VA - Johnny Depp's defamation case against ex Amber Heard, who countersued #4

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  • #581
In a burst of rage at my bestie (he wasn’t there), I can once remember banging a standing fan so hard on the ground its base broke down to the secret hidden cement. Being attacked by extremes would make me angry - I was very susceptible to physical discomforts like estrogen surges, extreme hunger, and extreme heat; but I never hit anyone on account of it.

I feel you with the heat!. Nothing can make me quite as b*tchy and unreasonable as being too hot. I would much rather be cold if I had to choose.

My Dad once got so angry with me on a trip to the zoo (I was the very definition of spoilt brat that day!) that he slammed his umbrella down on the wall and it broke clean in half o_O. I had never seen my Dad angry and I don't believe I ever did more than once again,the second time was my doing too :oops::D.
 
  • #582
I already sense a division between the AH defense team and the PR man. It seems to me that he is the one directing photographers to capture the tissue wiping fake tears, and her overly done dramatic sad face poses. The PR team has been working overtime this past week, giving statements and interviews to MSM outlets which have the unique qualifiers of " sources close to AH". They are attempting to repair some serious image problems. I believe the attorneys attempting to do their job on AH's team, have been pushed to an extreme by the new PR team, and are none too happy. It shows, IMO.

Add to that....is AH ....who really does not like to be told she is 'wrong'.....and there is some real trouble brewing. Court resuming tomorrow will be interesting to watch...on all sides.
I agree with this, I was watching testimony from a YouTube trial lawyer a couple days ago, and he said frankly, that no lawyer would choose this dramatic and high a bar for their client to clear without the client was insisting upon it, client clearly thinking they had some kind of real slam dunk genius case-winning ideas in their back pocket… I forget what quieter technicality-type defense route he said he would have chosen in the shoes of EB, but it wasn’t this, IMO, YMMV.
 
  • #583
I agree with this, I was watching testimony from a YouTube trial lawyer a couple days ago, and he said frankly, that no lawyer would choose this dramatic and high a bar for their client to clear without the client was insisting upon it, client clearly thinking they had some kind of real slam dunk genius case-winning ideas in their back pocket… I forget what quieter technicality-type defense route he said he would have chosen in the shoes of EB, but it wasn’t this, IMO, YMMV.

I tend to agree with the YouTube trial lawyer .. The way things have gone, I think her attorney is going to lose some business after this case. She could have taken a much better approach .. lead her into the next question instead of letting her sit there with that god awful crying face (with no tears) and staring at the jury .. and sometimes repeating the same words over and over trying to get some kind of reaction from the jurors.

Are we to believe that AH told her attorney .. hey just leave this up to me .. I am a great actress and I want you to just stand there for 5 minutes while I pretend to cry? Do clients have that much power? EB is not doing herself any favors as far as I'm concerned.
 
  • #584
I tend to agree with the YouTube trial lawyer .. The way things have gone, I think her attorney is going to lose some business after this case. She could have taken a much better approach .. lead her into the next question instead of letting her sit there with that god awful crying face (with no tears) and staring at the jury .. and sometimes repeating the same words over and over trying to get some kind of reaction from the jurors.

Are we to believe that AH told her attorney .. hey just leave this up to me .. I am a great actress and I want you to just stand there for 5 minutes while I pretend to cry? Do clients have that much power? EB is not doing herself any favors as far as I'm concerned.
I think there is only so much you can do with a client like AH. I think her attorney has done a reasonable job of putting out some potentially damaging info. In the end however, I think that the damage will rest largely, or at least equally, with AH.
No one "wins" in these type of situations. No one. It will be a pyrrhic victory all around.

Just my amateur opinion and speculation
 
  • #585
I think there is only so much you can do with a client like AH. I think her attorney has done a reasonable job of putting out some potentially damaging info. In the end however, I think that the damage will rest largely, or at least equally, with AH.
No one "wins" in these type of situations. No one. It will be a pyrrhic victory all around.

Just my amateur opinion and speculation

I agree with that .. no one wins in these situations .. I was always told "no one wins except the attorneys" and I am a true believer of that. But a question as to "there is only so much you can do with a client like AH" .. there were a lot of times that nothing was being said or added to her response .. in my opinion it was awkward, dead space .. there was nothing being added to the testimony .. couldn't EB have gently lead her on to the next question?
 
  • #586
I agree with that .. no one wins in these situations .. I was always told "no one wins except the attorneys" and I am a true believer of that. But a question as to "there is only so much you can do with a client like AH" .. there were a lot of times that nothing was being said or added to her response .. in my opinion it was awkward, dead space .. there was nothing being added to the testimony .. couldn't EB have gently lead her on to the next question?
I am following the summaries of the trial but stopped watching it b/c I found it so vulgar. JD looks appropriately uncomfortable and embarrassed by all this, but AH seems to be relishing the limelight, no matter how disgusting the subject matter is.

Amateur opinion and speculation
 
  • #587
I tend to agree with the YouTube trial lawyer .. The way things have gone, I think her attorney is going to lose some business after this case. She could have taken a much better approach .. lead her into the next question instead of letting her sit there with that god awful crying face (with no tears) and staring at the jury .. and sometimes repeating the same words over and over trying to get some kind of reaction from the jurors.

Are we to believe that AH told her attorney .. hey just leave this up to me .. I am a great actress and I want you to just stand there for 5 minutes while I pretend to cry? Do clients have that much power? EB is not doing herself any favors as far as I'm concerned.

I agree with that .. no one wins in these situations .. I was always told "no one wins except the attorneys" and I am a true believer of that. But a question as to "there is only so much you can do with a client like AH" .. there were a lot of times that nothing was being said or added to her response .. in my opinion it was awkward, dead space .. there was nothing being added to the testimony .. couldn't EB have gently lead her on to the next question?
Someone on CourtTV did say that civil attorneys are not known for having much trial experience, clients tending to settle before the trial stage; and that some in fact have zero, in which case Brown Rudnick definitely wins the competition because they are a huge multinational law firm with experts in everything to rely upon; and to some extent EB almost has to be heavily outclassed.

One might say it’s in fact pretty nice of the legal channels not to keep harping upon some ‘David and Goliath’ angle that flatters AH and her team, and postulates the outclassing of lawyers because Johnny Depp has got comparatively bottomless pockets or similar.
 
  • #588
Is anyone expecting a bombshell (or very strong) evidence drop from AH during the remainder of this trial??

Absolutely not. There are no bombshells here.

This 2022 defamation trial is just a very sad and very tawdry and very dreary revisiting of the 2020 libel trial and the grim, infantile dysfunction at the heart of both of them.
 
  • #589
Absolutely not. There are no bombshells here.

This 2022 defamation trial is just a very sad and very tawdry and very dreary revisiting of the 2020 libel trial and the grim, infantile dysfunction at the heart of both of them.
Yes, this is a sad, hot-mess. I hesitate to post here because I truthfully am still neutral. I know my position goes against the general consensus and I fear my fellow WS members will toss rotten tomatoes my way for not yet placing all blame on AH.

Taking a chance to ask this question: Does anyone think JD was at least 40% responsible for this mess? (covering my head and ducking).
 
  • #590
I think she’s always been a hitter.
A conceited raging diva.
Her ex assistant said she treated her mother horrible & her sister like a dog.
Would be a real koo if Whitney turned on her. Hey, I’m sayin’ my prayers , twice!


MOO
 
  • #591
I am following the summaries of the trial but stopped watching it b/c I found it so vulgar. JD looks appropriately uncomfortable and embarrassed by all this, but AH seems to be relishing the limelight, no matter how disgusting the subject matter is.

Amateur opinion and speculation

I don't think she has any self awareness at all!
 
  • #592
Yes, this is a sad, hot-mess. I hesitate to post here because I truthfully am still neutral. I know my position goes against the general consensus and I fear my fellow WS members will toss rotten tomatoes my way for not yet placing all blame on AH.

Taking a chance to ask this question: Does anyone think JD was at least 40% responsible for this mess? (covering my head and ducking).

For what happened in their relationship? Maybe not 40% but yes,he absolutely shares the blame. He doesn't come out of this smelling of roses,although I do give kudos to him for knowing that and putting it out there anyway to clear his name of what she has accused.

For her deliberately and calculating going after his reputation and making false allegations because he finally said no to her,no not so much.

I wont throw any rotten tomatoes at you though ;):D
 
  • #593
Yes, this is a sad, hot-mess. I hesitate to post here because I truthfully am still neutral. I know my position goes against the general consensus and I fear my fellow WS members will toss rotten tomatoes my way for not yet placing all blame on AH.

Taking a chance to ask this question: Does anyone think JD was at least 40% responsible for this mess? (covering my head and ducking).
Hi Chelly, No tomatoes from me. I always like to hear everyone's opinion, even if different than mine. I admire your courage too because it is obvious most on this thread support JD, including me. I believe Johnny is Zero percent responsible the same way I believe Travis Alexander was Zero percent responsible. Both men are/were not perfect, but both men became tanlged with very dangerous women.
 
  • #594
Since I've been unimpressed with JD's legal team, I'm not expecting anything great on the cross of AH. Hopefully, I'm wrong about that.
 
  • #595
To my knowledge, I do not think they charge DV for emotional or verbal abuse. Like one of officers testified .. It's not illegal to have an argument with your spouse. Of course I am not a lawyer so I may be wrong .. This is nothing more than an educated guess and MOO.

I do believe that JD would have never called names or spoken to her the way he did if she had not provoked him, taunted him, and continued to berate him. A person can only take so much. I think his verbal outbursts were done from a reactive standpoint. Not saying it's right, but saying I understand. Also MOO.
I agree. Her lawyers are trying to set up the premise that she's a domestic violence sufferer because of Emotional and Verbal abuse. They keep saying there are 'different' kinds of abuse. I guess that's in case the jury doesn't believe DV or SA, but I would discard emotional and verbal before I even get to her DV or SA claims simply because she wouldn't let Johnny walk away from an argument. If you don't let someone walk away, then you can't be all hurt and abused if they start talking emotionally "abusively" to you. I'd even reason that it's false imprisonment not to let JD walk away from an argument.
 
  • #596
Yes, this is a sad, hot-mess. I hesitate to post here because I truthfully am still neutral. I know my position goes against the general consensus and I fear my fellow WS members will toss rotten tomatoes my way for not yet placing all blame on AH.

Taking a chance to ask this question: Does anyone think JD was at least 40% responsible for this mess? (covering my head and ducking).

In what way is JD responsible for 40% of it? Which 40%?
 
  • #597
I wish the owner of the home in Australia would come to testify that there was never an old fashioned wall mounted green phone.
 
  • #598
Yes, this is a sad, hot-mess. I hesitate to post here because I truthfully am still neutral. I know my position goes against the general consensus and I fear my fellow WS members will toss rotten tomatoes my way for not yet placing all blame on AH.

Taking a chance to ask this question: Does anyone think JD was at least 40% responsible for this mess? (covering my head and ducking).

No tomatoes from me either! lol To answer your question .. the only blame that I lay on JD is that he seen the red flags and went forward with marrying her (without a pre nup) .. against the advice of people that cared about him and could see what was happening from the outside.

I was going to say that I placed a small blame on him also for continuing to be walked on and continuing to put up with her behavior .. but I am well aware of how hard it is to get away from someone like that. I have no doubt that he doubled down on trying to make things better because she was very good at convincing him and people that loved him that he was the one that had a problem. She may have fooled him for a short time, but she sure didn't fool the others. Once you've lived through it or (witnessed it in my case), you can spot it a mile away. As soon as I heard her voice on the recordings, I knew .. MOO and I have to say .. win or lose .. I'm glad he is standing strong and doing what's right.
 
  • #599
Yes, this is a sad, hot-mess. I hesitate to post here because I truthfully am still neutral. I know my position goes against the general consensus and I fear my fellow WS members will toss rotten tomatoes my way for not yet placing all blame on AH.

Taking a chance to ask this question: Does anyone think JD was at least 40% responsible for this mess? (covering my head and ducking).

Aww @Chelly !! I promise not to throw any tomatoes! I have come to enjoy your banter and your views....especially during trials. (We all had so much fun during the sad and long-in-coming Mark Redwine trial).

I have said before, that there probably won't be any real "winners" in this trial. It's the truth that I would like to see win in the end. As of now, I am more of a believer of JD's truth, than AH's. Your being much more neutral than I is admirable, and certainly not worth tossing a rotten tomato at. Trial Junkies Unite!!! Peace
 
  • #600
No tomatoes from me either! lol To answer your question .. the only blame that I lay on JD is that he seen the red flags and went forward with marrying her (without a pre nup) .. against the advice of people that cared about him and could see what was happening from the outside.

I was going to say that I placed a small blame on him also for continuing to be walked on and continuing to put up with her behavior .. but I am well aware of how hard it is to get away from someone like that. I have no doubt that he doubled down on trying to make things better because she was very good at convincing him and people that loved him that he was the one that had a problem. She may have fooled him for a short time, but she sure didn't fool the others. Once you've lived through it or (witnessed it in my case), you can spot it a mile away. As soon as I heard her voice on the recordings, I knew .. MOO and I have to say .. win or lose .. I'm glad he is standing strong and doing what's right.
When I think about what to fault JD for, I take his name and replace it with "she." Because if he was a female, no one would hold him responsible for not finding a way out. No one would find him responsible for not seeing the red flags. No one would fault him for believing his abuser could change or he could handle it. No one would fault him for suffering in silence.

I do agree with you, and I do wish he'd been able to see the red flags and have the courage to get rid of her before it got this far. The signs were apparently there since they met.

I strongly feel that if society is going to assign fault to JD, who I feel was abused, then society must start finding fault in situations with other victims, too. Is society prepared to do that?
 
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