VA - Meghan Landowski, 16, raped & murdered, Portsmouth, 10 April 2008 #1

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  • #401
I agree...very interesting. It isn't every day someone approaches a man in such a manner and wacks them. No robbery, no carjacking, and nothing to point to a motive for the killing at all. It does sound like a hit.

IMO, this is related to Meghan's case, and possibly the recent indictments I spoke of earlier- can anyone research if that indictment is open and if the vic is named in it anywhere, Lt. Cox I believe?
 
  • #402
Blink, the person questioned after Meghan's death was listed in the media as a Lt. The man that was killed the other night while walking was only listed as an officer. They didn't give his rank. Only that he was an office in the aviation maintenance dept. I thought it a little strange that they listed office but didn't tell what type. I'll have to check the papers this morning.

noZme, it does seem like there are a lot of crimes in this area but you have to remember it's not just Portsmouth. It's seven cities that comprise Hampton Roads, Portsmouth, Chesapeake, Virginia Beach, Norfolk, Newport News, Hampton and Suffolk.

The pizza delivery man shooting was so sad (as if they aren't all). My daughter's bf used to work with him at Papa John's. Any time they had a delivery in the area he was shot in, he would get my daughter's bf to take it because he told him he was afraid of that neighborhood. My daughter's bf quit about two or three weeks ago so this man had to take that delivery that he dreaded and it ended tragically. I'm sure the SOB that did it only got a few dollars. Certainly not worth taking someone's life.
 
  • #403
Okay guys, this officer murdered is a Lt. after all. I hope if he is the guy that did this to Meghan that whoever put the hit on him gets away with it. I'm sorry for the kids that were with him but that's about it. IF and that's a big IF he is the one.
 
  • #404
I know I'm grabbing at straws here but maybe this Lt. knew something about the one questioned. Maybe the other Lt. had this done. If he is a big enough 🤬🤬🤬 to kill Meghan or have her killed who's to say he wouldn't kill other witnesses (or have them killed).
 
  • #405
I was doing some research for a few cases, and I made an excel document with the numbers of missing female teens current ages 12-23 yrs old....who went missing from 01/01/05 thru 4/27/08, sorted by state, also added populations for each state....I don't know how to upload a excel document for people to see or look at.....

It is very interesting though and I have to say something is up in Virginia for sure. VA is #12 as far as Population Numbers.....as of 2006 the population in VA was about 7 1/2 million for the total of the state....

The only state where there are more missing/runaways listed than VA, is Florida and the population there is about 18 million......Here is a small breakdown..Sorry if I made it confusing...lol...

California....36 1/2 million population.....75 total missing female teens.....5 of which are Family Abductions....current age 12-23 yrs old,missing between 2005-2008


Texas.......23 1/2 million population.......46 total.....2 of which are family abductions...12-23 yrs old, 2005-2008


Virginia......7 1/2 million population........105 total teen females missing......the breakdown on this one from the website was different.....74 missing(circumstances not known???)
only 29 as runaways........
 
  • #406
dimples, I'm not sure what you're getting at. Meghan isn't missing.

There are parts of Virginia (especially Virginia Beach and Norfolk) that are very transient because of the military and Virginia Beach being a resort city. I'm not sure if that would have something to do with the number of teens, especially female, missing.
 
  • #407
It's like this at the end of winter though. Seems like every year when warm weather hits and people come out of their "caves" things go nutty for a month or so. This year Virginia Beach led off with a mass shooting early in the year. Portsmouth gets singled out alot here from people in the neighboring cities, and unfairly so. I really wasn't raising my hackles - moreso just saying that of all the areas I've lived, this area is really pretty safe (I've been in Chicago, Philadelphia, Milwaukee, Northern New Jersey around Newark, Atlanta and now here). Here there are seven cities clustered together and it's not so much like seven individual cities as it is one really really big one. Geographically it takes up the whole south eastern corner of Virginia. Most of us that live here look at the area as a whole and not so much "this city". It's a nice area really, little too hot in the summer for my liking but all in all it's not a bad place to be. People are friendly, not a lot of crime, decent jobs (though with Ford leaving and NAS Oceana on the bubble of destruction - we seem to be slipping a bit there).

There has been more, at least seemingly more crime this year than in years past. Largely crime rates seem to echo the economical realities that we all face daily. When the economy takes a downturn, crime takes a bit of an upturn. I guess it could be that there is more stress placed on people so they're faster to reach the boiling point. I think it's everywhere and not just here, especially in larger areas.

As far as the name - when I registered I had just made some of the fudgiest, chocolate-y-est brownies the world has ever seen, they were so sweet they were almost inedible (but I'm tough, I managed to find a way :) ). I was sitting here and asked myself, what's a good name, I took another bite and "mmmmmmbrownies" was born. :)


mmmm: i apologize... my statement was insensitive... didn't mean to slam your town. scanning the local media for updates on meghan's murder seems i have seen at least one killing a day... elderly couple at beach, pizza driver, sidewalk shooting, etc. the truth is, i do not know the per capita crime rate in your town or my own. i live in a smallish town and population numbers make all the difference.


i enjoy reading your posts. you show feeling but try to be fair and your comments are well thought out. i believe we joined websleuths about the same time and according to the number of posts i see beside some names... we are newbies!

and about your name... couldn't you have chosen something like llll-licorice or something else that i do not like? i have to fight the urge to jump up, run to the kitchen, mix up some cocoa, sugar, flour, butter ..... mmmm warm brownies and cold milk!
 
  • #408
I know I'm grabbing at straws here but maybe this Lt. knew something about the one questioned. Maybe the other Lt. had this done. If he is a big enough 🤬🤬🤬 to kill Meghan or have her killed who's to say he wouldn't kill other witnesses (or have them killed).

Like most of you, I'm going on record to say this is a hit, and it is related to Meghan's case- were there any links on this today?
 
  • #409
I thought I had posted it earlier. It doesn't really say much than we already know except in this article it does say that he is a Lt. in the Navy.

His obituary:
http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/content.detail/id/506903.html

Article with picture:

http://hamptonroads.com/2008/04/navy-man-walking-fiance%C3%A9-identified-slaying-victim

No arrests:

http://hamptonroads.com/2008/04/no-arrest-slaying-navy-officer-norfolk-funeral-tuesday

In one comment on one of the articles a neighbor says it isn't gang related. Another poster comments that it is. I don't think they really know but it was strange how the article said that the person stepped out of the truck (how many gang bangers ride around in a truck? Unless they meant an SUV), shot Cox at point blank range and continued to shoot him after he fell to the ground. Wouldn't you think if it were random or gang related they would have shot the other adult witness and possibly the children?
 
  • #410
I thought I had posted it earlier. It doesn't really say much than we already know except in this article it does say that he is a Lt. in the Navy.

His obituary:
http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/content.detail/id/506903.html

Article with picture:

http://hamptonroads.com/2008/04/navy-man-walking-fianceé-identified-slaying-victim

No arrests:

http://hamptonroads.com/2008/04/no-arrest-slaying-navy-officer-norfolk-funeral-tuesday

In one comment on one of the articles a neighbor says it isn't gang related. Another poster comments that it is. I don't think they really know but it was strange how the article said that the person stepped out of the truck (how many gang bangers ride around in a truck? Unless they meant an SUV), shot Cox at point blank range and continued to shoot him after he fell to the ground. Wouldn't you think if it were random or gang related they would have shot the other adult witness and possibly the children?
sorry it i missed it, in a time bind today.. No description of a perp that shot someone in front of several witnesses, in broad daylight, make me believe this is an execution more than a hit. In other words, LE does not fear public safety, may n ot know the "why" yet, and perhpas someone else or others may be at risk until an arrest is made. The only thing I can say for sure is I am unaware of any "random" case of this nature.
 
  • #411
I would hate for anything to be said here implicating this girls family, other than the normal implications that would surround this murder. Those would be there anyway, without anyone saying anything. The talk of the serial killers and professional, semi professional, or amatuer hits and executions seem a bit far reaching. If (if is the most contingent word in the english language) the shooting is related, then I wouldn't jump at it being a "hit", I would initially think revenge. What if it isn't related though, then we're essentially firing off a rumor here and adding to the issues that are already there. Myself, I call it intriguing only because of proximity and time, other than that, I have to operate on the principle that it is not related.

As it stands now, the naval officer that was shot in Norfolk is just another senseless murder that we living in the United States are becoming accustomed to seeing. A modern day philosopher who's name escapes me said, "The United States is a country that in 200 years went from barbarism to decadance with no civilization in between", murder is a sad part of our culture, we have more violent crime than any other nation on the planet. The microcosm's that we all live in say "it can't happen here" but it can, it has and it will continue to.

Why would no one be able to recognize the shooter? People are not reliable eyewitnesses, and in a situation like that the wife and kids and bystanders are more apt to look at the victim and not the shooter. In all liklihood fear and shock would have overridden the instinct to look at who's doing it to identify them and center on the victim.

Personally, I would like to see whomever did this caught and punished (and in my eyes they'll probably never be punished severely enough) for what they did. It does worry me though that by jumping with accusations that have a far rippling effect (since you can read these posts without being a member of this board) we may be adding to the ferverent rumormill.
 
  • #412
I agree Lizzybeth...
Not a day goes by that I am not consumed by this. I have had to stop myself from driving by her house the last 2 days on the way home from getting my daughter. Of course, yesterday, I saw forensics at the 7 eleven on the corner of Portsmouth Blvd and City Park, getting a slurpee. Made me wonder what else they were trying to obtain that they did not get previously. I did not feel very hopeful.

I live in a nice area, but last night, my dogs wanted to go outside and I was terrified of letting them out for fear that when I opened the back door, somebody(s) would be hiding in my back yard waiting for me to open the door and bust in and do the horrible killing to my family. Needless to say, I woke my hubby up and explained why I was afraid to let the dogs out. For some reason, I seem to think there are a group of thrill killers out there who got there first crime under their belt and are looking for more. I derive this therory from something I heard again, might be roomer, but apparently the killer(s) wrote her friends names on the wall in her blood. This reminds me of the Charles Manson murders. They did not stop at one. I hate this fear. I have been praying not only for the killer to be found, the family to be able to find some type of relief was the killer is found, but I also pray that I will release my fear. I hate living in this fear of the fact that I could be next? kwim?

Whoa! Let's not get carried away. The notion that it's a serial has to be bolstered by many things. The single most important thing that sticks out in my mind for that is - there has to be more than one.

Let's look at it for what it is and what we know.

It is a terrible and by all accounts brutal murder of a young girl. It is an extraordinarily sad thing that happened to (by all accounts since I don't know them personally, though I have no reason to doubt they're any different than myself and my family) a good family in a nice neighborhood. She was a minor and that is undoubtedly the reason there has been no further word on anything from the police. It smacks of a rage killing moreso than anything else, and rage killings are directed at someone and there is a reason for them happening. It doesn't appear random at all, the neighborhood is relatively quiet, there's not many police running here (at least not more than you would expect when something like this occurs). There are sex offenders in the neighborhood, but I don't know of many areas that have a population over 75,000 people that don't have at least one. We have more since the jail is nearby as well. The sex offenders in this area have been convicted of non violent crimes, heinous as a sex offense is, I didn't read one that was of a violent nature (and I've read them all, I make a point to every 6 months or so because I do have a young'un).

Serial murders, while grisly, have certain elements to them. I haven't even heard in rumor anything that would suggest that to me. Going by the definition of serial murder, as Robert Ressler defined it (he's the originator of the term based on very specific criteria) the manson murders were spree murders not serial killings. Incidentally he is a terribly fascinating man, and I highly recommend all of his books.

http://www.robertressler.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ressler

Sorry it took a couple days to reply brownie- I was at Relay 4 Life in my town and was up for over 40 hours- still cant see straight!- Oh well, great cause (ACS)
Ok Brownies, I take back the use of the word 'serial murderer". I agree, it was a wrong choice of word. I do agree however, that unless there is an arrest or suspect named soon, I feel that LE should be warning people that there is a dangerous predator on the loose.

There are a few contracdictions to that like the fact she was nervous, due to testify, and then shows up dead. I agree that there were porbably thousnads of 'easier' targets to track and kill in the daytime (ie. senior citizens). I agree that NCIS HAS to have someone in mind or else they just dont HOP to help kocal LE in SWAT/stakeouts. I understand your area is a highli military populated area, but come in, either give some type of clue or WARN these people to be darn caregul and keep their doors and windows shut!!!

Gayle, I dont bame you for feeling uneasy. Im sure if the residents in your town arent admitting it, they are feeling it and doent want to say anything- IMO- who wouldnt? My goodness, if this was so 'random" a they ar trying to make it sound with exvidece, then be careful- not trying to scare you, just agreeing with you!
 
  • #413
I agree...very interesting. It isn't every day someone approaches a man in such a manner and wacks them. No robbery, no carjacking, and nothing to point to a motive for the killing at all. It does sound like a hit.


Odd that the man let the woman see his face. Have you heard if he was masked? Even the kids may be able to id hin since they were from previous marraiages and maybe not too young?? Thiese types of hits dont happen too often in broad daylight.

Alsom Do any if yo locals know if your LE/DEA/FBI drive large, black, un-marked SUV's? In my area they do and come from out of the Sacramento office. Even the local parole officers have them- You can spt them a mile away- Wonder if it was an inside job since they were so brazen?
 
  • #414
IMO, this is related to Meghan's case, and possibly the recent indictments I spoke of earlier- can anyone research if that indictment is open and if the vic is named in it anywhere, Lt. Cox I believe?


I agree also,- It is just too coincidental for it not to be- I hope we are wrong, and I will be the first to wipe the egg off my face if I am :eek:
I do think that 2 totally senseless, very rare crimes could very well be comitted and connected. Someone had to covering something up for no POI yet, and for her molester to walk free while pending trial.

Something doesnt sounf right in Portsmouth.
 
  • #415
Our DEA drive cars which some of have been confiscated in past drug deals. I found this out quite by accident one day when I was leaving my house to see mysterious cars around my neighborhood. I didn't like the looks of things and I called LE only to find...it was them and not the drug dealers themselves. They raided a house not far away, but the cars they used were deceiving to the dealers...just didn't slide by me. LOL
 
  • #416
Our DEA drive cars which some of have been confiscated in past drug deals. I found this out quite by accident one day when I was leaving my house to see mysterious cars around my neighborhood. I didn't like the looks of things and I called LE only to find...it was them and not the drug dealers themselves. They raided a house not far away, but the cars they used were deceiving to the dealers...just didn't slide by me. LOL

Hi SS~
I was just curious becasue Im sure some of ours do also, but Im only about an hour from Sac., and that is where is the closest DEA and FBI field offices as well as any other gov. led drug agencies ran out of our capitol. They favor those luxury SUVS (and Ive seen BBoxer, and ASchwartz, and DFeinstein in them also in my town)

This doesnt sound related to me, but the timing, the quietness of LE/media, and the boldness. In fact, the hush-hushness (new word lol) of both cases makes me wonder.

Any locals know if they keep military case quiet or di they usually release more info in your area? TIA :blowkiss:
 
  • #417
I don't have any idea what they drive for certain. However, I know I see a lot of black suvs when we see things happening across the country on television at crime scenes. :)
 
  • #418
I don't have any idea what they drive for certain. However, I know I see a lot of black suvs when we see things happening across the country on television at crime scenes. :)


YEP- Those would be the ones :crazy: :crazy:

I have been up almost 2 days straight for Relay 4 Life (ACS fundraiser/24 hr walk-a-thon) and Im BUSHED!!! I will see ya tomorrow- Have a good night!! :blowkiss:
 
  • #419
Hi SS~
I was just curious becasue Im sure some of ours do also, but Im only about an hour from Sac., and that is where is the closest DEA and FBI field offices as well as any other gov. led drug agencies ran out of our capitol. They favor those luxury SUVS (and Ive seen BBoxer, and ASchwartz, and DFeinstein in them also in my town)

This doesnt sound related to me, but the timing, the quietness of LE/media, and the boldness. In fact, the hush-hushness (new word lol) of both cases makes me wonder.

Any locals know if they keep military case quiet or di they usually release more info in your area? TIA :blowkiss:

Sealed like a drum until all loose ends are tied, they do not have the same "judicial due process" system we have if they have jurisdiction. This crime seems to fall under local LE so far, but the minute it smacks of other naval involvement if that is the case, it will be hush-hushed until the arrest, etc.. and NCIS will be in control. While I do not like that, there are same cases in terms of security clearances that makes it necessary, to be fair, imo.
 
  • #420
Sealed like a drum until all loose ends are tied, they do not have the same "judicial due process" system we have if they have jurisdiction. This crime seems to fall under local LE so far, but the minute it smacks of other naval involvement if that is the case, it will be hush-hushed until the arrest, etc.. and NCIS will be in control. While I do not like that, there are same cases in terms of security clearances that makes it necessary, to be fair, imo.
How is it so different from LE? Most make it a practice to do the same. I don't find any solice in them being so closed on information. It does protect the wrong people in light of what has actually happened at times.

This is one case that I feel everything should be shared publically or they should be ready for the famly retaliation. You have a girl that possibly was a victim to one of their own...and you have a victim that had a horrific death.

They should be forthcoming on the suspect and help solve the case.
 
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