VA - Hannah Elizabeth Graham, 18, Charlottesville, 13 Sept 2014 - #10

[steelman]

BombShell Tonight !!!

Nancy Grace is asking how Dreads Mathews got away......Longo is stammering a little bit and blaming it on the D.A.

Mark Klass had some input earlier

 

[birdbox]

Wow, people sure do love to hate on the dailymail.co.uk I am noticing. I understand it may not be "validated" such as Reuters or something. However, I will say this...10 years ago college professors would fail you if they found out you used Wikipedia as a source in your research. Now, it is considered a valid place to acquire facts accepted and encouraged by professors. I just want to say hat tip to anyone who was down there asking questions to grandma, no matter if you are a blogger for an unknown news site. hat tip...

 

[TTF14]

What statements of WG were false?

If you mean his description of the man who put his arm around Hannah, I think inaccurate is the appropriate word. False means deliberately untrue. Eyewitness descriptions are extremely unreliable, so that is not unusual or surprising.

Perhaps you think this man intended his description to mislead LE and therefore have characterized it as false. Why would this eyewitness do that? Do you think he is involved in Hannah's disappearance?

I personally think WG told him exactly what he saw (black man with dreadlocks) and for whatever reason, LE decided to report his testimony differently.

JMO.

 

[s3cr3tag3nt]

No way she could have done that ESPECIALLY considering she allegedly was not familiar with the area. Look people, that area is hilly and winding. Maps cannot do it justice in reality.

Sorry to disagree, but it's a straight shot, 0.5 mile downhill from the Shell station/Bodo's to the downtown mall. Easily done in less than 20 minutes.

 

[PresleySyndrome]

Just a reminder: Longo to speak with Andy Coop at 9 on CNN.

 

[random989898]

See that is what I was kind of onto. I detected an attitude when she left the building, or when I saw those two people down the hallway that she looked so weird at. (I am not saying it was them) But to me, it seems like she was buying time to keep from going home.

Where is the video or pics of her looking weirdly at people in the hallway? Somehow I missed that one!

 

[Clockwatcher84]

You have no doubt that the lawyer would work for free? IMO, that was not the case.

That's what I believe as well. He will probably get a good one, pro bono, if he is charged. I just think we would have heard something from any lawyer retained on this case. Some small statement. IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I think if Hannah's blood was found in JM's car or apartment, he would be under arrest for suspicion of causing her harm, or murder. In a case without a body, often blood/signs of a crime scene is the best they can do. Especially if he denies having her in his car or home, or denies any sexual contact which could result in blood. This is why they want a statement, Imo.

But if he never took her to his home (which I doubt he would, not living alone) and nothing more than a hair or two show up in his car, if that, where does LE go from there? Even if he lies about having her in his car, that is at best obstruction, Imo. I think they need either his car or home to clearly reflect a crime
Scene, or to find Hannah very quickly and hope evidence is with her, for this case to go anywhere.

As Eileen H. posted earlier...many of the "major" cases in recent times remain unsolved or had acquittals, from OJ and Casey Anthony, to Jon Benet, Natalee Holloway, Madeline M. Etc

Jmo

They would first have to identify that the blood belonged to Hannah. Also if they found hairs in the car (say the trunk area) or in the home that also takes time to ID.

Which can take time even when asked to be expedited.

I don't think he took her home but criminalists always say the perp always takes a part of the victim with them whether it is hair, fiber or fluid found on the perps underwear, etc..

IMO

 

[lateott]

What really P O's me in this case is all of the fake or seems fake info that LE has put out there

Shaved head goateed guy

No one walking with her
Etc etc etc

Personally I think silence is better than spreading rumor

Agree completely. It makes me second guess how careful and accurate they are describing other things: texts, state of inebriation, times, statements, etc.

I have to say I was shocked, SHOCKED that on Saturday Longo and Mooney didn't know the time of the last text from Hannah's phone. What is going on? Other than video, phone/text/location stamps have to be THE most valuable info in finding a missing person!

Male Reporter: (0:25:02) Can you clarify whether her last text was at 1:06am or 1:20am or
some other time?
Sgt. Mooney: (0:25:08) Not at this point, because we're still working on the phone records with
the phone companies.
Chief Longo: (0:25:15) We're trying to validate those time stamps without assuming that they're
accurate

 

[Really?]

No. Without a body, what are they arresting him for? If the found Hannah's DNA in his car, so what? What are they arresting him for? What about her blood? Still, what are they arresting him for?

They need a body. It is quite rare to prosecute without a body.



The biggest reason I have found on here, repeated quite a bit, is that he doesn't "look" like the type because he has nice friends. (Note that many of his friends look like regular, middle class family people and many/most are white).



Can you link to something showing he actually talked with LE about what he knows? I haven;t seen that and that would change things quite a bit.



Every time we have a missing kid or woman case sex trafficking rings get brought up. I've never seen that pan out. Not once. Sex trafficking rings exist among low-level criminals who sell Eastern European, Latin American and Asian immigrant women or runaway street children, at truck stops, etc.

Not once have I seen evidence of a white slavery sex trafficking ring. There's no need for one. Plenty of scared immigrants and drug addicted children to sell.



WELCOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Not without a body. There is a statutory clock that starts to run the moment someone is charged. And what would they charge him with without hard evidence that she's dead? (Blood is not enough).



I agree with your post except I wanted to clarify that good circumstantial evidence is pretty much everything except confessions and witness statements of people who saw the crime in progress. DNA, fingerprints, ballistics, video, audio, mileage, witness statements about a possible perp in the area, mileage, phone records, etc., etc., it is ALL circumstantial evidence.

Thank you again for your always useful posts!

 

[TTF14]

Wow, people sure do love to hate on the dailymail.co.uk I am noticing. I understand it may not be "validated" such as Reuters or something. However, I will say this...10 years ago college professors would fail you if they found out you used Wikipedia as a source in your research. Now, it is considered a valid place to acquire facts accepted and encouraged by professors. I just want to say hat tip to anyone who was down there asking questions to grandma, no matter if you are a blogger for an unknown news site. hat tip...

BBM. Is it really? Just curious. My middle school children are not even allowed to use it as a source for their reports.

 

[ButForFortune]

Can anyone provide a link to the videos? I just have not been able to keep up with the threads but am very interested in looking at them. Thanks in advance!

 

[Lovepink]

BombShell Tonight !!!

Nancy Grace is asking how Dreads Mathews got away......Longo is stammering a little bit and blaming it on the D.A.

Mark Klass had some input earlier

Ooh. I just knew he didn't agree with the commonwealth attorney. Jmo of course.

 

[TravelingBug]

This is so high profile now, I would be shocked if someone didn't pop out (or hasn't popped out) of the woodwork begging JM to take this on.

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I'm sure someone who JVM or NG or GVS or someone has on as a legal person will probably volunteer on air even (and either they or the show will make sure that gets passed on because the show will then say they did or that the person or their family didn't respond or something)

It's happened more than once.

Heck, Gloria Allred used to do it about weekly regarding various females for awhile there!

Was it Mark Geragos who offered on a big case on GVS' OTR and then didn't do much to hide his irritation whoever it was didn't take him up on it?

 

[PresleySyndrome]

They would first have to identify that the blood belonged to Hannah. Also if they found hairs in the car (say the trunk area) or in the home that also takes time to ID.

Which can take time even when asked to be expedited.

I don't think he took her home but criminalists always say the perp always takes a part of the victim with them whether it is hair, fiber or fluid found on the perps underwear, etc..

IMO

Again, DNA results don't take that long. I, personally, believe they have the results.

 

[Lava]

Wow, people sure do love to hate on the dailymail.co.uk I am noticing. I understand it may not be "validated" such as Reuters or something. However, I will say this...10 years ago college professors would fail you if they found out you used Wikipedia as a source in your research. Now, it is considered a valid place to acquire facts accepted and encouraged by professors. I just want to say hat tip to anyone who was down there asking questions to grandma, no matter if you are a blogger for an unknown news site. hat tip...

Lol, Wikipedia at least links to sources. You just can't compare the two. The Daily Mail is notorious, and not for no reason.

 

[birdbox]

Did JM do that ?

I have no idea...that was my very odd sense of humor.

 

[Lava]

That's what I believe as well. He will probably get a good one, pro bono, if he is charged. I just think we would have heard something from any lawyer retained on this case. Some small statement. IMO

I don't doubt that he could get a pro bono lawyer, although I don't think he has yet. However, I don't think the lawyers on the list at the PD would work for free.

 

[citygirl]

That is a theory many have not ruled out.

Or perhaps the man he describes was in cahoots with JM? Maybe they don't have him on video? Only the witness description? Then JM is described as the last person seen with her? Maybe that's why LE implied there may be more than 2 people spotted getting into his car?

 

[random989898]

Wow, people sure do love to hate on the dailymail.co.uk I am noticing. I understand it may not be "validated" such as Reuters or something. However, I will say this...10 years ago college professors would fail you if they found out you used Wikipedia as a source in your research. Now, it is considered a valid place to acquire facts accepted and encouraged by professors. I just want to say hat tip to anyone who was down there asking questions to grandma, no matter if you are a blogger for an unknown news site. hat tip...

Daily Mail's goal is to get the scoop out fast and with lots of pics. They don't really care if they get it right or if their sources have any credibility at all. If you read a series of Daily Mail articles on the same case there are all kinds of contradictions between articles as more details come out. they are a tabloid, not a news source. Sure, they get a few things right here and there but don't go by anything they say. However they are great for pictures!