Found Deceased VA - Morgan Dana Harrington, 20, Charlottesville, 17 Oct 2009 - #7

[Waddles]

There are no video camera's setup inside or outside the venue, and it wasn't a head wound, according to LE, she fell/slipped and cut her chin on something.

As far as the pocketbook, if it were the only thing she was carrying it's hard for me to believe that she accidentally dropped it and didn't notice immediately, unless she was out of it.
Anything is possible, but most women would recognize if their pocketbook fell off their shoulder/back while walking.

Agreed, mind you I must admit back in the day I was always leaving my phone or purse at the bar if very inebriated at weekends in the bar or club. Or dropping the phone or purse and spilling its contents everywhere. My ex would lose phone after phone this way. She was also apparently seen continuously dropping her purse in the parking lot (which I think is one explanation the battery fell out). I personally believe the purse was left there for a reason -maybe she realised she was in danger and left it for some trace of her. But then again the possibility she just dropped it or that a perp left it there is plausible too.

 

[MeoW333]

I have been told by someone who is in contact with investigators that AS was one of them, but not yet sure about the other...I must stress though that this person has said that LE had by then (2 days ago) absolutely no reason to jump to suspicions about these 2 or that it had anything to do with MH's disappearance

IMO, LE needs to come out and say that the BB playas where not involved or they were. Otherwise it's open to speculation.

The fact that LE has not said anything at all about the BB players when 2 of them seemed to be very beneficial to the team and they are on leave now..

Maybe it's a case of what LE isn't saying, however with seperate articles about the players' leaves of absences from the team, and seperate articles about Morgan being seen talking to the BB players by witnesses..

If LE can actually go public and clear the BB players then at least we can rule them out. I wish they would so we could narrow the case down. LE has not and they have not said they have nothing to do with Morgan missing either..

 

[Bobbisangel]

I don't see why the "3" BB players are lumped as "one"....they each had a car
what if ONE of them came back for Morgan...without the knowledge of the others?

Have they searched their cars? Why no more info on this??

I think the LE and family have downplayed Morgan's condition...it sounds more and more like she may have been impaired

I also question the friends....what is the real story here?? why did a friend have her keys?? why did she leave the arena??

when she called the so called "friends" didn't anyone question WHY she was outside the gates??

This case has odd earmarks of "tip toeing" around ...I hope the LE is doing some hard questions here

I think that you are right. I have always had the same questions. I can't figure out why a bright young lady like Morgan would be hitchhiking. She had to be aware of the danger. I wonder if LE is positive it was Morgan. Why wouldn't she have just hung around outside and talked to people while she waited for her friends? Even if she had gotten to the town her car was at she couldn't have driven it without the keys.

 

[MeoW333]

I keep thinking that the BB players provide "alibi" for each other...what if two of them are innocent and giving truthful info....but ONE of them is not?

it would only take ONE

if all 3 were involved they may have broken down by now..the one less involved might have cracked or felt remorse or ...

it is hard to keep a conspiracy going it seems...but if ONE of them came back??

I have not heard anything about their cars...and that is something that has been bugging me. The fact that each of them has his OWN car nags at me.

If there are 3 involved, 1`or 2 of them could be blackmailing the 3rd to not talk or they will get him kicked off the team?
Basketball is very important to these guys, they make it in college, they have possibility to go pro, it's their life.

 

[Waddles]

IMO, LE needs to come out and say that the BB playas where not involved or they were. Otherwise it's open to speculation.

The fact that LE has not said anything at all about the BB players when 2 of them seemed to be very beneficial to the team and they are on leave now..

Maybe it's a case of what LE isn't saying, however with seperate articles about the players' leaves of absences from the team, and seperate articles about Morgan being seen talking to the BB players by witnesses..

If LE can actually go public and clear the BB players then at least we can rule them out. I wish they would so we could narrow the case down. LE has not and they have not said they have nothing to do with Morgan missing either..

I'm puzzled about these things too. They've known for a very long time who she last spoke with so surely we would know by now-or are they still just gathering info and don't want it to be known they're under the radar but it's coming out in sleuthers sites. Did these guys happily come forward with their sighting at the RV lot since it was so early on or did LE figure out who it must have been and when. Don't know.

 

[Le Singe]

And suspiciously returning to the scene of the crime, where they can be spotted, and when they could easily dispose/bury/ or keep the purse? Interesting, to say the least. I wonder if this is common behavior of abductors. (going back to the scene and intentionally planting misleading evidence. Seems risky)

1. not so risk if you were going back to the area b/c it was normal for you to be there and if you were some one who might be looked at in the case it maybe less risky than holding on to it.

2. (this is a long shot but..) what if you where the one who turned in the purse no way for anyone to know for sure where you found it.

 

[MeoW333]

I have been told by someone who is in contact with investigators that AS was one of them, but not yet sure about the other...I must stress though that this person has said that LE had by then (2 days ago) absolutely no reason to jump to suspicions about these 2 or that it had anything to do with MH's disappearance

Waddles who were you told by?
What position are they? You don't have to answer or you can be vague.

I tend to not believe things said unless they are said by LE or accurately reported qouting LE said them.
Forgive me for being a skeptic..

 

[MeoW333]

Why is everyone acting like it's tantamount to saying "she deserves whatever happened" to admit she was probably impaired?? After reading everything for weeks now it seems like MH and her friends were serious partiers. MH being "impaired" is the logical cause for all the unexplained behavior.Maybe the friends were used to this(hence the lack of panic when she went off)Planning on getting "impaired" is the most obvious reason for the others to have the keys. In our blame the victim view of crime keeping this secret is essential to garnering public sympathy.I for one ,firmly believe ANYONE even a wasted 20yr. old girl is entitled to basic safety.

If she was impaired, thats more reason her friends should have been keeping an eye on her, IMO. Wasn't one of the friend designated driver and that's why she had Morgan's keys?
Back when i was young and we had partiers in the group, we'd keep an eye on them the most as they were impaired and need the most watchfulness.

If impairment isn't the reason for her behavior, it may be panic/fear.

 

[peacelover1950]

I am shocked no surveillence outside. yikes!
ok, thanks a chin wound.
yes, I agree!

From what I understand from someone who has worked at the JPJ Arena, there is definitely video surveillance outside to the point where they can see minute detail if they need to.

 

[MeoW333]

Maybe after meeting the basketball players they assaulted her and she tried to run and dropped her purse in a struggle after which she runs to the bridge thinking she'll be okay if she finds other people, noone ever comes along and the bb players abduct her? Maybe that's why she was hitchhiking because she felt it would be safer to hitch a ride than to stay around those guys. Maybe she was scared. Do you think it was possible that that would have been the brightest route( in terms of light) back to civilization so she went that way instead of going back to the concert? Hastily thinking because she was afraid fro her life?
Also maybe they teased her too by taking her battery so she couldn't call anyone?
It could have started out slightly innocent and turned into something very different. I think someone needs to look at the bb players more. JMO.
I wonder if she knew one of the bb players and thats why she told her friends she would find a ride. Just because you think you know someone doesn't mean you truly know them.

Heroine, i agree with your logic.
Her actions could have been made out of panic and fear.
Maybe not necessarily the BB players, it could have been someone else following her or acting strangely towards her in which she interpreted it as danger, or immediate danger. Fear and Panic will make people do strange things.

 

[MeoW333]

From what I understand from someone who has worked at the JPJ Arena, there is definitely video surveillance outside to the point where they can see minute detail if they need to.

Did LE see Morgan on it? If they did they don't seem to mention what they've seen..
If she was outside you'd think she was definitely on the surveillance cameras. Another way they know for sure she was at the arena at all, would be they saw her on the camera there.

 

[Le Singe]

Well presumably the eyewitness accounts cited by LE come, in part, from those very UVA basketball players. So they wouldn't have had to circle back for her; they could have abducted her and then made up the hitchhiking story.

There is no evidence yet that she may have been intoxicated. Let's wait and see on that one.

I, too, would like to know if they searched the cars of the UVA basketball players. And how long after the disappearance that was performed.

But if she was abducted It is more likely that it was by an individual so I think people are talking about if a group of players is walking see's her interacts with her then go on to the dorm or w/e then one of them doubles back gets his car and grabs her.

 

[MeoW333]

Agreed, mind you I must admit back in the day I was always leaving my phone or purse at the bar if very inebriated at weekends in the bar or club. Or dropping the phone or purse and spilling its contents everywhere. My ex would lose phone after phone this way. She was also apparently seen continuously dropping her purse in the parking lot (which I think is one explanation the battery fell out). I personally believe the purse was left there for a reason -maybe she realised she was in danger and left it for some trace of her. But then again the possibility she just dropped it or that a perp left it there is plausible too.

I could see losing a phone while dancing and not realizing. As for a purse or pocketbook, i used to never bring one anyone (still don't) i just cram things into my pockets or my partner holds onto them for me.

I know a lot of kids go to bars or concerts with just ID and money on them. At shows or concerts, excess baggage to bring can just get in the way. However with the outfit Morgan was wearing, it doesn't seem she had pockets, so i understand her choice on bringing a pocketbook.

 

[MeoW333]

But if she was abducted It is more likely that it was by an individual so I think people are talking about if a group of players is walking see's her interacts with her then go on to the dorm or w/e then one of them doubles back gets his car and grabs her.

I wonder if, when she was talking to the BB players she was asking for directions somewhere or how to get to someplace like an atm, or conveince store, fast food. During that they gave her directions and also would know the direction she would be going.

Then what you said comes into play, one of the doubles back around to where she'd be walking. Maybe he drives past her slow and she recognizes him and sticks out her thumb (kidding around)? That is if she was hitchhiking at all..

The whole hitchhiking things seems to divert attention away from the RV lot where she was last seen talking to the BB players.. the sighting after that was the Copeley Rd bridge where she was seen supposedly hitching.

 

[part time prof]

I have a few pages to catch up on -which limo driver-the driver who saw MH walking through the parking lot as stated by our WSer?

There was a story on a UVA hoops blog that I saw quoted (I think) on the FB page.

But I'm clearly dizzy from all this and though I know what I've read, I don't always remember where.

I just did a google search trying to find it, and also looked around the FB wall and discussions a bit, but no luck.

 

[Le Singe]

Why is everyone acting like it's tantamount to saying "she deserves whatever happened" to admit she was probably impaired?? After reading everything for weeks now it seems like MH and her friends were serious partiers. MH being "impaired" is the logical cause for all the unexplained behavior.Maybe the friends were used to this(hence the lack of panic when she went off)Planning on getting "impaired" is the most obvious reason for the others to have the keys. In our blame the victim view of crime keeping this secret is essential to garnering public sympathy.I for one ,firmly believe ANYONE even a wasted 20yr. old girl is entitled to basic safety.

I am not saying that it is the same as blaming the victim. What I have been saying is that if people think an individual was doing something that unduly put them at risk then they are less likely to be as interested in the case and less likely to want to get involved. This is very clear if you watch what cases get media coverage and what cases do not. So I am saying I think LE and the family is playing coy publicly with this B/C it is the best thing to keep public interest in the case. I don't think anyone on here cares if we talk about it and most of us agree that it should not matter, but I’m sorry if you look at cases relative to how they are report and how much interest they get details like this matter. So I think it is the right thing to do for the family and LE to publically paint as sympathetic a picture as possible.

 

[Le Singe]

Has anyone seen confirmation that AS, the player who was suspended for 3 games for "missing a practice for personal reasons" and JT, the player who is on "indefinite leave" to deal with personal issues were 2 of the 3 players MH interacted with that night? Limo driver described tall black men, and it has been confirmed it was UVA basketball players (and I think 3, though I saw someone say 4...I think it was the 4 guys then the 3 basketball players).

3 cars makes sense if they drive to practice and don't live together.

If they were the eyewitnesses to hitchhiking and/or turned in the purse (I've not yet seen the latter one proposed, fwiw), I'm dubious.

AFAIK nothing at all publicly there has been message board posting, but to me that is unrelieble and I would not bases anthing on it one way or the other.

 

[part time prof]

But if she was abducted It is more likely that it was by an individual so I think people are talking about if a group of players is walking see's her interacts with her then go on to the dorm or w/e then one of them doubles back gets his car and grabs her.

And it wouldn't be the dorms, most likely, but Lannigan Field, where they had to park that night (presumably for practice, film session, workout, whatever)...and then LE says they left in their own vehicles (plural, whether 2 or 3)...and if you pull out of Lannigan field and turn right, you cross the Copeley Bridge, so someone getting in your car would have to cross Copeley from the other side where the sidewalk is.

If you turn left out of Lannigan and circled the block - right on Massey, right on Emmet, right on Ivy, you would reach the Ivy/Copeley corner in about 5 minutes. And the end of the bridge is only a short distance (under 20'?) from the corner.

If she had been hanging with whoever, she might have felt safer seeing one of them pull up to give her a ride.

The police report says the purse was reported as being turned in at The Cage and having been found in UHall parking lot. If it was found where we think it was, actually in Lannigan Field parking near the track, I guess The Cage would be the closest official looking place to turn it in, if you wouldn't just call UVA police from the spot where you found it. Maybe it was the only place open (JPJ and UHall are close by, too). But why was it open on a Sunday morning? Is it where UVA athletes work out or practice? Anyone know?

And MH's disappearance may not have had anything whatsoever to do with the BB players or the four other guys, whom I'm sure LE has looked closely at.

 

[Le Singe]

IMO, LE needs to come out and say that the BB playas where not involved or they were. Otherwise it's open to speculation.

The fact that LE has not said anything at all about the BB players when 2 of them seemed to be very beneficial to the team and they are on leave now..

Maybe it's a case of what LE isn't saying, however with seperate articles about the players' leaves of absences from the team, and seperate articles about Morgan being seen talking to the BB players by witnesses..

If LE can actually go public and clear the BB players then at least we can rule them out. I wish they would so we could narrow the case down. LE has not and they have not said they have nothing to do with Morgan missing either..

As far as the first part I think it's possible to not be able to clear someone but not have any solid evidence that they are involved. In this situation they really can't say anything b/c they are liable for whatever they say (remember Olympic park bombing thing) this is particularly true when speaking of someone who may have a future in professional Basketball unfounded accusations could cost him mucho dinaro. Also these acquisitions would paint the university and its athletic department in a bad light and trust me there are plenty of big time supporters (alumni etc.) of these universities that this would be unwise for them to say anything unless they're sure (i.e. people willing and financially able to sue over this kind of thing).

I also would think they would release something if the suspensions had nothing to do with the MH case BUT for liability reasons and possible ncaa/university policy they can't say anything about why the players are suspended and these policies may also keep them for saying what it's NOT.

Alternatively they could have decided that if they even comment on it, it will bring more publicity and more suspicion (not really more but wider spread) than just not commenting.

 

[part time prof]

AFAIK nothing at all publicly there has been message board posting, but to me that is unrelieble and I would not bases anthing on it one way or the other.

Waddles (I think) said AS was indeed one, but not officially confirmed.