VA - Johnny Depp's defamation case against ex Amber Heard, who countersued #4

[katydid23]

I agree about bruises getting worse. My point was that her lawyer kept swearing by Arnica cream as if it was the end all be all to cure bruises. Her lawyer kept asking Issac if AH was wearing it all week. Well, the cream is supposed to help diminish bruises, and if she's slathering it on like her lawyer claims, why is the bruise worse? Her team sold Arnica cream and that's a question I'd like the jury to ponder.

ARNICA: Overview, Uses, Side Effects, Precautions, Interactions, Dosing and Reviews

Learn more about ARNICA uses, effectiveness, possible side effects, interactions, dosage, user ratings and products that contain ARNICA.

www.webmd.com

The active chemicals in arnica may reduce swelling, decrease pain, and act as antibiotics. But arnica can be unsafe when taken by mouth unless it's used in homeopathic dilutions. Homeopathic products contain extreme dilutions of the active chemicals.

People most commonly use arnica for pain caused by osteoarthritis.

It is also used for bleeding, bruising, swelling after surgery, and other conditions, but there is no good scientific evidence to support these uses. Arnica is also used as a flavor ingredient in beverages, candy, baked goods, and other foods.

 

[wasnt_me]

ARNICA: Overview, Uses, Side Effects, Precautions, Interactions, Dosing and Reviews

Learn more about ARNICA uses, effectiveness, possible side effects, interactions, dosage, user ratings and products that contain ARNICA.

www.webmd.com

The active chemicals in arnica may reduce swelling, decrease pain, and act as antibiotics. But arnica can be unsafe when taken by mouth unless it's used in homeopathic dilutions. Homeopathic products contain extreme dilutions of the active chemicals.

People most commonly use arnica for pain caused by osteoarthritis.

It is also used for bleeding, bruising, swelling after surgery, and other conditions, but there is no good scientific evidence to support these uses. Arnica is also used as a flavor ingredient in beverages, candy, baked goods, and other foods.

Wait. It's used as flavoring but harmful if taken by mouth....Of course, unless diluted. Well, I'll pass.

Thanks. This is really why I want the defense to hammer them for repeatedly bringing up this cream. I don't think anyone has made sure the jurors know what it is and with her using the WRONG name, it's all convoluted at this point.

 

[Aussieboy]

I agree .. and it makes me mad when I hear people call this mutual abuse. I don't think they would ever say that if he was a female. And just to make sure my point is clear .. I said that he DID see the red flags (because some of this happened before they were married) and he went ahead and married her without a pre-nup and thought it would make her feel more secure. But I also know how convincing they can be .. so it doesn't surprise me.

The problem is that a lot of academics go off statistics, and men are less likely to report any form of DV as it's considered less manly. The figures are skewed towards the female being the victim in the relationships, and there for it makes it less likely in text book terms that the male is ever a victim.

 

[katydid23]

Wait. It's used as flavoring but harmful if taken by mouth....

My understanding is you can only use a very small amount as a flavoring agent.

 

[khaki]

Haven't read yet

Amber Heard, Elon Musk, and a Multimillion-Dollar Mystery

Testimony in the Depp v. Heard defamation trial — and emails uncovered by Rolling Stone — reveal cozy ties between the stars and the charity

www.rollingstone.com

this article makes me so angry, I hope the ACLU pays the price for their unethical behavior, what a slimy organization....a terrible slap in the face to the noble principles on which that organization was founded

 

[rebelchild]

in the long form recording of the Australia video, which has not been deemed admissible but which is out there, we learn at the end, IMO, exactly how and why AH was able to tape.

At the end, we hear the following: a., AH voice getting incredibly loud; b., the unmistakable sound of duct tape ripping; c., a very loud clunk as, IMO, the cell phone is falling to the ground.

IMO, at some point she very clearly and specifically hid the phone from him with some duct tape she packed; then pressed ‘record’, some time between the ending of the fight and her getting sedated by Nurse Debbie; which IMO, also dovetails perfectly with all her audible clomping around during the process - she was desperate to find a time when the brigade was neither finger searching nor cleaning, in order to sneak in and get the phone out of there.

I agree! and I listened to the whole thing what do you think her reason was for taping after the fight was over? Do you think she was going to try and see what Johnny told his team about what happened? Or what?

 

[squareandrabbet]

Haven't read yet

Amber Heard, Elon Musk, and a Multimillion-Dollar Mystery

Testimony in the Depp v. Heard defamation trial — and emails uncovered by Rolling Stone — reveal cozy ties between the stars and the charity

www.rollingstone.com

Finally some mostly truthful reporting…

On June 29, 2020, Rolling Stone has learned, Depp’s legal team sent the first of six subpoenas to the ACLU to hand over records regarding a $3.5 million donation reportedly made by Heard. But the organization repeatedly stonewalled Depp’s team, forcing the actor to petition a New York court to compel the nonprofit to turn over a cache of documents.

‘A’ New York court, by the bye, is none other than the NYS Supreme Court… he wasn’t giving up until he got them.

According to testimony in the defamation trial, the ACLU wound up writing the op-ed and pitched it to the Washington Post, with a member of the communications team writing, “Wondering if we might interest you in a piece by Amber Heard (who, as you may recall, was beaten up during her brief marriage to Johnny Depp), on what the incoming Congress can to do to help protect women in similar situations.” It was a curious pitch considering one of the organization’s chief aims is to protect the right to due process. “The ACLU’s core belief is that people are innocent until proven guilty, and in 2018, these were allegations, not proof,” says University of San Francisco School of Law professor Lara Bazelon, who recently addressed the ACLU’s ties to the Heard-Depp case in an op-ed for The Atlantic. “For them to write to the Washington Post and say Amber Heard was beaten by Johnny Depp is convicting Johnny Depp before any court had. Their job is to presume innocence because that’s what the Constitution requires. So, these communications where they’re going to bat for her seem wildly at odds with what they’re supposed to be doing.”

And here, again, we get the specious ‘sources close to’ the actor… wonder if it’s possible for his team to subpoena her lawyers for their alleged 6 million dollar fees?

Heard’s team declined to comment about why she testified in the U.K. trial that she had donated the full $7 million to charity, but a source close to the actress claims that she has been forced to spend $6 million of her own money defending herself against Depp’s suits. A Depp spokesperson counters: “Ms. Heard had the entirety of the divorce settlement in her possession for well over a year before Johnny began any legal proceedings against her. Within five minutes of receiving the funds she could have written a check to support sick children at the CHLA and advance the cause of the ACLU, but she did neither, all the while publicly claiming it had already been done.”

It’s about dang time for the cause of humanity for someone to start evaluating AH and the ACLU, IMO.

 

[rebelchild]

That’s because she didn’t ‘remember’ it, until she saw the picture Ben King took of the bottle she was complaining she had not seen in a data dump until last week.

I remember this, because someone said Brown Rudnick objected to her cavilling that the photos didn’t appear until ‘so late’ in discovery, like Ms. Lagging Metadata should talk, lol.

the more she speaks, the more I become convinced that JD’s classic insult, ‘she’s more full of than a Christmas goose‘, is 100 percent justified.

That was me that stated that .. but it was CV that objected and the judge sustained the objection.

 

[squareandrabbet]

I agree! and I listened to the whole thing what do you think her reason was for taping after the fight was over? Do you think she was going to try and see what Johnny told his team about what happened? Or what?

That’s a super good question… I’m so sad the tape isn’t admissible. A trial attorney (again on YT) opined that court would have no problem waiving the privilege of the deceased bodyguard; for my part, I wonder if someone is reluctant to do it lest the doctor and nurse be held liable by someone for openly saying ‘if police come. we will cover for Amber’…

As it’s almost assuredly Amber who did the recording, who amongst us would be surprised to find that she started it before the fight, and then just lopped off the portion in which she thought she sounded bad?

 

[fred&edna]

Wait. It's used as flavoring but harmful if taken by mouth....Of course, unless diluted. Well, I'll pass.

Thanks. This is really why I want the defense to hammer them for repeatedly bringing up this cream. I don't think anyone has made sure the jurors know what it is and with her using the WRONG name, it's all convoluted at this point.

Me too. Actually, there are SO MANY things AH and her legal team have stated that JD's team can hammer and poke holes in but knowing they are limited on time it will be difficult to get it all in. I'll be officially fretting for them as the trial progresses.

 

[rebelchild]

That’s a super good question… I’m so sad the tape isn’t admissible. A trial attorney (again on YT) opined that court would have no problem waiving the privilege of the deceased bodyguard; for my part, I wonder if someone is reluctant to do it lest the doctor and nurse be held liable by someone for openly saying ‘if police come. we will cover for Amber’…

As it’s almost assuredly Amber who did the recording, who amongst us would be surprised to find that she started it before the fight, and then just lopped off the portion in which she thought she sounded bad?

I think so too! You know there had to have been more recording before everyone got there because once they arrived she wouldn't have had time to hide and tape up her phone..

and didn't she testify that JD is the one that pushed record and she didn't even realize it? she must feel safe lying about that because she knows the jury will never hear that recording or be able to listen to her ripping the tape off of it and dropping the phone at the end.

 

[Teche]

Yes, this is a sad, hot-mess. I hesitate to post here because I truthfully am still neutral. I know my position goes against the general consensus and I fear my fellow WS members will toss rotten tomatoes my way for not yet placing all blame on AH.

Taking a chance to ask this question: Does anyone think JD was at least 40% responsible for this mess? (covering my head and ducking).

Chelly, not throwing tomatoes. I enjoy your thoughtful posts and viewpoint.
I have never seen any of the many movies that JD has been featured in nor any of the couple of pieces that AH was in. Both JD and AH have serious addiction and family of origin issues.
IMO, AH did not live up to the confines of the divorce agreement by upping the ante and broke the terms of the agreement and began the the defamation of JD’s character.

In my past life, I worked as a counselor who dealt with individuals and families struggling with substance abuse and dual diagnoses but lacked the financial means and their encourages. When I close my eyes and listen to the witnesses, it brings back memories of sitting through my client sessions.

 

[Aussieboy]

Chelly, not throwing tomatoes. I enjoy your thoughtful posts and viewpoint.
I have never seen any of the many movies that JD has been featured in nor any of the couple of pieces that AH was in. Both JD and AH have serious addiction and family of origin issues.
IMO, AH did not live up to the confines of the divorce agreement by upping the ante and broke the terms of the agreement and began the the defamation of JD’s character.

In my past life, I worked as a counselor who dealt with individuals and families struggling with substance abuse and dual diagnoses but lacked the financial means and their encourages. When I close my eyes and listen to the witnesses, it brings back memories of sitting through my client sessions.

I was going to bring the drug abuse up as well, as I've had first-hand experience with it also. The drug fuelled bender in the Australian home must have been horrific for the both of them, as all the core issues of the relationship would have emerged all at once, and terribly. It was a tough pill to swallow for JD after he had left his beautiful French wife and kids for someone that keeps on mentally bashing him to the ground. It was just a toxic relationship that should have ended much sooner than it did.

 

[rebelchild]

Does anyone remember if JD testified about a physical altercation on the train? and what he said about it? I'm listening to one of the audio recordings that mentions it but I can't for the life of me remember him testifying to it.

 

[squareandrabbet]

Does anyone remember if JD testified about a physical altercation on the train? and what he said about it? I'm listening to one of the audio recordings that mentions it but I can't for the life of me remember him testifying to it.

I do seem to remember that, but I think they cut him off early with an objection.

Bodyguard Malcolm King definitely talked about it.

 

[rebelchild]

I do seem to remember that, but I think they cut him off early with an objection.

Bodyguard Malcolm King definitely talked about it.

Thank you! I will check out his testimony. I know I remember something being said about it and maybe a photo being submitted .. I just don't remember what or if JD testified about it.

 

[squareandrabbet]

Thank you! I will check out his testimony. I know I remember something being said about it and maybe a photo being submitted .. I just don't remember what or if JD testified about it.

Yes, the photo definitely shows up vis-a-vis the Malcolm King testimonial.

He's the one who says he took it; as well as the one who cracked that it looks as if "either Johnny ran into a door; or the door ran into him", when he was being questioned about it.

For the record, I'd seen the photo already; and yes, it occurs during the time when AH says JD and she previously had a knock-down, drag-out fight culminating in "his shirt wrapped around my neck"; and yet, he's the only person who shows the ravages of said fight, though it's only newspaper it seems, so not particularly well defined.

She, conversely, looks like one perfect facial and neck column of "Light" foundation 101.

You will know this photo because JD is in white tie and tails; and they are in fact posing in a private dining car with some members of the Orient Express staff.

 

[squareandrabbet]

Wait. It's used as flavoring but harmful if taken by mouth....Of course, unless diluted. Well, I'll pass.

Thanks. This is really why I want the defense to hammer them for repeatedly bringing up this cream. I don't think anyone has made sure the jurors know what it is and with her using the WRONG name, it's all convoluted at this point.

IIRC this was one of the things JD team successfully managed to pry out of Gina Deuters the next day ("do you know what arnica cream is?"), before AH team got her kicked off with their dirty tactics.

Of course, the jury was instructed to ignore all of her testimony; but at least it provided a signpost.

I also think we might be pleasantly surprised/satisfied at the things JD team brings out on cross this week.

 

[Cindizzi]

Interesting quote by Jerry Bruckheimer in this new interview today.
“ the future is yet to be decided “

Although JD has said he will not work for Disney for all the money and alpacas in the world ( I’m paraphrasing of course).

https://twitter.com/x/status/1525751650505351168

 

[squareandrabbet]

Interesting quote by Jerry Bruckheimer in this new interview today.
“ the future is yet to be decided “

Although JD has said he will not work for Disney for all the money and alpacas in the world ( I’m paraphrasing of course).

https://twitter.com/x/status/1525751650505351168

Frankly I wouldn't blame JD if he said no; that's kind of cowardly and bench-sitting of Bruckheimer.

Admittedly I think Jerry in fact came out and stood up for him heartily when the finger incident was first being discussed; and probably had reason for his feelings to be a little hurt, after he discovered JD had in fact lied to his face.

Hollywood is all about money, though, which is why JB said what he said, I think.

Nobody wants to be the first person to stick out their neck for you; once you become the conquering hero, all the others agree it's acceptable to come out of their gopher holes to support you; and of course nobody wants to offend the potential future mogul on top of the world.