GUILTY VA - Noah Thomas, 5, Pulaski County, 22 March 2015 #3

[LayzeeDayzee]

I respectfully disagree. I, too, wondered if the parents would attend or not and I'm no FB troll. Like myself, I believe a lot of people are surprised that the parents have not spoken with the media, have not spoken at any kind of presser [prior to his little body being found] to plead for anyone with info about his whereabouts to come forth/for anyone who may have seen anything to come forth. In my experience, this is the very first case I've followed, of a missing/then sadly found deceased child, in which we've seen no hide nor hair from the parents. To many this is unusual and unexpected, and naturally leads to all kinds of speculations. It's human nature to wonder.

Much to the dismay of the FB trolls.

 

[SStarr33]

Ugh! Another Virginia boy has died in a septic tank!

http://www.wsls.com/story/28696084/...lling-into-septic-style-tank-in-west-virginia

The FB freaks have moved over to that story now.

 

[DeeMarie]

I'm confused by LE's actions.

They must have a pretty good idea by now if the circumstances point to either accident or foul play, but they don't seem to want the public to know.

If the parents are innocent, then you are right, LE are doing them a disservice. If evidence points to something more sinister, then I hope LE is making sure any person around the guilty party/parties is not at risk, and that the guilty party has no chance of getting away at this point.

Agreed. The LE seems to being doing a good job at protecting the parents by their non-communication.

If they want this community witch hunt and social media rumors to end they need to come out and say that the parents are not suspects - or at least give us more information...

 

[LayzeeDayzee]

I wholeheartedly agree. *If* the timeline and facts are accurate, what is really the difference between a parent who's sleeping for 3 hours and leaving her 5 yr old unattended in the home vs one who went shopping and left said child alone in the house for 3 hours? If a parent is deeply sleeping x 3 hours, short of having the doors and windows padlocked, there is no way to guarantee that even the most obedient child (told not to leave the house) will not become bored and decide to venture out to play...........and once your child leaves that home and you're asleep, you have absolutely zero control over what risks and dangers that poor child could be exposed to. It only takes a moment for a trusting little child to be lured by a stranger and abducted/assaulted/murdered. Obviously in this case, poor little Noah for some reason did leave the home and due to her sleeping, she was not aware that he had - nor was she aware where he went/what he was doing outside. That's not a judgment, these are just facts.

Accidents do happen.. But she was asleep for up to 3 hours while her child possibly wandered off and died, if that's the case.

And I absolutely do think that if you asked her if going to sleep for those 3 hours was a mistake, she would say yes.

I fiercely believe that she deserves empathy. But I'm not going to say that she didn't make a mistake that led to her child dying.


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[LayzeeDayzee]

Why are you so negative? Why must you call them freaks? People (most of whom are parents, grandparents, siblings, aunts, uncles) have every right to be outraged and upset to learn about little innocent children who die directly as the result of lack of proper parental supervision. What kind of parent would allow their 2 yr old to be running around outside of a car wash anyway?

The FB freaks have moved over to that story now.

 

[blue22]

It's not negligence. And are you telling me that you wouldn t defend the actions of a parent who lost a child simply because the parent doesn't defend it? Many people try to assuage parents who blame themselves for horrible things that happen to their kids. They don't say, "Well Sally, since you are blaming yourself I will too."

Accidents happen. To the best of us. And this mother didn't leave her child alone as you stated. She was in the very same house. She didn't (if the facts are accurate), walk out of the house and leave her kid unattended. She was there. Right there. So IMO, until we know more, she did nothing "wrong".




It does help. Thank you so much! It's odd. How did the tipper know the kid might be in the tank?

The child was unsupervised for HOURS. A parent who sleeps so deeply that they cannot hear a child in a flimsy trailer for hours, is doing the exact same thing as leaving a child alone. You simply cannot leave a child unsupervised for hours and expect that nothing will ever happen. By your logic a parent who is drunk, high, or some other way incapacitated is not negligent...so long as they are in the same building. She was not able to supervise her young child for hours. End of story/ There is nothing okay about it. Am saying she killed him? No. Do I think it's solely her fault? I don't know. I need more from LE. it simply cannot be ignored that a young child had no supervision for hours. (Sleeping is NOT supervising.) It can't. As kind as most of us want to be, I just can't overlook that.

What about the scenario screams adequate supervision and care of a young child to you?

 

[courtneyb]

The only fact I know is that if that if a nap had not occurred, and a parent was keeping an eye on the children, then a certain beautifully impish little boy would not have ended up in a septic tank, dead.

 

[vasportsmom]

The FB freaks have moved over to that story now.

We get it, you don't like FB. That doesn't make those that are comfortable with social media trolls or freaks.

Is that you Sheriff?

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[scout35]

For all we know, she could have just plopped down on the bed and closed her eyes hoping to catch a cat nap or just a few minutes of silence and next thing she knew, it was 3 hours later. We have no idea if she planned a full blown 3 hour nap or not.

 

[YidArmyRach]

Accidents happen. To the best of us. And this mother didn't leave her child alone as you stated. She was in the very same house. She didn't (if the facts are accurate), walk out of the house and leave her kid unattended. She was there. Right there. So IMO, until we know more, she did nothing "wrong".

Its a tricky one for me, because although SHE didn't walk out of the house and leave her child unattended, in the 3 hours that she was asleep, it seems that HE might have walked out of the house unattended.

I totally get that mums get exhausted (I've had 5 children, bought up 4 as a working single parent so I do understand, totally), but I think there is a big difference between lying on the sofa with your child, and taking a nap with the tv on, safety gate at the door, and front door locked ..... to going to your bed presumably in a different room, leaving a 5 year old with free run of the home and access to outside for 3 hours.

I know people have said the walls of these homes are very thin and you can hear anything ..... but apparently she didn't hear her son getting his coat and boots on, opening the front door, and walking away (if that is how it happened).

This awful case might just save other lives, because I think a lot of people will now be reviewing how they catch up on sleep whilst caring for young children, so maybe poor Noah might not have died in vain. Just locking the door whilst taking a nap might save a life in future.

 

[Amster]

Idk, I think that the sheriff has been kinder and more defensive of this couple than in any other case that I can recall. For 4 days the online community had their hands slapped and their morals questioned at every PC.


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I was thinking he must be related to the mom....but, I guess not. Nobody has said he is...

 

[SeriouslySearching]

If you have a link to the news source/video of statements given by the parents that would be great - I have not seen anything on the parents making a statement.

Also the parents have hired a lawyer and that can be another reason for being incognito..

"Davis would not comment on if a polygraph test had been administered to Noah's parents, but he said that the family has “sought legal advice." He said a lawyer was not present during questioning of the parents."

http://www.richmond.com/news/virgini...cf6908e85.html

Messages on FB from aunt and uncle: https://www.facebook.com/SaveTheNextGirl?fref=nf

I will have to wade through pages and pages, but will find the other references. One man was wearing a black decorated vest (someone thought he might be a veteran) spoke at one vigil and the article said he was a friend of the family. He gave a short message from them.

The aunt has spoken more than once with messages included from the family.

People have not given this family a break from Day 1 and their relatives have spoken on their behalf, but people have ignored it. I guess some only hear what they want to hear.

 

[YidArmyRach]

Why are you so negative? Why must you call them freaks? People (most of whom are parents, grandparents, siblings, aunts, uncles) have every right to be outraged and upset to learn about little innocent children who die directly as the result of lack of proper parental supervision. What kind of parent would allow their 2 yr old to be running around outside of a car wash anyway?

Over here (England) under 16 year olds are not allowed on the garage forecourt. There are signs next to every petrol pump etc saying this. Or at least there are at every garage I've ever used where I live.

 

[lonetraveler]

I think that people were curious to see if one or both parents attended the funeral to see if one or both were arrested. Since LE is not being very talkative in this case about suspects, people are trying to gather clues from actions. Understandable. :dunno:

Just jumping off your post Paintr. Hope you don't mind.

I posted a question earlier if the parents had attended the funeral. Not because I was hovering waiting for them to crumble or that I wanted them to be guilty of something. I asked, simply because on WS we watch and read articles or coverage from MSM on every case. This case is no exception. There has been a lot of coverage on this case because it is so heartbreaking for everyone. I was expecting there to be multiple articles/videos covering the funeral but could not find anything earlier. That was puzzling to me. Since the parents have not been seen by media or community prior to today I was wondering why MSM was not covering the funeral. Now I find that the media was several yards away from the service and have found very little coverage of the service itself.

WS is a crime sleuthing site and that should be explanation in itself for why people have questions about this case. This does not mean that posters are "hoping" that the parents had anything to do with harming this innocent, precious little boy.

Hopefully soon LE will update this case to the community and public and the rumors will die down and go away.

 

[Beesknees]

How many cases do you know of parents that were sleeping and their kids disappeared from their own closed house'

 

[Sweetgrits]

I have heard several people give "statements" from the parents and family of Noah so that is simply not true! I read two very nice posts on FB only a few minutes ago speaking for them from an uncle and an aunt giving thanks for everything including support from their community (some people must be treating them with respect and dignity).

I have come to believe these parents are very introverted and on top of losing their son are not handling this attention well at all. Some people don't. There is no right or wrong way to grieve the loss of a child so we shouldn't judge them for not wanting to do it in public with cameras on them. I don't blame them for being invisible when vultures are hovering above their heads just waiting on them to crumble.

There was never any talk of Noah's parents not attending his service. None. The only tongues wagging in that direction should have been bitten, imo.

Great post! I agree wholeheartedly.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

The only fact I know is that if that if a nap had not occurred, and a parent was keeping an eye on the children, then a certain beautifully impish little boy would not have ended up in a septic tank, dead.

Sadly, that is NOT a fact. She could have been within feet of Noah and he could have crashed down into the septic tank. Without having a way to get to him immediately, the outcome would most likely have been the same.

Case in point, the 2 year old that died today with his mother there. They could not save him.

 

[Tallula.Belle]

Has his full obituary been posted? This is the handsomest pic I've seen of him - what a strikingly beautiful child.

http://www.southwesttimes.com/2015/03/noah-terry-thomas/

Isn't he adorable. Maybe because I am a natural redhead, and had that same color as a child, I just felt so touched by what has happened to this sweet child. My mind can't comprehend someone hurting him.

 

[SStarr33]

We get it, you don't like FB. That doesn't make those that are comfortable with social media trolls or freaks.

Is that you Sheriff?

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LOL, has nothing to do with FB.

 

[courtneyb]

Sadly, that is NOT a fact. She could have been within feet of Noah and he could have crashed down into the septic tank. Without having a way to get to him immediately, the outcome would most likely have been the same.

Case in point, the 2 year old that died today with his mother there. They could not save him.

I guess I should have added that he wouldn't have ended up in the septic tank that day, that time, and in the manner he did.


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