VA - Hannah Elizabeth Graham, 18, Charlottesville, 13 Sept 2014 - #9

[Suthrnqt]

Right, I was thinking maybe they have solid evidence that he is guilty but they're hoping he will do something that will lead them to Hannah or sadly Hannah's body so they aren't arresting him yet...for that anyway. I think they can get DNA from him now that he has been arrested. At least, my father a former police officer said they can now get DNA from him since he's been arrested, not sure if that is accurate or not.

BIB
AFAIK, the POI has not been arrested. :twocents:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Well we don't know if he retained this lawyer or not.
and the way this is unfolding Id think if he had retained him this Lawyer would hold some kind of press conf Like the guy in the AHernandez case. My clint says he has nothing to do with this etc etc etc.... Not run away JMO

I find it very heartbreaking that this case is STUCK where it is because this man wont talk?

The way things are today I don't think JM would get crucified or railroaded I actually think today they would do everything by the book with Kid gloves....

Any Lawyer would take this case Pro bono.

so if he has nothing at all to hide why the silence? This part I do not understand.

JM is really bringing all of this on himself by trying to elude speaking with LE.

What innocent person does that?

If he does have a lawyer then his lawyer can be right there when LE interviews him.

He is sure not acting like a person who has nothing to hide. Imo, he does have something to hide and that is why he is playing the cat and mouse game with LE.

IMO

 

[katiewonders]

jamicat, the BBM is really frightening. Just the cases we know of being taken (kids playing in their yards; Cornwall walking for exercise; children walking to or from school; Brucia & Baum walking home from a friend's house; riding bikes, Moyer maybe sitting on her porch, ETC). :gaah:

Some folks I know think I'm too focused (read: paranoid) about watching over children but I always tell them I've read too much online and you have to protect the treasures!

I don't know if Charlottesville has more than the average number of missing, assaulted, murdered young females, for a city of its population . There have been some cases brought up, but so it seems to be the case anytime this sort of thing happens. Does anyone know if there is reason to believe that there is possibly a serial attacker of females in Charlottesville as indicated by number of such crimes, or if it's typical of such a city, especially with a university right there. There is an uptick in this sort of thing when there is such a high concentration of young people that a university has.

It is frightening that it's a fact of life that a lone person, especially female, can find self in danger; that it's a reality that there are predators out there just looking for someone vulnerable. I always though of Charlottesville as a very nice, relatively safe college town/city.

 

[Suthrnqt]

True, maybe not guilty per se but as others have mentioned they have more evidence on him than they let on.

BTW- what does BBM mean?

Bolded By Me

 

[Topcat]

BBM. The only reason that makes any sense is that it is because he is black and she is white. IMO.

or he has nothing more to add to what he has told LE....In all honesty ,I feel Longo MUST have other "evidence" that he is withholding from the public that disputes what has been told to his investigators by Matthews.

 

[Madison418]

Agreed. This is all strategic, they've been following waiting for something, anything that they could nab him on to bring him in.

 

[cady]

IMO You can consult an attorney without retaining them. I think that the lawyer he talked to probably told him to definitely retain an attorney before talking to authorities. JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

True, maybe not guilty per se but as others have mentioned they have more evidence on him than they let on.

BTW- what does BBM mean?

BBM means Bolded By Me.

 

[Samantharock]

Bumping up this post on page 2 from Perplexed 123. Does anyone know if these cameras record or snap a still pic of vehicles?

I know traffic cameras snap still shots, as ive gotten red light ticket in the mail before lol, thats what they are there for, i am however not too sure if they record or not.. that is a good question, one which id like to know the answer to

 

[katiewonders]

At the presser, Longo said to look for JM at the four corners of the nation and beyond. LE doesn't know where JM is anymore

BIB
AFAIK, the POI has not been arrested. :twocents:

 

[blefuscu]

BBM. The only reason that makes any sense is that it is because he is black and she is white. IMO.

Eh? It's nothing to do with race and everything to do with JM being the last person seen with Hannah. If he was white and refusing to talk to LE I have no doubts that Longo would be just as passionate and just as driven.

While we are all aware that JM is innocent until proven guilty we all know that doesn't mean he has nothing to do with Hannah's disappearance. He could very well be the reason LE can't find her. He could be completely innocent. But he's refusing to help LE and so the police are going to lean on him.

 

[Jmm124567]

In regards to that 1:20am text message it's possible the details are wrong because I just came across an interview Longo did with Anderson Cooper a few days ago and in it Anderson asks about the texts and Longo says "were still trying to figure out the actual time those messages were sent and try to get a sense of where they were sent from if we can." Anderson also asks if HG and JM previously knew each other and Longo said "we are not aware of any preexisting relationship they had" so it is possible they may have known each other.

 

[Madison418]

Oh right, sorry, but they have issued an arrest warrant for reckless driving correct?

 

[ptandj]

At the presser, Longo said to look for JM at the four corners of the nation and beyond. LE doesn't know where JM is anymore

A number of people have speculated that they do know and aren't saying given that they haven't released details of the "missing" vehicle.

 

[jamicat]

Well we don't know if he retained this lawyer or not.
and the way this is unfolding Id think if he had retained him this Lawyer would hold some kind of press conf Like the guy in the AHernandez case. My clint says he has nothing to do with this etc etc etc.... Not run away JMO

I find it very heartbreaking that this case is STUCK where it is because this man wont talk?

The way things are today I don't think JM would get crucified or railroaded I actually think today they would do everything by the book with Kid gloves....

Any Lawyer would take this case Pro bono.

so if he has nothing at all to hide why the silence? This part I do not understand.

What don't you understand about this? If he spoke to a lawyer, any criminal lawyer would likely tell him to be silent. And they know best what a person should do in such a situation. He was the last person to see this missing person, the police have seized his car, searched his apartment, put his picture on the Missing poster of Hannah Graham, even as they fully admit that they don't have enough info to arrest him for his involvement in this case, and that all they have is that he's the last person they can trace to Hannah. Lawyer is saying that best thing for him is to lie low--already he didn't do that, racing off the way he did in the car, and now giving LE grounds to book him.

He does have some things to hide. He gave alcohol to an underage female who was looking disoriented on film. He probably did try to pick her up. Maybe he succeeded. He could be innocent of anyting other than that to guilty of killing her and disposing of the body, with a whole spectrum in between, and right now the cops have nothing on him. Anything he gives to them, unless it's proof of innocence is likely going to tighten the noose around his neck. The track record of how black men have been treated in the south in such cases is abysmal, and frightening. So of course he's going to be protecting his hide.

Frankly, in most such cases, someone like him, last one to be with missiing person, car right there, there is something to hide, in fact everything to hide. No surprise he isn't talking unless he has to. The instant that there is a shred of evidence that harm likely came to Hannah, JM is likely to get charged with some serious things, as bad as Murder 1. Of course, he is going to be silent. That is the best thing for HIM to do. Not Hannah, not her parents, not LE, but for HIM. And we should also keep in mind, he might well be innocent of anything more than having that drink with her. I personally doubt it, but it is possible.

 

[pinkandgreenmom]

Didn't JM tell LE that they had a couple of drinks then went their separate ways? It seems to me that's not what Longo wanted to hear so he's,imo, putting public pressure on Matthews. Now before anybody jumps on my case ,we don't know what other info Longo has that might disprove what Matthews had told him.
This also came to mind , is it possible that by making Matthews a POI ,all the focus will be on him and the public(esp UVA students) are being put at ease that an unknown predator is not on the loose?

Did JLM tell the police he bought her a few drinks? I am under the impression that the only place we've seen this is in the Daily Mail, and that he told that to his mom, who told it to his grandma, who told it to the Daily Mail. Can someone clarify that for me?

 

[Madison418]

Thanks! I'm new here so don't have the lingo down just yet.

 

[Topcat]

JM is really bringing all of this on himself by trying to elude speaking with LE.

What innocent person does that?

If he does have a lawyer then his lawyer can be right there when LE interviews him.

He is sure not acting like a person who has nothing to hide. Imo, he does have something to hide and that is why he is playing the cat and mouse game with LE.

IMO

bbm..We don't live in a perfect world where there is no injustice. Peoples rights have been violated in the past and sometimes there is an air of mistrust with government and law enforcement. An innocent person might say or do something that can be misconstrued either willfully or innocently. We are possibly seeing it in this case with the White Guy. Our rights have to be protected and that's why a lawyer,imo, should represent anyone involved directly in a criminal case.

 

[TravelingBug]

I would rather he have said--well, there are some things we know that we can't share right now, but I am certain based on evidence that we have the right guy. JMO

And then we'd be in the opposite discussion like happens in the cases where that does happen. With people crying out for LE to reveal more, saying they don't think they really have anything or they'd be saying it or having arrested someone, etc.

Just like if they hadn't released his name, just that warrants were executed or something, there'd be people saying the public needs to know who it is, that they might have information if they knew who was being looked at, etc. and his name would be out there anyway because it's rarely hard to find them. Never mind that there'd still be major speculation about if he were involved or what LE considered him, and silence in those situations, especially in cases attracting as much attention as this one, can make public speculation turn into a frenzy of another sort.

 

[Jmm124567]

Eh? It's nothing to do with race and everything to do with JM being the last person seen with Hannah. If he was white and refusing to talk to LE I have no doubts that Longo would be just as passionate and just as driven.

While we are all aware that JM is innocent until proven guilty we all know that doesn't mean he has nothing to do with Hannah's disappearance. He could very well be the reason LE can't find her. He could be completely innocent. But he's refusing to help LE and so the police are going to lean on him.

I agree. But I guarantee you JM see's it as being about race and may be scared to talk since he is black and she is white