalty. In Romans 13: 1-7 the "sword" belonging to the civil powers is not to be born in vain (vs. 4). Those who oppose correct capital punishment are opposing God who instituted and commands it! If the death penalty were inherently wrong, Paul would not have offered to freely yield to it. Hear him: "For if I be an offender, or have committed anything worthy of death, I refuse not to die..."(Acts 25: 11).

Beloved, the death penalty, when correctly exercised, is not murder because God legislated capital punishment. As man seeks to remove God from right and wrong and morals in general, we will continue to call evil good and good evil (Isa. 5: 20). The very concept of "punishment" seems to have departed from the thinking of many (please carefully read Romans 13: 1-7). Surely we do not question the "morals" of God!

source : http://www.biblequestions.org/Archives/BQAR237.htm

 

[AndresEscobar]

Because you like them and not from VA... are you a N.E.R.D fan ??

eh, i'm wishy washy on N.E.R.D. the clipse, though, I love.

 

[dangrsmind]

Yeah.. but why would you care?? You are not into God's word are you???

I am interested in all human religious traditions.

 

[PAXIMUS]

Look I am not trying to tell you that you are wrong.. I am just sharing what I think is right.. You are free to think how you want... it freaks me out the way you think to be truthful... LOL :truce:

What exactly freaks you out, that I have compassion for others regardless of who they are and what they do? There are untold millions of Buddhists all over the world who believe this and all I am pointing out is this is what Jesus also taught the difference is as a Buiddhist I live it and dont just preach it.

No killing period.

Compassion and forgiveness for all sentient beings because frankly we are all in a sad state of suffering and misery on some level and that will never end until you are ready to make it stop if you dont put forth the effort to make it stop it will continue over and over and over and over. If thats what you want ok, I dont want that.

 

[dangrsmind]

There is a technical difference between killing and murder. The taking of a human life, in some cases, is justified (not murder). In Exodus 20: 13 we read, "thou shalt not kill." However, those under Moses' Law (theocracy) who committed capital offenses such as murder (unlawful taking of a human life) were to be "surely put to death" (Ex. 21: 12).

The origin of the death penalty. "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made He man (Gen. 9: 6). God ordained the death penalty. God also appointed "man" to execute the death penalty. In Romans 13: 1-7 the "sword" belonging to the civil powers is not to be born in vain (vs. 4). Those who oppose correct capital punishment are opposing God who instituted and commands it! If the death penalty were inherently wrong, Paul would not have offered to freely yield to it. Hear him: "For if I be an offender, or have committed anything worthy of death, I refuse not to die..."(Acts 25: 11).

Beloved, the death penalty, when correctly exercised, is not murder because God legislated capital punishment. As man seeks to remove God from right and wrong and morals in general, we will continue to call evil good and good evil (Isa. 5: 20). The very concept of "punishment" seems to have departed from the thinking of many (please carefully read Romans 13: 1-7). Surely we do not question the "morals" of God!

source : http://www.biblequestions.org/Archives/BQAR237.htm

I don't question the morals of God, its the men and women who interpret God's word to mean whatever they want it to mean that I worry about.

 

[NativeGirl]

What exactly freaks you out, that I have compassion for others regardless of who they are and what they do? There are untold millions of Buddhists all over the world who believe this and all I am pointing out is this is what Jesus also taught the difference is as a Buiddhist I live it and dont just preach it.

No killing period.

Compassion and forgiveness for all sentient beings because frankly we are all in a sad state of suffering and misery on some level and that will never end until you are ready to make it stop if you dont put forth the effort to make it stop it will continue over and over and over and over. If thats what you want ok, I dont want that.

I dont know you just kinda creep me out with the way you think.... and why do you have the Sex Pistols up?? I never heard of a Buddhist playing that kind of music.. what type are u?

 

[NativeGirl]

I don't question the morals of God, its the men and women who interpret God's word to mean whatever they want it to mean that I worry about.

ok... gotcha..

 

[PercyVeer]

You gotta choice. Love, caring compassion, mercy, understanding; or self-discipline gone riot. Who tells you what to do? If you break the rules of sensibility and life, should you not be excluded from society? Go make your own society if you can't live with other humans, and if you are not human, I an dang sorry for ya ! You will pay and it ain't pretty ! Blessings for the girls and family, with LOVE. Best to you.

 

[dangrsmind]

I dont know you just kinda creep me out with the way you think.... and why do you have the Sex Pistols up?? I never heard of a Buddhist playing that kind of music.. what type are u?

Actually there is a whole punk dharma movement...

http://www.metafilter.com/31906/Hardcore-Dharma
Amazon.com: Sit Down and Shut Up: Punk Rock Commentaries on Buddha, God, Truth, Sex, Death, and Dogen's Treasury of the Right Dharma Eye (9781577315599): Brad Warner: Books

etc.

 

[peace_gurl]

But then you have to kill the person that murders the murderer. It's an endless loop.

The murderer must pay for his crime it is the law of the land. The Commonwealth is a great supporter of the DP. I am thankful for this.
I just wonder how it would make you feel if some kid from Virginia came to your neighborhood and murdered your kids, brothers and sisters.
I will not fight with you or anyone else over the Bible. I respect your beliefs or non-beliefs. Enough said.

 

[PAXIMUS]

I dont know you just kinda creep me out with the way you think.... and why do you have the Sex Pistols up?? I never heard of a Buddhist playing that kind of music.. what type are u?

LOL the music is meaningless and has no bearing on my life, I like punk music because I have always been sort of rebelious towards conventional ways of thinking. If you listen to the lyrics of the Sex Pistols you will understand what I am saying.

Let me see if I can explain this from a Buddhist POV. Sam's actions are only one half of an incomplete circle, your reaction to his actions are what will determine whether that circle completes itself and starts anew and continues an endless cycle of killing. If your reaction is anger, negativity, retribution etc then the circle will complete itself and continue on and on and on with no end, killing with beget more killing which will beget more killing.

Now if you want to put an end to that then you need to rid yourself of all negative emotion and feelings and detach yourself from those sort of things and understand why Sam did what he did. You see while most people ask themselves "why do people like Sam do what they did" I do not need to ask myself that because I know why he did what he did, I know exactly why he did what he did, its no mystery to me at all. Life is suffering, it is misery and we all react to that in our own way, Sam did what he did because that is what his karma dictates and the only way to put an end to that is to have compassion for the suffering and misery of all beings, to rid yourself of all negativity and need for revenge and to show love and compassion so that you can become a peaceful enlightened being and ensure that the endless loop of murder and mayhem doesnt complete itself and finally and end to all the suffering and misery that we all experience will come about.

See in the Buddhist philosophy those who call for Sams head on a platter will likely BECOME Sam at some point and do exactly what he did you will suffer the consequences of those negative thoughts one way or another because that stuff is like cancer it eats away at you very slowly and consumes you and there is nothing you can do to change that except rid yourself of it by showing compassion for the suffering and misery of all mankind and teaching others to do so, this is the only way we will bring a final end to this madness, the murder and the mayhem.

An eye for an eye leaves two men blind, how is this beneficial to anyone? I dont get it. With this mentality we live in a world full of blind people, the blind leading the blind, in fact that is the world we live in today and I simply propose that we try another way because what we have done up to this point has gotten us nowhere and its time to entertain the idea that we have been wrong all this time.

I dont understand why someone who has compassion for others is creepy, dont you think that is a problem that you see me that way. I dont agree with you and I think your way of thinking is sort of dangerous but I dont find you creepy or anything.

Glen Beck is creepy, I am not creepy.