VA - Nicole Lovell, 13, Blacksburg, 27 January 2016 #6 *Arrests*

[strawberry]

The shirt looks red to me too. And it looks like he has jeans on; someone else said sweats. See the problem with eye witnesses?


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[JanetElaine]

:doh: I agree! I was so busy watching NK that I didn't see the orange shirt guy (which actually looks red to me, so maybe I am colorblind?) I just figured she would be as close to DE as she could be, but maybe he kept slipping away from her at every opportunity. Doubtful!

Very weird that DE was taking AM's water bottle and drinking from it. I guess he was over the mono by then, but still keep your cooties to yourself man!

Yes, it does look red, but I'm calling it orange because that's what the description on the video says. Just for clarity's sake as far as that goes.

Btw, keep in mind that NK being there, and DE drinking someone else's (vitamin) water etc are all things claimed by one person and not necessarily factual, and certainly not verifiable. :moo:

ETA - VT shirts are orange or maroon. If it is a VT shirt, the print looks like an 'Orange Effect' shirt.

 

[wgram]

Interesting article in the local news about Threat Assessment at Virginia Tech:

http://www.roanoke.com/news/crime/b...cle_840ec54d-f9e1-5cd7-b77a-e91b5607be23.html

That testimony raised the question: Was the university threat assessment team monitoring Keepers or Tech freshman David Eisenhauer, who is accused of killing Lovell?

 

[Fireweed]

The shirt looks red to me too. And it looks like he has jeans on; someone else said sweats. See the problem with eye witnesses?


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I think seeing things on video makes a really big difference. The orange/red thing might just come down to each person's screen that they are looking on. A couple weeks ago I ordered "yellow" blinds off the internet that are actually beige. I recall in the Nathaniel Kibby/AH case that when AH went missing, they showed a still from her high school surveillance camera of what she was wearing. Her sweater looked really dark grey, like a charcoal grey. When she was sent back in the same clothes, the police took a photo of that sweater in full light, and it was really a light grey.

 

[Inthedetails]

I haven't bought into the motive that DE wanted to silence Nicole, and the more I think about it, the even less I believe that was the case.

If he really wanted to silence her, he wouldn't have been so sloppy in leaving a trail. I know criminals can be dumb, but if his GOAL was to hide a secret, I really think he would've been more...well, secretive or perhaps stage it to cast blame far away from him.

He did absolutely nothing to distance himself from the crime. Everything led straight to him, from the SM contact to dumping her body near where his relatives live. I don't think he was motivated to kill her to keep her quiet.

I am leaning more and more toward thrill kill. They wanted to destroy. Perhaps at first it started out as SM taunting and humiliation, but it turned into a desire to humiliate "in real life" and then, finally, to kill. I think Nicole was targeted as an easy, convenient victim - and she wasn't a victim because she was going to expose DE. She was a victim because she was chosen by the murders to be their victim.

JMOpinion at the moment.

 

[JanetElaine]

I think seeing things on video makes a really big difference. The orange/red thing might just come down to each person's screen that they are looking on. A couple weeks ago I ordered "yellow" blinds off the internet that are actually beige. I recall in the Nathaniel Kibby/AH case that when AH went missing, they showed a still from her high school surveillance camera of what she was wearing. Her sweater looked really dark grey, like a charcoal grey. When she was sent back in the same clothes, the police took a photo of that sweater in full light, and it was really a light grey.

One need only look at this debacle (don't know what else to call it, lol), playing out exactly a year ago, to know how true this is:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/26/us/blue-black-white-gold-dress/

FWIW at the end of the footage of 'DE' the shirt catches the light in a certain manner for a split second and makes it look orange, indeed.

 

[JanetElaine]

I haven't bought into the motive that DE wanted to silence Nicole, and the more I think about it, the even less I believe that was the case.

If he really wanted to silence her, he wouldn't have been so sloppy in leaving a trail. I know criminals can be dumb, but if his GOAL was to hide a secret, I really think he would've been more...well, secretive or perhaps stage it to cast blame far away from him.

He did absolutely nothing to distance himself from the crime. Everything led straight to him, from the SM contact to dumping her body near where his relatives live. I don't think he was motivated to kill her to keep her quiet.

I am leaning more and more toward thrill kill. They wanted to destroy. Perhaps at first it started out as SM taunting and humiliation, but it turned into a desire to humiliate "in real life" and then, finally, to kill. I think Nicole was targeted as an easy, convenient victim - and she wasn't a victim because she was going to expose DE. She was a victim because she was chosen by the murders to be their victim.

JMOpinion at the moment.

I still agree with the possibility of a thrill kill.

The way you worded what you wrote about silencing Nicole made me ponder that option a bit more from a different angle. What you're describing led you *away* from thinking 'silencing', but it actually makes me think it more. However it looks to me like you're thinking premeditated silencing, and I'm now seeing elements of panic in what he did.

He was indeed sloppy and left a trail, dumped Nicole's body near familiar terrain (I imagine DE exploring that area as a younger boy on family visits), didn't seem to cover anything up. That could be cold-bloodedness, or panic, IMO.

I don't know if I actually believe this is what happened, but I can see it possible: they didn't plan to kill Nicole that night. Yes, they planned to kill her, but not that night - someday later. When DE picked Nicole up, she said something to him that freaked him out - something about disclosing their relationship (not out of malice, but because she was so happy). That went on for a bit, possibly an argument, and he ended up killing her in a panic (possibly figuring the plan was put together far enough to pull it off).

THEN he called NK to tell her he already killed Nicole and to come help him with the rest of the plan and help him dispose of the body.

They had possibly planned to cover up their online tracks before they actually set out to murder Nicole, but didn't have time for it now and started acting on spur of the moment decisions, which made them act sloppy, both online and IRL.

It kinda would explain why NK wasn't present, but was willing to help afterwards, and also why she was spilling the beans right away and in the way she did. She was probably pretty miffed she missed 'it', but at the same time didn't see how she was still a suspect, since they never carried out the plan. She just helped with a little 'cleanup'.

In NK's mind, DE going it alone totally exonerated her, so she couldn't care less about being arrested (hence the cheery attitude in the booking video). The pics of her later looking less-than-happy were probably taken after reality set in that she was indeed still 'on the hook'.

Idk. This theory still rattles at points but I could see something like this having gone down. The key point being DE killed Nicole sooner than him and NK had planned.

 

[JanetElaine]

Interesting article in the local news about Threat Assessment at Virginia Tech:

http://www.roanoke.com/news/crime/b...cle_840ec54d-f9e1-5cd7-b77a-e91b5607be23.html

Interesting indeed. I don't know how I feel about the details of this program at VT though.

Especially this part:

"But people of concern easily can slip through the cracks.

Natalie Keepers, 19, charged as an accessory to murder in the killing of Nicole Lovell, 13, of Blacksburg, testified during a recent bond hearing that she sought mental health counseling as a Tech student.

That testimony raised the question: Was the university threat assessment team monitoring Keepers or Tech freshman David Eisenhauer, who is accused of killing Lovell?"

Implying they most definitely should have, because Keepers sought mental health counseling. Way to set mental health advocacy and care back a half century....

 

[BUF]

I still agree with the possibility of a thrill kill.

The way you worded what you wrote about silencing Nicole made me ponder that option a bit more from a different angle. What you're describing led you *away* from thinking 'silencing', but it actually makes me think it more. However it looks to me like you're thinking premeditated silencing, and I'm now seeing elements of panic in what he did.

He was indeed sloppy and left a trail, dumped Nicole's body near familiar terrain (I imagine DE exploring that area as a younger boy on family visits), didn't seem to cover anything up. That could be cold-bloodedness, or panic, IMO.

I don't know if I actually believe this is what happened, but I can see it possible: they didn't plan to kill Nicole that night. Yes, they planned to kill her, but not that night - someday later. When DE picked Nicole up, she said something to him that freaked him out - something about disclosing their relationship (not out of malice, but because she was so happy). That went on for a bit, possibly an argument, and he ended up killing her in a panic (possibly figuring the plan was put together far enough to pull it off).

THEN he called NK to tell her he already killed Nicole and to come help him with the rest of the plan and help him dispose of the body.

They had possibly planned to cover up their online tracks before they actually set out to murder Nicole, but didn't have time for it now and started acting on spur of the moment decisions, which made them act sloppy, both online and IRL.

It kinda would explain why NK wasn't present, but was willing to help afterwards, and also why she was spilling the beans right away and in the way she did. She was probably pretty miffed she missed 'it', but at the same time didn't see how she was still a suspect, since they never carried out the plan. She just helped with a little 'cleanup'.

In NK's mind, DE going it alone totally exonerated her, so she couldn't care less about being arrested (hence the cheery attitude in the booking video). The pics of her later looking less-than-happy were probably taken after reality set in that she was indeed still 'on the hook'.

Idk. This theory still rattles at points but I could see something like this having gone down. The key point being DE killed Nicole sooner than him and NK had planned.

But he did have a knife with him to stab her neck and NK was "excited" to be part of this. I believe the murder sight was also pre-planned.

 

[JanetElaine]

But he did have a knife with him to stab her neck and NK was "excited" to be part of this. I believe the murder sight was also pre-planned.

True, but the knife could have always been in his glove box (for example, or under his seat, wherever), NK can still be 'excited' because they still had made the plans, and when he freaked out, he could have just taken Nicole to the pre-planned site.

I didn't mean DE freaked out in the sense that he had to kill her within seconds, I think it's possible he freaked out enough to bring the plan forward.

 

[jjenny]

I haven't seen anything to suggest he somehow planned to kill her at a later date and not on the night in question. All of this seems highly premeditated to me. Just because he didn't know how to cover up his tracks well doesn't mean it wasn't planned. A lot of perps do a lot of stupid things-that's how they get caught. And how would one cover up on-line tracks at a later date anyway? Once it's on-line, it's on-line.

 

[jjenny]

Sort of creepy that a child who had spent her life in and out of hospitals would be attracted to someone who called themselves "Dr".

It sounds to me like this Dr. Tombstone account was only opened a couple of days before the murder. So he might have come up with this name based on what he planned to do to Nicole.

 

[JanetElaine]

I haven't seen anything to suggest he somehow planned to kill her at a later date and not on the night in question. All of this seems highly premeditated to me. Just because he didn't know how to cover up his tracks well doesn't mean it wasn't planned. A lot of perps do a lot of stupid things-that's how they get caught. And how would one cover up on-line tracks at a later date anyway? Once it's on-line, it's on-line.

There have been a lot of theories discussed that haven't been seen anywhere, before we came up with them. Like I said, I'm not sure this is how I think it went. It just seems a possibility.

FWIW things like Snapchat do not stay online. All they had to do was delete their profile and for extra safety delete any screenshots on Nicole's phone. They may have started fumbling these things up if (part of) the plan took place sooner than anticipated.

Sure they could have just been stupid. Not saying they weren't. Just looking at all possibilities without dismissing them offhand.

 

[JanetElaine]

It sounds to me like this Dr. Tombstone account was only opened a couple of days before the murder. So he might have come up with this name based on what he planned to do to Nicole.

You may be confused with the mention that the account contacted Nicole in the days before her death. They had been communicating with DE using this account since at least late November 2015.

A Kik messaging account tied to David Eisenhauer contacted Nicole Lovell under the screen name “Dr_Tombstone” in the days before her death, according to a search warrant obtained by The Roanoke Times.

Kik’s records for Dr_Tombstone showed the user’s name to be listed as “David A” and tied to the Google account “dee4friends07.” That email address was eventually determined to belong to a David Eisenhauer, according to the warrant.

Lovell had previously posted a screenshot of her Kik app to Instagram on Nov. 28. That image shows a conversation with a “David A” dating months before the teen’s death.

http://www.roanoke.com/news/crime/b...cle_961c5134-76c2-5e48-8687-e9c4c8aaba14.html

ETA please ignore size etc of the quoted newspaper text. It's of no meaning, other than that I can never seem to get the font right in quotes.

 

[jjenny]

You may be confused with the mention that the account contacted Nicole in the days before her death. They had been communicating with DE using this account since at least late November 2015.





http://www.roanoke.com/news/crime/b...cle_961c5134-76c2-5e48-8687-e9c4c8aaba14.html

ETA please ignore size etc of the quoted newspaper text. It's of no meaning, other than that I can never seem to get the font right in quotes.

Well I read that she ONLY communicated with this account in the days before her death (suggesting account was new). But I suppose it could be bad reporting.

"The FBI brought in a “cyber squad” agent to help investigate, contacting Kik to request Lovell’s usage records on the app. Through those records, investigators found that Lovell had only communicated with the “Dr_Tombstone” account in the days before her death."
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2016/...f-killing-teen-used-screen-name-dr_tombstone/

 

[tlcya]

Poorly written. Could also mean had exclusively communicated with the Dr_Tombstone person (DE) in the days before her death leading investigators to focus on him so quickly.

 

[JanetElaine]

Well I read that she ONLY communicated with this account in the days before her death (suggesting account was new). But I suppose it could be bad reporting.

"The FBI brought in a “cyber squad” agent to help investigate, contacting Kik to request Lovell’s usage records on the app. Through those records, investigators found that Lovell had only communicated with the “Dr_Tombstone” account in the days before her death."
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2016/...f-killing-teen-used-screen-name-dr_tombstone/

That must be bad reporting, because there was a screenshot of the "David A" Kik screen name (that has now been confirmed to be the screen name on the Dr_Tombstone account) on Nicole's Instagram, from communications they had on the Friday before November 28, 2015 (so, on November 27th).

https://www.instagram.com/nicky_maddie_lovell_15114/

I believe what they mean to say is the Dr_Tombstone account is the only account Nicole communicated with in the days before her death. The Roanoke Times article words it a bit better, IMO: "Lovell, who was dealing with health and bullying issues at the time, had exchanged messages with only one account in the days prior: Dr_Tombstone, according to the warrant."

http://www.roanoke.com/news/crime/b...cle_961c5134-76c2-5e48-8687-e9c4c8aaba14.html

 

[Nationals]

I haven't bought into the motive that DE wanted to silence Nicole, and the more I think about it, the even less I believe that was the case.

If he really wanted to silence her, he wouldn't have been so sloppy in leaving a trail. I know criminals can be dumb, but if his GOAL was to hide a secret, I really think he would've been more...well, secretive or perhaps stage it to cast blame far away from him.

He did absolutely nothing to distance himself from the crime. Everything led straight to him, from the SM contact to dumping her body near where his relatives live. I don't think he was motivated to kill her to keep her quiet.

I am leaning more and more toward thrill kill. They wanted to destroy. Perhaps at first it started out as SM taunting and humiliation, but it turned into a desire to humiliate "in real life" and then, finally, to kill. I think Nicole was targeted as an easy, convenient victim - and she wasn't a victim because she was going to expose DE. She was a victim because she was chosen by the murders to be their victim.

JMOpinion at the moment.

There was no taunting or humiliation. Nicole told friends he was "funny and nice" and she wanted to marry him and have his kids, and she wrote on her Instagram her new FB actually treated her well. Also police know exactly why he killed her. They've said "he did it because she was about to tell people about the inappropriate relationship." Not "we think he did it because...." I'm sure the texts and messages tell the whole story. From Day 1 when he first made contact with her online. You address an interesting point tho that he really was not smart in trying to hide any of this, but they say when people are desperate they make mistakes. Maybe he thought he planned it out well, maybe he used a private server which the FBI was able to crack, but which he thought would conceal his online activity. I can think of one off hand which a stupid person might think would protect them. But this assumption would be dead wrong.:shame:

 

[JanetElaine]

There was no taunting or humiliation. Nicole told friends he was "funny and nice" and she wanted to marry him and have his kids, and she wrote on her Instagram her new FB actually treated her well. Also police know exactly why he killed her. They've said "he did it because she was about to tell people about the inappropriate relationship." Not "we think he did it because...." I'm sure the texts and messages tell the whole story. From Day 1 when he first made contact with her online. You address an interesting point tho that he really was not smart in trying to hide any of this, but they say when people are desperate they make mistakes. Maybe he thought he planned it out well, maybe he used a private server which the FBI was able to crack, but which he thought would conceal his online activity. I can think of one off hand which a stupid person might think would protect them. But this assumption would be dead wrong.:shame:

Good points. Good post.

 

[Nationals]

They did plan on killing her that night and Nk has already confessed to that. They also bought the shovel that night prior to killing her. I also believe that NK was already in the car when she was killed. There are varying reports out. Some say she saw him do it, others that she was there but didn't see him do it. I believe police know exactly who did this, when and why. Also, if it was a thrill kill they wouldn't have chosen a freezing cold night right after a huge snowstorm. They were anxious to get this done and over, imo.