GUILTY VA - Noah Thomas, 5, Pulaski County, 22 March 2015 #3

[winterrose]

By the sheriff acting so surly, it's probably best he didn't need to ask for the publics help. That, and the parents not saying anything....at least the media made people aware that Noah was missing. :

He did say if anyone knows anything to let them know, but you're right he is surly. lol I wanted to say the local media and esp the Find Noah facebook page did a very good job of keeping Noah's name and face out there. They're still doing a really good job, even doing articles on the vigils, balloon releases, etc. The Find Noah page is actually one of the best pages I've seen in a missing child case. They're right on top of everything and keeping the page about Noah.

 

[PeggyAnnMcKay]

I feel completely different about that. My granddaughter was killed in a wreck three months ago. We had a funeral with family members remembering her. We had songs that she loved. We had remembrances and pictures of her all over the place. We talked about her, we hugged friends, and we remembered her. She had a Facebook page that we have kept open and we still share pictures and remembrances of happy times. Many of her friends still go to her page and read what we post and often post remembrances of their own. She loved people and people loved her and it is helping us all. People feel differently about things, but she made her mark on the world and we want to remember.

I'm so sorry for your loss Annie. (((hugs))) Those are such beautiful ways to remember your granddaughter.

 

[Amster]

All due respect, and this is not to argue...pleas for tips and information from the public were made numerous times. (Not from the parents, of course.)

Were the public ever asked to help with the searches? Maybe they were....

 

[PeggyAnnMcKay]

I've been reading about how septic tanks work, and here's something that I found interesting:

Homeowners wanting to take good care of their septic systems should make note of the following items that should never be flushed down the drain or toilet. These items can overtax or destroy the biological digestion taking place within the system or clog pumps and pipes.
http://www.nesc.wvu.edu/subpages/septic_defined.cfm

If you have too many solid objects in your septic tank, it can clog pumps and pipes. I seem to remember reading somewhere that this particular septic tank was shared by more than one family. What if the other house noticed a back-up of their pipes with sewage and that was the tip LE received.

 

[Luvrosco]

No, ummmmm, that would be us. :seeya:

Lol, I've often wonder if LE hates sites like this.

 

[Amster]

I feel completely different about that. My granddaughter was killed in a wreck three months ago. We had a funeral with family members remembering her. We had songs that she loved. We had remembrances and pictures of her all over the place. We talked about her, we hugged friends, and we remembered her. She had a Facebook page that we have kept open and we still share pictures and remembrances of happy times. Many of her friends still go to her page and read what we post and often post remembrances of their own. She loved people and people loved her and it is helping us all. People feel differently about things, but she made her mark on the world and we want to remember.

Annie....I believe it is a wonderful way to keep the memory of your granddaughter alive. Bless you..

 

[Luvrosco]

Would the police automatically be aware of the property having a septic tank? Our water and waste goes straight into drains here and away to the plant that cleans the water and does whatever. Septic tanks aren't that common. Are they more common in the USA?

I have one here on Long Island. But many of the towns do have sewer systems. When I moved here, I just assumed we had sewers,until the first backup. My husband knew. I called the county to ask if they were going to put in sewers and they said it's too hilly. My dad had one in his first house in Vegas. So, I guess it depends on where you live.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

No, ummmmm, that would be us. :seeya:

Well,then they should have listened to us and checked.

 

[blue22]

Were the public ever asked to help with the searches? Maybe they were....

I read in several articles that over 1,000 people helped in the search efforts. Some people showed up to help and had been turned away, because they weren't needed. (This was stated on social media, when people asked where they could go to help.) That could have coincided with the professional search teams being deployed, but I'm not sure.

http://www.wdbj7.com/video/volunteers-no-longer-needed-in-search-for-noah-thomas/32022134.

ETA: Sorry, the 1,000 number was for the trained professionals. But the video talks about when the police no longer needed volunteer searchers.

Hundreds of volunteers and trained officials from all over the state canvassed a 3.3-square-mile radius around Noah’s house on Monday, with plans to continue until Noah is found.

http://www.roanoke.com/news/local/p...cle_ced7bbd1-1940-51cf-8d3e-dea017b85bf2.html

I don't think they had to ask for people to help search. They were showing up. They did accept help from volunteer searchers until they had adequate professionals, so obviously they weren't surly toward it.

 

[TTF14]

After seeing where little Noah was found, it makes me think of all the other young children who went missing and were never found, especially ones in rural areas. I wonder if septic tanks were searched in those cases. Maybe that is where some of those children ended up and were not found by law enforcement. This case has gotten me thinking about the unused septic tank in our front yard. We used the septic tank many years ago and had to have it pumped it quite often. It is a big underground cement box like structure that has a cement cover that is a few inches under the ground with dirt and grass over it. When sewers were put in, we hooked up to the sewer but never filled in the septic tank. It's mostly empty inside with some water in the bottom. One time someone drove their car over it and I nearly freaked out thinking they were going to cave it in and the car land in it. I warned them and they backed the car off it. But the septic tank is right in front of one of our flower beds by the front porch. It makes me wonder if it should be filled in. People and pets walk over it often. Now it has me worried.

I've thought this too, and not just with missing kids. Septic tanks on random abandoned properties seem like great places to hide bodies. The time, money, and manpower it would take to just go searching random septic tanks makes them idea for body disposal.

 

[Tillicum]

I've thought this too, and not just with missing kids. Septic tanks on random abandoned properties seem like great places to hide bodies. The time, money, and manpower it would take to just go searching random septic tanks makes them idea for body disposal.

BBM Not to mention the damage to evidence from bacteria

 

[matou]

Cameron Austin ‏@CameronOAustin 4m4 minutes ago
PIO Anthony Akers said that he's meeting with Pulaski Sheriff Jim Davis mid-morning to discuss future media briefings regarding #NoahThomas

 

[wendybtn]

http://www.wset.com/clip/11286692/investigators-yard-searched-many-times-before-noah-was-fond

Anthony Akers, assistant county administrator for Pulaski County, said that Davis and the FBI removed the ground-level lid to the septic tank during the search and later called in crews to pump contents of the tank out. Once pumping began, crews found Noah's body.

So the lid was ground -level not under dirt.

Well that's what ground level means to me anyway.


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Meemaw12

In thread #2, in post 736 & 820, you have a post or a quoted post from ksuri, a reporter for a local news station, that says the lid of this septic tank was under sod and grass. I did not know who ksuri was and questioned it, alerted a mod, and was assured this was msm, a very reliable reporter, so I assumed the question of whether a kid was playing with it was answered. Now it seems like we are covering the same info for the third time in four days. Did she retract what she said in her report? I am getting confused as to what is considered fact and rumor. Please help me. TIA.

 

[wendybtn]

I've thought this too, and not just with missing kids. Septic tanks on random abandoned properties seem like great places to hide bodies. The time, money, and manpower it would take to just go searching random septic tanks makes them idea for body disposal.

In most states now, you are required (or your contractor is) to fill a discontinued septic tank with dirt when it is no longer used.

 

[wendybtn]

I want to add that in the Hannah Graham case, LE kept releasing the statement that "Jesse Matthew was NOT a suspect" in the beginning and being very insistent about it, like they are here with the parents.
With HG, they did this to keep the rumors down so as not to tip him off and have him run for the hills.

But he did anyway.

 

[wendybtn]

The FBI, Virginia State Police, as well as regional and local authorities plan to scale back for Wednesday's search. Police said they want to clarify 'scaling back' does not mean they're giving up, but simply using a methodical way of approaching their search.

http://www.carolinascw.com/story/28...rch-for-noah-thomas-begin-methodical-approach

So, even on Tuesday and Wednesday...there was the FBI, State Police, and other regional authorities that did not search the septic. It's not just LE that didn't search, it's multiple agencies. Yet, local LE is being bashed over and over here.

Oops...it might have been even earlier. Noah was found on Day 5, this article said that they have been searching 4 days with the FBI. http://wtvr.com/2015/03/26/noah-thomas-found-dead/

Local law enforcement and the FBI have spent the last four days searching for the missing child. Noah’s mother originally told police the boy disappeared Sunday while she was sleeping. Police previously said they believed Noah left on his own and there was no reason to suspect a kidnapping.

Yes, the FBI was there Monday.

 

[themom]

But he did anyway.

Yes He knew he was toast.

 

[wendybtn]

Why did the mother go back to sleep????

You can scan through the first two threads pretty quick and get caught up. Welcome!

 

[wendybtn]

Would the police automatically be aware of the property having a septic tank? Our water and waste goes straight into drains here and away to the plant that cleans the water and does whatever. Septic tanks aren't that common. Are they more common in the USA?

Yes. Very.

 

[Zuri]

If these two homes share the septic tank, has it been determined that there is only one access?

I have never seen a shared septic system, only single family home septic systems, both sand mound and underground.

Also, does the County have to approve the dual home use? Like is it code to do so? Thanks.