Found Deceased VA - Morgan Dana Harrington, 20, Charlottesville, 17 Oct 2009 - #8

[Walker]

You seem to have completely missed the point. Attorneys who would do a high profile case would do so for the publicity of it.

You are looking at everything strictly at face value: Fame = Money = Success = being on TV.

How about Effectiveness = protecting client's privacy = impressing other attorneys & professionals = lots of referrals?

 

[wanttohelp]

If he is truly in LE, then it's important he wouldn't go into too many details in the case, even in small talk.
She was scene on camera on line for the bathrooms in the arena. I'm guessing they have her on the bank camera as well, and between those two different times on video, it has locked in an 8:30-9:30pm timeline for them.
We have a text going out to a friend around 9:20pm. If she was to be seen talking to someone in a car, the possibility exists it may be someone she met earlier in the evening who she felt comfortable enough to talk with and or get in their car.
LE may be trying to get all the evidence they can, especially if they have a POI who has a lot of money to hire a good lawyer with. They may want to make sure charges stick.

Valley Residents light candles in honor of Morgan Harrington:

http://www.whsv.com/news/headlines/70726152.html

can we get a link in reference to her on video, at the bathroom.
thanks

 

[wanttohelp]

It may come down to who the bf (of the friend) is... It wouldn't be the first time that someones last name has kept them out of the media. Could be the bf's family is connected.

again, people at ws as well as other sites are very good at finding names. im sure the girls knew other people at the concert, they would knw who the guy was. people talk, gossip gets around, the names are leaked and spread like wild fire. if we got all our info from the media we would have nothing right now.

 

[Walker]

Presence of numerous emergency blue light phones in the area ...

Not familiar with these blue light phones. Who would respond?

 

[eeyorelrn]

Not familiar with these blue light phones. Who would respond?

WE have these phones all over the Univ. of SC campus, Midlands Tech Campus, Columbia College Campus, and even at the RiverWalk. They are like the emergency 911 phones you see on the side of some highways. They generally connect directly to the dispatch of the patrolling agency. Like on the Univ. SC campus, Campus police respond. At the RiverWalk, depending on which part of the trail you are on determines whether Cayce PD, West Columbia PD, or Columbia PD will respond.

At UVa, I would assume that on campus, Campus police would respond, unless Charlottesville Police is responcible for policing the campus and related grounds.

 

[wadahoot]

I just ran across this on the Find Morgan family website. It debunks some of the questions as to whether or not the parents were smothering her or to protective. It sounds to me like this young lady had her head in the right place and an excellent grasp of the real world.

It’s called “My Philosophy of Life” and in the forum section under General Discussion.

My Philosophy of Life, by: Morgan Harrington - Help Find Morgan Harrington

I disagree a wee bit, Ghost. 1) this was obviously written as a school assignment ... where appearance must be kept up and 2) this was written 3 years ago, when Morgan was still in high school and about 17. Much could have changed in the 3 years hence ... she's left home, perhaps started using drugs and/or drinking, grown less close to those who have influenced her previously (the 9), etc.

I do think Morgan is a delightful young woman with much to offer ... but I also recall how much I changed between 17 and 20 and again from 20 to 23. Absolutely no disrespect toward Morgan intended ... just offering up thoughts.

 

[Walker]

Would make more sense if the guy who accompanied the group were actually Morgan's BF, wouldn't it? Then, it might seem more natural that she would trust him to drive her and her guests from James Madison U in Harrisonburg to the concert in Charlottesville that evening, and also just give him the keys to her 2005 Volvo.

Also, her mother claimed that Morgan would most probably have been headed back to Harrisonburg that night, rather than to her place in Blacksberg or her parent's home in Roanoke. That would make sense if her BF were there at JMU.

Possibly the BF felt uncomfortable at the concert for some reason, and left. Maybe there had been some minor altercation between him and someone, and a small scuffle had ensued. Morgan got involved, hence the facial injury. Morgan later left to try and find him, and to persuade him to come back.

Maybe he had taken off in Morgan's car to visit someone he knows at UVa. Maybe her stuff was locked in the trunk of her car; extra tickets, a hoodie, some cash ... So she was confused and didn't know what to do.

Later he returns the car to the parking lot, where the other girls find it around midnight with the key inside the ignition. They figure that Morgan & he must have left it there for them; what else could they think? That's why they just waited around for a while, and then got in and drove the car to Harrisonburg, where they thought they would find Morgan the next day.

 

[wadahoot]

Two things seem to be bouncing around as fact, and I only remember them as conjecture. Could someone please clear these up for me?

1) I thought we (WS posters) were only speculating that Morgan had a camera, not that a camera was really with her.

2) I thought we were of the impression that there were NO photos of Morgan at the arena (at least publically known), thus no photos of her in line for the bathroom.

Help!

 

[MeoW333]

I disagree a wee bit, Ghost. 1) this was obviously written as a school assignment ... where appearance must be kept up and 2) this was written 3 years ago, when Morgan was still in high school and about 17. Much could have changed in the 3 years hence ... she's left home, perhaps started using drugs and/or drinking, grown less close to those who have influenced her previously (the 9), etc.

I do think Morgan is a delightful young woman with much to offer ... but I also recall how much I changed between 17 and 20 and again from 20 to 23. Absolutely no disrespect toward Morgan intended ... just offering up thoughts.

If you take into consideration the other information about Morgan, you might not be of the opinion you are now?

 

[MeoW333]

Would make more sense if the guy who accompanied the group were actually Morgan's BF, wouldn't it? Then, it might seem more natural that she would trust him to drive her and her guests from James Madison U in Harrisonburg to the concert in Charlottesville that evening, and also just give him the keys to her 2005 Volvo.
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No once has their been any mention of Morgan having a boyfriend who attended the concert. That was her friend's boyfriend who was with them. If the police suspected him that much, we'd have hear stories of them trying to corroborate witness accounts to his by now, not to mention his name would be out there.

 

[MeoW333]

Two things seem to be bouncing around as fact, and I only remember them as conjecture. Could someone please clear these up for me?

1) I thought we (WS posters) were only speculating that Morgan had a camera, not that a camera was really with her.

2) I thought we were of the impression that there were NO photos of Morgan at the arena (at least publically known), thus no photos of her in line for the bathroom.

Help!

If LE was to make any video or photos of Morgan public from that night, it would jeopardize any future witness accounts of seeing her that may come in. So we have to make use of information we have been given in a "what if" scenario either way, and deduce from there.

 

[imamaze]

If LE was to make any video or photos of Morgan public from that night, it would jeopardize any future witness accounts of seeing her that may come in. So we have to make use of information we have been given in a "what if" scenario either way, and deduce from there.

So then the answer would be a 'yes' to wadahoots questions?

 

[imamaze]

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[MeoW333]

So then the answer would be a 'yes' to wadahoots questions?

IMO, no, it wouldn't be a "yes".
I would say that yes there is a good possibility that Morgan had a camera that night.
And yes that she was captured on videos. Just because we have been told no, or we haven't been told one way or the other doesn't mean it may be a definite answer.
She may not be captured on some bathroom videos, yet she may be captured on one.
If she was captured on the videos, it further enforces LE's timeline of 8:30-9:30pm.
You can agree to disagree or agree, no need to post the TOS.

 

[January.]

Re: The composite of Morgan's outfit. Most Pantera shirts that I've seen have had a large image or graphic on the front along with the name. I've been to a lot of rock concerts (including two Pantera concerts) and have seen Pantera shirts out the wazoo. The one that Morgan was wearing seems to be more rare. The witness at the Sheetz who allegedly saw her the next morning said the Pantera shirt she was wearing had no large graphics, it was just the name. That makes me think she really may be a credible witness. Isn't she the one that police are not taking her tip seriously? I can't find the link where I read that.

 

[MeoW333]

You are looking at everything strictly at face value: Fame = Money = Success = being on TV.

How about Effectiveness = protecting client's privacy = impressing other attorneys & professionals = lots of referrals?

I would rather look at if about effectiveness, Walker, however it's not always about that when it comes to cases such as these when attorneys come in. In a perfect world maybe, not this one though..

In such a high profile cases, it does attract attorneys who may seek fame and money, and they get a huge amount of publicity from the case itself being on interviews with reporters, and farther down the line if they are still "hired" in the courtroom possibly. I'm not a lawyer, so i can't speak for each and every one.
These cases are so well known, that the lawyers involved in them are getting a lot of publicity along with their firms. Publicity sells lawyers better than referrals do.
Referrals would be word of mouth. That would have to mean a lot of clients would refer them to others. I don't see how impressing other attorneys would factor in, as they'd be competeing for the same thing. So it wouldn't matter if they "impressed" other attorneys.
High profile cases garner the most publicity. Look at the OJ trial, his attorneys were household names.

If people don't have a personal lawyer they use for criminal or other matters, and they don't have a referral to one, (provided they have enough money to hire one) they may go with a law firm name they've heard or an attorney they have seen with a high profile case rather than flip through the phone book and pick our a name at random.

Just speaking from what i've seen in high profile cases such as these, if you look at Casey Anthony's case, or the Haleigh Cummings case (Ronald C.'s lawyers) you will see how they work. They have taken those cases pro bono, from what i know.

If Morgan's friends who were there that night had any reason to "lawyer up", we would have heard about it by now. From what we have heard, it sounds like they have been cooperating fully with LE and have no reason to lawyer up.

 

[MeoW333]

Re: The composite of Morgan's outfit. Most Pantera shirts that I've seen have had a large image or graphic on the front along with the name. I've been to a lot of rock concerts (including two Pantera concerts) and have seen Pantera shirts out the wazoo. The one that Morgan was wearing seems to be more rare. The witness at the Sheetz who allegedly saw her the next morning said the Pantera shirt she was wearing had no large graphics, it was just the name. That makes me think she really may be a credible witness. Isn't she the one that police are not taking her tip seriously? I can't find the link where I read that.

The woman who was working delivering the papers that can draw the faces? Who saw Morgan right near her with a tall boy with curly hair leaning against a wall and 2 shorter boys nearby? She also said it wasn't uncommon for Gothic vestments to be seen on the lawn there or kids at that hour, as she must have seen some other times.
Maybe Morgan was wearing an older Pantera shirt, she could have gotten a "vintage?" one from Ebay or somewhere.. i do know that people sell used band tshirts on Ebay.
There's got to be a detail about Morgan's appearance that LE withheld in order to weed out the "real" sightings or not.
I'm sure most of the people who reported their sightings had good intentions, however the reports don't fit with the timeline or information LE has that we aren't told.

 

[imamaze]

IMO, no, it wouldn't be a "yes".
I would say that yes there is a good possibility that Morgan had a camera that night.
And yes that she was captured on videos. Just because we have been told no, or we haven't been told one way or the other doesn't mean it may be a definite answer.
She may not be captured on some bathroom videos, yet she may be captured on one.
If she was captured on the videos, it further enforces LE's timeline of 8:30-9:30pm.
You can agree to disagree or agree, no need to post the TOS.

I understand you think there is a good possibility that Morgan had a camera that night, but wadahoot's question was this is speculation about that camera? Your right just because we haven't been told one way or another it doesn't mean a definite answer either way but its still speculation.

MeoW,

I did feel the need to post TOS, and I agree we can agree to disagree. I just think we needed to be reminded on how to agree and disagree.

 

[MeoW333]

I understand you think there is a good possibility that Morgan had a camera that night, but wadahoot's question was this is speculation about that camera? Your right just because we haven't been told one way or another it doesn't mean a definite answer either way but its still speculation.

MeoW,

I did feel the need to post TOS, and I agree we can agree to disagree. I just think we needed to be reminded on how to agree and disagree.

I can agree to change my mind and agree with you for the need to post the TOS as long as you didn't mean it for me personally. I didn't think i violated anything..

As for the Wadahoot's speculation, i didn't say she was wrong or right.
There is no wrong or right unless we know the real facts, which could go either way.

Your confusing me as to what your post is about?

 

[Ghostmaster]

As it relates to my posting of Morgan’s essay on life, a couple of you have had different slants on it than I did. I think Walker and MeoW333 brought up they saw it in a different light. After I read their posts I went back and read the essay again. I can see where there coming from. No harm, No foul; that’s the great thing about this forum. It can open your eyes to seeing things in an entirely different light. And that’s a good thing. People and ideas are always strongest working as a team rather than individuals.