VA - Nicole Lovell, 13, Blacksburg, 27 January 2016 #6 *Arrests*

[tlcya]

"Twenty years ago, if a boy or girl wanted to call… [they] had to go through mom or dad on that landline, so you had a buffer," said Virginia State Police First Sgt. Mike Jenkins, in the High Tech Crimes Division. "Now, they're in your child's bedroom because they're face-chatting with the door closed."

[..]

It can be a slippery slope once a conversation begins, according to Richmond FBI special agent Mike Harrington. Harrington supervises the cyber squad, and says a lot of teens use these apps without thinking about the motives of others.


"They may really only be looking for online interaction, but somebody who has other goals in mind, can establish rapport and eventually ratchet up the pressure, and eventually pressure these kids into doing something they may not have been looking for initially," said Harrington.

http://www.nbc12.com/story/31390017/do-you-know-the-apps-your-teen-is-using

 

[Bootsctr]

I am wondering if DE was cat-fishing one day and somehow got caught up in an online battle involving several teenage girls. He befriends Nicole. Then as their "relationship" advances suddenly a bad boy appears. A really hot, older, boy. DE and "bad boy" are friends. DE wants to know if he can trust Nicole to not flirt with other guys.

He makes up a reason he cannot be on line one evening. Nicole gets online and "bad boy" gets on line. Bad boy makes a play for Nicole. Nicole flirts back. Suddenly their conversation gets "hot." Nicole has to get off the computer, but pleads with "bad boy" not to tell DE that she and bad boy talked that night. But DE is bad boy, so now he knows that Nicole will "cheat" on him with another guy. He's really mad about this too. He wants to end their relationship altogether, but Nicole will have none of that. DE brings in Keepers on or about 1/4/2016.

Really an immature plot, but they all seem immature to me.

 

[katydid23]

It would really be bizarre if DE is a nice Christian boy, not educated in dating or interacting with girls. Then, he goes off to college on his own and two possibly unhinged girls - NL and NK - go after him.

At this point, I don't know what happened, but if he is as naive as he sounds, he could have gotten manipulated in a hurry.

I don't think he was naive or all that nice. Watch that video of him being interviewed for his track success. He was arrogant, egotistical and full of himself. I did not see a nice, naive Christian boy in that interview. :no:

 

[jjenny]

I completely agree. I don't believe at this point, with the little we know, that these two conspired to kill a child for the fun of it. I'm not convinced that DE even knew for a fact that Nicole was only a child.

If he didn't know Nicole was only 13, he wouldn't have been concerned about her exposing the relationship.

 

[Nationals]

If he didn't know Nicole was only 13, he wouldn't have been concerned about her exposing the relationship.

Obviously he found out her age eventually, whether it was first day he saw her in person or sometime later. I think what posters who don't buy the "thrill kill" theory are saying is that he probably did think she was at least 18 at first. Either way, I think the only person for whom this may have been "thrilling" was NK. I however think her primary motive was in aiding DE... Endearing herself to him, getting something she could hold over him. That's probably what made it "thrilling" for her moreso than the killing itself.

 

[tlcya]

A reminder that rumor has no place in this thread. If you can't provide an approved link don't post about it.

 

[Nationals]

I wonder what DEs new lawyers are going to claim. If they say NK was mastermind, there would have to not be enough e-communication linking him to actually wanting her dead or plotting her murder, otherwise they wouldn't waste their time, unless they are going to say NK posed as DE online or fabricated texts and messages. Time will tell. I also wonder if the new lawyers are working for free publicity or if his parents are now backing DE. The statement "Excited to be part of something so secretive and special" is very chilling and odd to say the least, and really makes many wonder about NK. The thing I find most interesting about it tho is WHY on earth would anyone ever admit something like that to police even if it's true! It really makes me question her sanity, mental stability and/or intellect.

 

[wyome]

If he didn't know Nicole was only 13, he wouldn't have been concerned about her exposing the relationship.

That's the police's theory in regards to motive, but that did not come from DE's mouth. Of course the police are privy to a lot of sm communication we have not seen yet. It will be interesting how DE's defense will go.

I do not recall if it was ever reported that NK said that DE wanted her dead because he was concerned about being exposed as a possible pedophile. Anyone? I'll have to do some digging up of old news reports.

 

[Nationals]

Does anyone know how common it is for prosecutors to overcharge at first even before they have enough evidence to back it up?

 

[Bootsctr]

I wonder what DEs new lawyers are going to claim. If they say NK was mastermind, there would have to not be enough e-communication linking him to actually wanting her dead or plotting her murder, otherwise they wouldn't waste their time, unless they are going to say NK posed as DE online or fabricated texts and messages. Time will tell. I also wonder if the new lawyers are working for free publicity or if his parents are now backing DE. The statement "Excited to be part of something so secretive and special" is very chilling and odd to say the least, and really makes many wonder about NK. The thing I find most interesting about it tho is WHY on earth would anyone ever admit something like that to police even if it's true! It really makes me question her sanity, mental stability and/or intellect.

I keep thinking that maybe this case went fast - from missing to dead - in a 3-day time frame? And since I'm not local I just wasn't hearing everything in real time, but, I do, believe in actuality it happened very, very fast. Fast enough, I bet DE didn't have time to get rid of the shovel. I believe the shovel was still in the trunk when they towed his car. Still having a hard time figuring out why this story is soooo messed up....

How long did they interview DE before he asked for a lawyer, and how long did it take for Keepers to figure out she needed a lawyer too?

These are two kids who seem to be likeable, intelligent, some of the nation's brightest and best and then these 2 kids out of the blue totally screw their lives up, took Nicole's life from her, and devastated many, many people in this story. Leaves me scratching my head! Is this the new norm now?

 

[cujenn81]

I keep thinking that maybe this case went fast - from missing to dead - in a 3-day time frame? And since I'm not local I just wasn't hearing everything in real time, but, I do, believe in actuality it happened very, very fast. Fast enough, I bet DE didn't have time to get rid of the shovel. I believe the shovel was still in the trunk when they towed his car. Still having a hard time figuring out why this story is soooo messed up....

How long did they interview DE before he asked for a lawyer, and how long did it take for Keepers to figure out she needed a lawyer too?

These are two kids who seem to be likeable, intelligent, some of the nation's brightest and best and then these 2 kids out of the blue totally screw their lives up, took Nicole's life from her, and devastated many, many people in this story. Leaves me scratching my head! Is this the new norm now?

I think DE lawyered up once he knew he was being arrested... I think all he told the cops was that he saw NL at her house, gave her a side hug, & then left and went to NK's. But NK waived her Miranda rights and talked to the cops quite a bit---she told them about how and where they planned it, the trips to Walmart for supplies, the location where NL was actually killed, how she helped DE dispose of her body, where they would find her body, what they did with the murder weapon, and about the Minions blanket that was still in her dorm room.

Her full disclosure could definitely backfire on her. DE's lawyer could argue that the reason NK knew so much about the crime was because SHE was actually the one who killed her out of jealousy. But SHE needed DE's help to dispose of the body.

The lawyer might ask the jury... "why would DE bring NK into this if DE's motive was just to shut her up because she threatened to expose their relationship? Why would he want to admit to one of his peers that he'd been involved with a 13-year-old girl? And why would NK, who has no history of criminal behavior, eagerly agree to help this guy? He's an athlete; he could have easily done this alone. He didn't need NK, but she would have needed him."

And, I gotta say he'd have a point.

 

[wgram]

These are two kids who seem to be likeable, intelligent, some of the nation's brightest and best and then these 2 kids out of the blue totally screw their lives up, took Nicole's life from her, and devastated many, many people in this story. Leaves me scratching my head! Is this the new norm now?

I had a thought. I was thinking that maybe when living at home so much was stressed and expected of them. Maybe when they got away from home, they seen that they were still expected to excel so high that they buckled. I have seen cases on TV (don't remember which) that the murderer(s) did this to seal the deal that they weren't expected to excel so much anymore. I think this came to me when it was said he was a big fish in a small pond and then was all of a sudden a small fish in a large pond. Maybe he felt he couldn't step up to that high level anymore... it was perhaps a huge disappointment to his family? A way of breaking out of that high level of expectancy. It's just something that came to me the other day. Might not be it at all....just a thought.

 

[kdg411]

According to this article http://wtop.com/virginia/2016/02/de...t-dr-tombstone-was-connected-to-teens-murder/

Eisenhauer, who is from Columbia, Maryland, is charged with kidnapping and killing Lovell. Both he and his co-defendant, Natalie Keepers, are expected to be back in a Montgomery County, Virginia, court March 28.

I'm not in a legal profession so perhaps someone could explain why the verbiage 'co-defendant' was mentioned. Just curious as to whether they will be just one trial or perhaps this was just an overzealous reporter's selection of words.

 

[wgram]

WOW, I just happened upon this... wasn't looking for it either. :thinking: (hope its ok to post)

According to this Washington Post article from October 2015, AM was also best buds with CS , the Northern Virginia SERIAL KILLER:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...846440-6860-11e5-9ef3-fde182507eac_story.html

an additional link I just found... talks about DE and his roomate... arrest...etc.. https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...f28e9e-ce7b-11e5-abc9-ea152f0b9561_story.html

 

[Nationals]

I think DE lawyered up once he knew he was being arrested... I think all he told the cops was that he saw NL at her house, gave her a side hug, & then left and went to NK's. But NK waived her Miranda rights and talked to the cops quite a bit---she told them about how and where they planned it, the trips to Walmart for supplies, the location where NL was actually killed, how she helped DE dispose of her body, where they would find her body, what they did with the murder weapon, and about the Minions blanket that was still in her dorm room.

Her full disclosure could definitely backfire on her. DE's lawyer could argue that the reason NK knew so much about the crime was because SHE was actually the one who killed her out of jealousy. But SHE needed DE's help to dispose of the body.

The lawyer might ask the jury... "why would DE bring NK into this if DE's motive was just to shut her up because she threatened to expose their relationship? Why would he want to admit to one of his peers that he'd been involved with a 13-year-old girl? And why would NK, who has no history of criminal behavior, eagerly agree to help this guy? He's an athlete; he could have easily done this alone. He didn't need NK, but she would have needed him."

And, I gotta say he'd have a point.

. Good post.
:websleuther:anic::goodpost:

 

[Nationals]

I had a thought. I was thinking that maybe when living at home so much was stressed and expected of them. Maybe when they got away from home, they seen that they were still expected to excel so high that they buckled. I have seen cases on TV (don't remember which) that the murderer(s) did this to seal the deal that they weren't expected to excel so much anymore. I think this came to me when it was said he was a big fish in a small pond and then was all of a sudden a small fish in a large pond. Maybe he felt he couldn't step up to that high level anymore... it was perhaps a huge disappointment to his family? A way of breaking out of that high level of expectancy. It's just something that came to me the other day. Might not be it at all....just a thought.

Or he thought so highly of himself and his future prospects that he didn't want to embarrass himself and his family and risk losing it all by having people find out he was with a 13 year old. And he may have thought so highly of his intellect that he thought he could outsmart LE.

While writing this a thought just came to mind... What if DE thought so highly of himself that nothing could ever shake him down off his pedistool. perhaps at first he really did think Nicole was at least 18 (she did pose as a college student online) and once he found out her real age he snapped and panicked and started entertaining the idea of murder as his only way out, angry at himself for being so stupid and having been tricked and angry at her for tricking him. He may have even developed feelings for her over online communication or phone before meeting her in person, even more reason to be angry. Maybe he never even had sex with her, or maybe he did (who knows) but just the thought that he was duped by a kid may have enraged him enough to want her dead, especially if he actually developed feelings for her before meeting her in person. Then perhaps once he realized her age and tried to break it off she may have flipped out and started threatening suicide. This would have extremely embarrassed him if she started telling people she was in love and wanted to start a family with him. He might have thought, 'how could I be so stupid to fall for some 13 year old posing as a college student. No one will believe me. They'll think I'm actually a pedophil.'

 

[Nationals]

According to this article http://wtop.com/virginia/2016/02/de...t-dr-tombstone-was-connected-to-teens-murder/

Eisenhauer, who is from Columbia, Maryland, is charged with kidnapping and killing Lovell. Both he and his co-defendant, Natalie Keepers, are expected to be back in a Montgomery County, Virginia, court March 28.

I'm not in a legal profession so perhaps someone could explain why the verbiage 'co-defendant' was mentioned. Just curious as to whether they will be just one trial or perhaps this was just an overzealous reporter's selection of words.

I wonder if they're going to try them together to save the state money.

 

[Nationals]

Another theory is that perhaps DE and NK had something going sexually but secretly and perhaps they went trolling online for someone off campus to groom for a 3-some. Someone off-campus would be easier to deal with, and NL did pose on FB as a UVA student. This is according to Nicole's friend, where she first met Eisenhauer. I just saw a movie exactly like that and in the movie the woman who at first was ok with "finding the younger girl" later became very jealous and killed her. The victim in the movie was the daughter of the woman's best friend.

 

[jjenny]

While "off the wall" theories might be fun to come up with, police have access to the actual messages between Nicole and DE. Police also has access to communications between DE and NK.
I don't believe NK ever even met Nicole before the night of the murder (at least that what has been reported).

 

[jjenny]

I wonder if they're going to try them together to save the state money.

Even if state wants to try them together, defense lawyers can still ask for separate trials.