Found Deceased VA - Morgan Dana Harrington, 20, Charlottesville, 17 Oct 2009 - #8

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  • #181
Sorry for my last post. I should have researched a little first. It would appear none of the closed down Virginia rest areas are very close to the JPJ arena. Just hoping and praying for Morgan and her family and friends.
 
  • #182
Respectfully snipped:



Great minds think alike! My friend and I have been searching all along the parkway. We have found lots of trash dumping sites and a few dead animals, but nothing else.

We asked the same questions as above to a close friend that is an adminstrator with VDOT. He said there was light snow in the Afton/Waynesboro area that night, but not enough to close the gates. We also asked about the cameras and he said they are live Web Cams and do not record.

The 2 VA Tech students found murdered.. that would be a pair, almost like during the Colonial Parkway Murders.
Here's a link for anyone who wants to read about these cold cases:
http://labyrinth13.com/mirror/VirginiaMurders/index.htm

Metzler and Childs, the VA Tech (thank you for the correction, Wes) young couple recently murdered is also featured at the end of the page.

Regarding these cases, i think there are several SKs at work..
 
  • #183
MeoW333 I think you are on the right track. It could be anything from an accidental OD, to alcohol poisoning, to rough sex, to a delayed trauma injury to the head sustained in the fall; we just don’t know. I don’t think the friends know either. IMO they know what led up to her being outside (meeting a friend, etc.) but that’s it. I think Morgan ended up somewhere she was comfortable being (motel, apartment, dorm) and it went bad from there. Given the cat and mouse game LE is playing here it would be a good guess to assume they have a person of interest in mind but are trying to scare or provoke that POI into making the next move. I hate to say it but it’s almost like they are looking for the body, they already have everything but that.

Ghostmaster, i agree on either one of the above scenarios you mention, or the possibility of the perp being someone who has done this before and has enough skill to pull it off without leaving any evidence or bringing attention to what was going on. All we know of is her purse being found.

If it was an accidental death after she had got to somewhere she felt comfortable, say a dorm or motel, then how would the individual she was with remove her body? In a dorm, there is constant commotion going on. With the award being so much money, it is doubtful that if the perp enlisted someone to help him, he's been told on by now.
Also many motels have cameras, although i am sure there are ones that don't. We know the arena had cameras yet we have no word on whether or not Morgan was seen on them. Supposedly, she wasn't?

As for LE playing cat and mouse, it's like Newton's laws of physics, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
 
  • #184
The 2 UVA students found murdered.. that would be a pair, almost like during the Colonial Parkway Murders.
Here's a link for anyone who wants to read about these cold cases:
http://labyrinth13.com/mirror/VirginiaMurders/index.htm

Metzler and Childs, the UVA young couple recently murdered is also featured at the end of the page.

Regarding these cases, i think there are several SKs at work..

Actually they were VA Tech students. Strange, but there really hasn't been much to go on with that case.
 
  • #185
I've seen a lot mentioned recently about "the nine". I'm sure this was posted awhile back but many may not have seen it. Here's the link to the story about the vigil they held for her at the former H.S. and a video clip of several of the friends speaking.

http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/223567
 
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I was thinking about all this earlier. We are influenced by the press but I'd like to have an idea of how frequent is it to have someone missing without a trace that is clearly not a runaway or suicide and with no factor such as a violent husband or difficult past etc. - as in just completely vanished ...

It does happen, i think a lot of us hearing about it depends on the media and how vocal the family is, the media is about the case in particular. All cases are different. We have the Jamison family of 3 in Oklahoma missing without a trace, there are cases of it.
This case with Morgan they are treating as if foul play is involved and i would take that to mean a perp. The thing is, there is no body. Her pocketbook is found and that's it. There's hardly a crime scene or much that we are privy to know to get from where she was taken to crime scene #2.

I don't know how much it happens, as what may be "a lot" to one person, may be a small amount to another, however i would think it safe to say it happens more than it should happen, which it shouldn't happen at all.
 
  • #188
Earlier we discussed who Morgan would feel comfortable getting into a car with. I keep thinking of that Gray Minivan and the thought occured to me. She would feel very comfortable with a professor or anybody from her college. They would seem like the light at the end of the tunnel to a cold, scared girl. Just exploring all options.
 
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When somebody goes missing there is always something. A disgruntled husband or boyfriend. A shady past. Employment. And then there are the clues. The phone call, the he said she said.

What makes this case so very mysterious is there is none of that. No stalker. No family problems. No employer.

She had a loving family, friends and a bright future. She was a young girl living her life.

It is like somebody said earlier Morgan seems to have vanished into thin air.
 
  • #191
am doing this on behalf of the owner of this board, Tricia Griffiths ... she is making a plea for all WSrs to help immediately !!

URGENT !!

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Please take 3 minutes to read the above link, click the REPLY button, express your support or voice your concerns, click SEND.

Then forward the above link to your email contacts, everyone, everywhere, so they can do the same.

www.klaasKids.org/pg-truckerTV.htm


This may be the most important action you can ever take on behalf of missing children. THANK YOU TO ALL WSrs WHO MAY HAVE ALREADY RESPONDED TO THIS CALL !!
 
  • #192
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MH seems not to have any friends; despite having "her own place," she spent all of her time with her parents, who even micro-managed her checkbook. Her father's gesture of buying the tickets for the "9" may have been a desperate effort to rebuild her former "normal" social life. Maybe the former "9" were not interested in seeing MH even with the offer of a free ticket to see Metallica. If she did ask them to attend, maybe she felt angry and humiliated at their "no" responses --- and full of rage. Maybe the real purpose of her going to the Metallica concert then became to meet up with some forbidden BF at nearby UVA.

Excellent analysis, Walker! BTW, from the beginning I've thought that "six months ago" was both the time (we were told often) that DH bought the tickets to this concert and ALSO the time about which DH said (in the first interview, I believe), that "In the last six months Morgan and her mother and I have really been getting along great" or words to that effect. These "coincidences" back up your theory, I think!
IMO.
 
  • #193
Excellent analysis, Walker! BTW, from the beginning I've thought that "six months ago" was both the time (we were told often) that DH bought the tickets to this concert and ALSO the time about which DH said (in the first interview, I believe), that "In the last six months Morgan and her mother and I have really been getting along great" or words to that effect. These "coincidences" back up your theory, I think!
IMO.
How and what are these things that you are considering "coincidences"?

Posters seem to criticize the "friends" too much; but maybe the girls (and one guy) she was travelling with were not real friends. Esp. in college, the word "friend" is tossed around casually to mean anyone roughly your own age. The more proper term would be mere "acquaintance." Yes, of course, one of the acquaintances was one of the "9" teen pals, but (esp. among the well-to-do) friendships are often "arranged" by the parents. They may not have liked MH very much, but (let's say for example) her parents were an important political connection for so-and-so's parents, and don't we all need pull to get our first jobs ... that's the attitude.

Why do you have a negative opinion of Morgan?
 
  • #194
College girls would be unlikely to just dump the body, and go attend the concert. Let's assume that she was in fact trapped outside the concert. Maybe someone invited her to a "party," where she OD'd, and then died. A bunch of disreputable guys might then dump her body to avoid any trouble with LE. Were there any frat parties at UVA that night?

Posters seem to criticize the "friends" too much; but maybe the girls (and one guy) she was travelling with were not real friends. Esp. in college, the word "friend" is tossed around casually to mean anyone roughly your own age. The more proper term would be mere "acquaintance." Yes, of course, one of the acquaintances was one of the "9" teen pals, but (esp. among the well-to-do) friendships are often "arranged" by the parents. They may not have liked MH very much, but (let's say for example) her parents were an important political connection for so-and-so's parents, and don't we all need pull to get our first jobs ... that's the attitude.

Also, from her pictures, MH comes across as arrogant, cold-as-ice, completely self-absorbed, sarcastic, confrontational, and just plain annoying. (Of course, these pictures might be misleading, since we don't know the circumstances under which they were taken; however, some of the FB photos seem like the only thing in the whole world that she cares about is her resemblance to Paris Hilton.) Can you imagine that you are at a concert waiting for the band to come on, so excited and caught up in the moment, when your "friend" cells you that she has wandered off and wants her keys so that she can leave you stranded over night?

BTW: Her lack of attachment to her car is baffling. Would any normal person 1. let someone else drive their car? 2. give someone else the keys? 3. decide to leave the car overnight about 2 hours from home? And, it was supposedly a really nice 2005 Honda.

MH seems not to have any friends; despite having "her own place," she spent all of her time with her parents, who even micro-managed her checkbook. Her father's gesture of buying the tickets for the "9" may have been a desperate effort to rebuild her former "normal" social life. Maybe the former "9" were not interested in seeing MH even with the offer of a free ticket to see Metallica. If she did ask them to attend, maybe she felt angry and humiliated at their "no" responses --- and full of rage. Maybe the real purpose of her going to the Metallica concert then became to meet up with some forbidden BF at nearby UVA; maybe her parents had threatened to cut her off without a dime if she saw him again. So the evening was in MH's eyes a big joke at her parents' expense. Not only did she see BF whom her parents hated, but she went partying with his whole group (whom they also didn't like). She may have realized why her parents didn't like him for just one second at the end.

Let's hope that no one tries to start a "Morgan's Law," by each each person under 30 attending metal concert must be accompanied by an officially licensed baby-sitter, whose job it is to follow them to protect them from getting themselves killed.


Huh? Sarcastic and confrontational in her pics?
lol
I have no idea what in the heck you are talking about, because I think she looks completely normal in the pics with her friends and family that I've seen. Just because she's a strikingly pretty girl with blonde hair and blue eyes doesn't make her some vapid bimbo like a Paris Hilton wannabe.

JMO
 
  • #195
Thank you for pointing this out. I'm thinking Daddy bought it for her, because she's in school and even used honda's are pricey. When I was that age, my dad bought me a car and I didn't really appeciated. Now, that being said, I was never stupid enough to give my keys away. I have 2009 honda and now that it's mine and I payed for it. I take care of it. Sorry for messing up the quote.:twocents:

Her Daddy, as you put it, probably did buy the car for her when she turned 16.
I saw it in her parent's driveway, and it was a black Honda Civic. Depending on options it could cost under 18K if you get a good deal somewhere.
I'm not so sure Morgan was careless with her car, it seems to me she was more careless with herself. Her car was safe with her friends, and is back home with her parents now. Unfortunately Morgan is not.
 
  • #196
Hi just a thought here.....I wonder if the "friends" have clammed up to protect themselves...not that they are "guilty" of hurting MH, but maybe they don't want the "publicity"??

Maybe there are things about that night that won't look good when they apply to law school, or grad school, or on a job application...things they did that will make meeting future in-laws uncomfortable...???

I really hope they have given ALL the info good/bad etc to the LE...I too find it frustrating that we are not getting that info but maybe they have cut a deal to talk but not have the info released unless it would be actual courtroom evidence?

I have seen other cases where "sideline" people had their reputation and future dragged through the mud

having said that...I will say again that it is ODD that these so called "friends" don't show more emotion or caring or are not out there searching, doing rallies for Morgan etc
 
  • #197
I still say she wanted out. I'm not saying that I'm completely sure she's now missing on her own accord, but IMO, the following things support her running away:
-AJH's interview quote, "I just had to get out of there"
-friends with a caravaning "happy hippie"
-overly-involved parents. Someone else called them "micro-managing" earlier, and I think they were dead on. A 20-year old doesn't give her parents her email password when she doesn't live at home or have to ask them for permission to get online.
-Giving her car keys to a "friend" in advance
-The kiss on the cheek goodbye
-The seemingly no big deal "I'll find a way" phone call
-"Ramble on Rose" painted on her bedroom wall, referencing Grateful Dead song lyrics
-State Police info that she was hitchhiking.

What happened after she crossed the bridge that night (if that's even true), I still can't decide, but in my deepest of hearts, I think she left the arena knowing she wouldn't return.
 
  • #198
I think it's fruitless in trying to guess what is going on behind the scenes at this point. We have no idea if her friends are clammed up or not. Just because they aren't talking to the media doesn't mean they haven't fully cooperated with LE. And maybe as LogicalMinds stated, they could have been engaged in behavior they don't want announced on TV. I'm sure they don't want to admit anything like drugs or underage drinking on TV, especially if it had nothing to do with Morgan's disappearance.
It would just distract from the real issue and make all of them look bad.
IMO.
 
  • #199
Her personality as reflected in the FB photos: Take a look for yourself. The pancake make-up is always on, even when she is just sitting around the kitchen with female family members. She is never just one of the girls. The eyes tend to be confrontational. The attitude of friends is one of determined and saintly patience.

IMO, i wouldn't assume her family to be one of the debutante crowd, i didn't think they would be that rich.
Well-to-do, though. V-Tech, Volvo, "her own apartment," Metallica tickets for nine people, Swarovski necklaces ...

Not to mention her brother hasn't had arranged friendships and seems to be doing fine in NY with what he likes.
How do you know? Among wealthier people, young friendships are frequently arranged. Consider play dates, for example. Or it can be more subtle, such as the family joining certain country clubs, or vacationing at certain resorts ...

If Morgan was close enough with her parents to pick out and outfit ...
Was she overly dependent on her parents?

... and have her father balance her checkbook online, i see no reason for her to hide having a boyfriend.
We just don't know. Maybe she had been seeing someone who really upset her parents somehow. Only one of the "9" actually showed up that night. Could this guy have scared the other "8" off, too? We just don't know.


Both Morgan and her brother seem to be well rounded from what we've heard.
Where did you read that MH's brother was "well-rounded"?

You seem to like to stick up for her friends..
A friendship should include a sense of loyalty & commitment. For whatever reasons, the people she was with were not her friends. "Friendifying" them, and then accusing them of being "bad friends" is unfair.

Let's imagine the scenario: for the sake of your parents, you agree to attend a concert with some girl whom you knew in middle school. She manages to get herself into some sort of terrible mess, and (as usual) to drag you down with her ... Something has happened that is so horrible that you can't believe it's true: she is just gone, maybe murdered, and everyone is now suspicious of you! How would you feel? Would you think that all was fair?

Could you explain what they actually are doing to help find her?
How would we really know?

And also why they wouldn't use the buddy system that night and let their friend who is an attractive female wander off alone inside a huge arena?
Sometimes young women just use each other as "transportation": too scared to walk into a bar/concert/party alone, they pretend to be "friends" and then ditch the others at the first opportunity to pick up a guy.

The only excuses her friends could give that they didn't look out for Morgan is that they are the ones who are self absorbed, or too intoxicated, or just plain didn't care about her. What would you have done differently?
They were all adult women. MH should have been more responsible for herself, and used some common sense. Disturbing her companions just as the main part of the show was starting was totally inconsiderate. Plus, she could have asked for help from a security guard or even a police officer to at least help her put through a call to her parents. Her parents surely would not have minded sending a taxi to pick her up immediately --- no matter what the cost.

As for her not caring about her car, it does happen, there was a girl in my college who would let her friends take her car without her present. (the car was a beater, and usually people aren't as trusting, however many people are very trusting it seems and don't mind their friends using their cars).
Sometimes people resent a gift.

As far as the "9" teen pals go, once kids get to college things change, including their friends and those who they were so close with in high school are suddenly not always so close anymore. Not the case with everyone, however it does happen sometimes.
Also, some of those "friendships" just weren't meant to be. Not good to sentimentalize friendship.

I don't see political connections as we're not dealing with the children of politicians and millionaires here.
You don't have to be a millionaire or a politician to have influence. The Harringtons have been on national TV; yet Kellie "Wednesday" Hall (whose case is somewhat similar) has barely been mentioned in newsprint. The Harringtons have some type of pull, and they are likely well-to-do. Doubtless other parents perceived them as the "right sort" of people.

My main point was that the "friends" were not really friends; rather they were just acquaintances. How do we define friendship? My definition would include loyalty and commitment; however, as stated before, most college students abuse the word "friend" to mean anyone else who is in the same age bracket.

MH seems to have no real friends; however, she may not be unusual in that regard. The college which I attended has had over the years a reputation for an exciting social scene (but serious academics, too); but people who attended other colleges have described to me college experiences of intense loneliness, savage competition, or rampant drug abuse; best not sentimentalize college.

Not to digress from the main topic, but college in general is not the wholesome experience which it is cracked up to be. In the Middle Ages, universities were developed so that scholars could live in communities based on the noble aim of advancing knowledge. Today, 18-year-olds are shipped away to these "dorms" for what purpose? With decreasing academic standards has come waves of violence, including an epidemic of rape (even at my alma mater, which used to be as sweet and innocent as Mayberry); to sum up the situation, we have lost site of our goal: advancing knowledge.

Sometimes people (esp. professional psychology-types) have these rigid constructs of how life is supposed to be, and they try to force people to fit those constructs. Could MH's parents have believed that all college girls must have big social lives? They may have felt very disappointed in MH's apparent failure, but who were they comparing her to? Marilyn Monroe? Madonna? Paris Hilton? Even they have probably spent many Saturday nights alone watching TV. Life can be strange sometimes; maybe MH's academic program was too much pressure, maybe she was afraid that she would never fit in as an elementary school teacher, maybe she was intensely bored.

MH does seem to have an artistic streak, and a seeming mania for being the center of attention: Tamfish mentioned the red dress, when everyone else wore white. She comes across more like a theatre major than a future school teacher. Maybe she wanted to try her luck in drama, but her parents forced her towards a more reliable & lucrative government job. Her brother seems a theatrical type, too. Some possibility exists that she has staged this "disappearance" as a punishment for what she saw as her parents' efforts to control her. Is she hiding in NYC with help from her brother? Or is she holed up in the Key West vacation condo of some very rich VTech student's family? We can only hope so.
 
  • #200
I'm a little confused. Did Morgan's father buy 9 tickets for the concert? If he did do we know how many showed up. Because, in interviews I've seen they don't mention nine friends.:waitasec:
 
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