VA - Joseph Ryan shot, Christine Banfield stabbed, both deceased, in home - Herndon 24 Feb 2023

[petunia5743]

The bailif sitting behind the defendant is missing his 80s stache to complete the young Burt Reynolds look he's got going on. LOL

He looks like a young Steve Buscemi!

 

[LifeIsAMystery]

Body cam footage damaging to defense. He said on 911 call that he was tendering aid. Remember CB lived until she arrived at the hospital. BB taking the stand could really go sideways for him.

 

[LifeIsAMystery]

He looks like a young Steve Buscemi!

He looks like he has opinions about the defendant! Jmooo.

 

[LifeIsAMystery]

I wonder if his DNA was under CB’s nails?

 

[LifeIsAMystery]

I’m going to watch it but is there any footage after leaving for the hospital?

Yes, this is that.

 

[Luna20]

Yes, this is that.

Was this shown in court? Some of the detectives and medical staff must have recognized that there was no water coming from his eyes. There literally wasn’t a tear.

He is a bad actor and I’m sure he thought that no one would see this footage. The fake hyperventilating is so obvious. Just like JM did in front of the house.

 

[LifeIsAMystery]

Was this shown in court? Some of the detectives and medical staff must have recognized that there was no water coming from his eyes. There literally wasn’t a tear.

He is a bad actor and I’m sure he thought that no one would see this footage. The fake hyperventilating is so obvious. Just like JM did in front of the house.

LE was immediately dubious and you can see the way the medical staff is regarding him. I think he kept his face down deliberately.

I look forward to his taking the stand.

RIP Joe & Christine, hopefully justice is coming.

 

[LifeIsAMystery]

The degree to which he wanted his wife to suffer can’t be overstated, her final moments were terror and then betrayal imho. Then he literally slotted the au pair in as mommy the same day of the murders and then tried to destroy Christine’s reputation and memory. Evil. Jmoo.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2014793387900063844

 

[Luna20]

LE was immediately dubious and you can see the way the medical staff is regarding him. I think he kept his face down deliberately.

I look forward to his taking the stand.

RIP Joe & Christine, hopefully justice is coming.

Good point. He squirms in court when the camera is on him. Initially he didn’t make eye contact but now I think he is realizing how guilty he looks so he is painfully trying to manage his demeanour.

 

[tricia]

Body cam footage damaging to defense. He said on 911 call that he was tendering aid. Remember CB lived until she arrived at the hospital. BB taking the stand could really go sideways for him.

This YouTube channel is an approved source now..JusticeIsAProcess is the name and they offer up clips from trial livestreams and also post full trials.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I think the reason it's not riveting is because there's really only one witness able to tell the story.

You have all these logs from the website that don't really mean anything unless JM is giving the narrative because it was done on Christine's laptop when she was home. Without JM, there's no way to prove it wasn't Christine.

It's like when you go to a seminar and the same person is talking for 5 hours. It gets boring listening to the same person. Panel discussions are more interesting.

And that one witness is a convicted murderer with a possible sweetheart plea deal who's testifing for the prosecution.
Plus the defense attorney John Carroll comes across like he's on a slow speed tranquilizer.
imo

 

[jeff2034]

Thank you George, he opens with the prosecution lacked "passion" in their opening and throughout and made no emotional connection with the jury that 2 innocent people lost their lives.

The Au Pair Trial Gets Messy | Week One Recap with Big George​

Yes the star witness for the prosecution (JM) is not a particularly good witness in that she has difficulty giving details and is often incoherent with her answers. This may be more due to the language barrier than anything else. But either way she is somewhat difficult to understand - both verbally and logically. I also don't believe the prosecution is doing a particularly good job. For example, when asking JM about what she saw when she went into the bedroom, they did not press her for details. Important questions were never asked such as- Where was JR in relation to CB when she entered the room? (I assume he was on top of her but that was never made clear) Were they on the bed? (it appears they were on the floor due to crime scene photos) Did JR have the knife in his hand went she entered the bedroom? Where was the knife when BB picked it up? Was BB wearing gloves at that time? When and how was JRs body moved and who did that? (apparently there is evidence of blood smears on his body which indicate he was moved after he was shot). One of the few questions the prosecutor asked JM about the scene in the bedroom when she first entered was what did JR look like when BB entered the room and said "stop police". JM said he looked shocked. Not sure why they even asked that or what the significance was of her answer. That question nor the answer seems to be helpful to neither the prosecution or the defense. That seems like a silly question and not necessary when there are so many other more important questions that could have asked. But am not a lawyer so maybe I don't know.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Recap..2 hrs ago

 

[Izzylizzy]

Yes the star witness for the prosecution (JM) is not a particularly good witness in that she has difficulty giving details and is often incoherent with her answers. This may be more due to the language barrier than anything else. But either way she is somewhat difficult to understand - both verbally and logically. I also don't believe the prosecution is doing a particularly good job. For example, when asking JM about what she saw when she went into the bedroom, they did not press her for details. Important questions were never asked such as- Where was JR in relation to CB when she entered the room? (I assume he was on top of her but that was never made clear) Were they on the bed? (it appears they were on the floor due to crime scene photos) Did JR have the knife in his hand went she entered the bedroom? Where was the knife when BB picked it up? Was BB wearing gloves at that time? When and how was JRs body moved and who did that? (apparently there is evidence of blood smears on his body which indicate he was moved after he was shot). One of the few questions the prosecutor asked JM about the scene in the bedroom when she first entered was what did JR look like when BB entered the room and said "stop police". JM said he looked shocked. Not sure why they even asked that or what the significance was of her answer. That question nor the answer seems to be helpful to neither the prosecution or the defense. That seems like a silly question and not necessary when there are so many other more important questions that could have asked. But am not a lawyer so maybe I don't know.

So much to ponder and not good for the prosecution.
Do you remember when JM told the prosecution that she heard "slaps" when she (and BB) were at the bottom of the stairs before they went upstairs?
I may have gotten this wrong and didn't look further for confirmation but I questioned why didn't the prosecution ask more about this?
Was this supposed to be assumed that JR slapping CB?
I would think that CB would be screaming.
imo

 

[Izzylizzy]

Peter made a point of what prosecutors could have been thinking when agreeing to the plea deal for JM which his dad George does not agree with.
If JM does get the "time served" deal then she would be
deported to Brazil.
Problem is if the judge does give her time, up to 10 yrs, she would still be deported after serving it.
imo

 

[jeff2034]

So much to ponder and not good for the prosecution.
Do you remember when JM told the prosecution that she heard "slaps" when she (and BB) were at the bottom of the stairs before they went upstairs?
I may have gotten this wrong and didn't look further for confirmation but I questioned why didn't the prosecution ask more about this?
Was this supposed to be assumed that JR slapping CB?
I would think that CB would be screaming.
imo

I agree- when JM made that statement there were no follow-up questions. Questions like What you mean by 'slaps'?" What did you interpret that sound to be from? Did you hear anything else? Did you hear screaming? You would think in that situation she would've heard something more than just that. I don't know maybe the lawyers think less is better from her?!

 

[Izzylizzy]

I agree- when JM made that statement there were no follow-up questions. Questions like What you mean by 'slaps'?" What did you interpret that sound to be from? Did you hear anything else? Did you hear screaming? You would think in that situation she would've heard something more than just that. I don't know maybe the lawyers think less is better from her?!

Yes, "less is better" so let's try and present JM to the jury as the lesser of 2 evil murderers.
Did the prosecution ever mention that 2 innocent people were brutally murdered while questioning JM?
imo

 

[Tortoise]

Yes the star witness for the prosecution (JM) is not a particularly good witness in that she has difficulty giving details and is often incoherent with her answers. This may be more due to the language barrier than anything else. But either way she is somewhat difficult to understand - both verbally and logically. I also don't believe the prosecution is doing a particularly good job. For example, when asking JM about what she saw when she went into the bedroom, they did not press her for details. Important questions were never asked such as- Where was JR in relation to CB when she entered the room? (I assume he was on top of her but that was never made clear) Were they on the bed? (it appears they were on the floor due to crime scene photos) Did JR have the knife in his hand went she entered the bedroom? Where was the knife when BB picked it up? Was BB wearing gloves at that time? When and how was JRs body moved and who did that? (apparently there is evidence of blood smears on his body which indicate he was moved after he was shot). One of the few questions the prosecutor asked JM about the scene in the bedroom when she first entered was what did JR look like when BB entered the room and said "stop police". JM said he looked shocked. Not sure why they even asked that or what the significance was of her answer. That question nor the answer seems to be helpful to neither the prosecution or the defense. That seems like a silly question and not necessary when there are so many other more important questions that could have asked. But am not a lawyer so maybe I don't know.

Some of those points were asked and answered in Julian'a testimony. I think in relation to Juliana describing Joe looking shocked, from my point of view, it would be because that was likely in her account to police and it's the prosecutor's job to set the scene with as many of her observations as available, to give the account as much credence as possible. It's the sights and senses that make the retelling of an account believable or not. In my experience liars tend to forget to give those little details, because they never saw it and forget to imagine it. IMO

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Q. And what did you see when you went into the bedroom?
A. When we first get into the bedroom I could see the bed, the bed we have in the master bedroom was kind of tall, and so from my point of view all I could see was like Joe, at the moment it was Joe, like on top of Christine in a way I would only describe holding her down. And that was my first view as soon as I get into the bedroom.

Q. Were you able to see Christine at all at that point?
A. At that point no.

[...]

Q. After Brendan shot Joe, did anyone say anything?
A. If anyone said anything?
Q. Yes. Did anyone say anything in the room at that point?
A. Yeah, because Brendan ran to Christine, [bbm] she was still on the floor, and I, at that point she had, she had seen me, and she said, she asked 'what did you do?' to Brendan, I think regarding to he shot Joe, and she said my name, she told me 'Juliana call 911'.

[...]

7.07.36
A. And I just started telling him he's moving, he's moving, he's behind you and that's when I fired the shot too.
Q. That's when you, could you say that again?
A. I fired.
Q. And when you say you fired, you fired what?
A. A gun.
Q. The gun that was where?
A. In my, that I had, in my pocket, the handgun
Q. Did you hit anyone?
A. Yes
Q. Who did you hit?
A. Joe.
Q. What happened after you shot Joe?
A. After I shot him he falls back
Q. Did you see Brendan touch Joe's body after you shot him?
A. Touching, touching, no.
Q. Did you see him interacting with Joe or Christine after you shot Joe?
A. Well he was still stabbing Christine and he had, there was, he got her blood, in a handful of blood and he starts dripping on, on Joe's body.
Q. Did you ever call 911 again?
A. Yes.
Q. Why did you call 911 again?
A. I called 911 again when he told me, Brendan told me he was ready for me to call.

 

[Megnut]

And that one witness is a convicted murderer with a possible sweetheart plea deal who's testifing for the prosecution.
Plus the defense attorney John Carroll comes across like he's on a slow speed tranquilizer.
imo

Borrowing the idea from someone else, I can't help but wonder if was trying to put a juror to sleep. In the hope of gaining a mistrial.

I can't ignore either how he's introducing these documents. Misnaming, ministering, trying to admit ones which have previously been denied, trying to admit ones that -- while previously admitted in whole and clean -- have his witness' markings on them. I watched an attorney attempt this in another trial, a partial copy of a report that was sealed by another Court and ruled on by trying Court. Very underhanded. I hope nothing like that is happening here.

Monday should be telling.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

I agree- when JM made that statement there were no follow-up questions. Questions like What you mean by 'slaps'?" What did you interpret that sound to be from? Did you hear anything else? Did you hear screaming? You would think in that situation she would've heard something more than just that. I don't know maybe the lawyers think less is better from her?!

I think that's exactly it. The more they ask of her, the more she can go rogue. If she goes rogue, that's more occasions to be less than credible. If the jury finds her knees then credible, they can choose to reject some, none, any and all of her testimony. The State needs the jury to find her credible so IMO it's best for them to elicit the important facts from the case without giving her any room to embellish.

JMO