GUILTY VA - Noah Thomas, 5, Pulaski County, 22 March 2015 #4

[CatsInTheCradle]

If you look at Ashley's FB, she looked to be a normal and proud mother of Noah years back. Something changed. Imo

 

[NSS]

2 of my 'littles' are not children I gave birth to. As a result I hate the phrase 'bad choices' when talking about a parents drug taking.

The neglect and abuse is physical, emotional and is not easily reversed. I could write a book on the endless list of damage done to these children. A 'bad choice' is wearing white after labor day, drug taking exposes children to a lifestyle that is dangerous and damaging - I just can't minimise the pain of the children by calling it a bad choice.

Noah paid the ultimate price, and there are thousands of others who go to bed scared, and spend every waking moment trying to do enough to make their parents love them. Forget empathy for drug users, I'm saving mine for their victims.

/end rant

 

[Tillicum]

Not sure if this has been brought up or not but does anyone think that Ashley didn't know Noah was in the septic? Maybe it was a case of, "just do it but I don't want to know where".

As a mom who's lost a child, after umpteen years I still think about him when it's really cold with snow and ice. I just want to run and dig him out and wrap him in blankets to warm him up I can't fathom how she could knowingly allow him to be put in that septic. I just can't.

 

[courtneyb]

Too bad they ever thought of cheaping out and making ridiculous plastic lids (that apparently can also do magic tricks)

And that magic patch of yard. [emoji57]


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[vasportsmom]

I'm not sure how it would work in a case with a child, but aren't there cases where the person supplying a drug to a person that died has been charged with some sort of murder charge?

I would like to think it would still be considered as a charge on the manslaughter - murder charge.. Maybe negligent homicide.

I can think of 3 cases within the last 6ish months that were tried here locally. In one a male gave his gf a lethal dose of heroin and split when he realized she was dead. He pled to 2nd degree and gave up the dealer. In the 2nd a young infant died from an OD of OxyContin. The mother blamed a toddler, saying she must have found the pill under the bed and fed the baby. She was convicted. The 3rd baby died from an OD of suboxone and the mother insisted that it had to be due to breastfeeding. She was really young and pled to involuntary manslaughter because she did call for help when she found the baby.


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[Tulessa]

I am going to step away from here now. The parents were criticized for not speaking out, and now that any words have been uttered they are being jumped on. One post says "saddest" the next says "worst" so we still don't know what she actually said. Who can say they deeply consider every single word that comes out of their mouth at all times? Shes probably exhausted, possibly going through withdrawal, and stressed about being in jail. Not to mention she has just lost her kids, one buried.

What she has done is horrendous, and if convicted I hope she gets the maximum time without parole. And I hope she is never allowed any say in the 6 month olds life again, but she is still a human, she still has feelings and she is entitled to them, no matter what anyone thinks. Maybe I have too much empathy, maybe I should become a defense lawyer, who knows, but I cannot feel hatred in my heart towards another human being.

:grouphug: Nor can I.

 

[cluciano63]

I have empathy for them.I don't really know why.
They made some huge mistakes and will have to live with them the rest of their lives and will regret them.I'd be willing to guess they had little guidance themselves their whole lives which lead to their wild behavior or maybe they were just born stupid I don't know.

We don't know enough, Imo, to know if they deserve any empathy. We don't know what the specifcs are of what was done to Noah or the baby. Swatting a child in frustration vs. burning with cigarettes, for example. Both are illegal, but one is at least somewhat comprehensible as something people do, whether we agree or not. At this point, all sympathy should be with the victims, Noah and baby, Imo.

 

[themom]

I am going to step away from here now. The parents were criticized for not speaking out, and now that any words have been uttered they are being jumped on. One post says "saddest" the next says "worst" so we still don't know what she actually said. Who can say they deeply consider every single word that comes out of their mouth at all times? Shes probably exhausted, possibly going through withdrawal, and stressed about being in jail. Not to mention she has just lost her kids, one buried.

What she has done is horrendous, and if convicted I hope she gets the maximum time without parole. And I hope she is never allowed any say in the 6 month olds life again, but she is still a human, she still has feelings and she is entitled to them, no matter what anyone thinks. Maybe I have too much empathy, maybe I should become a defense lawyer, who knows, but I cannot feel hatred in my heart towards another human being.

Poor Ashley White. So sad for her. Gosh, she's going through withdrawal from drugs. That must be so awful . She TOTALLY must be missing the baby she killed and the 8 month old she was abusing. I feel so, so bad for her

(Sarcasm)

 

[courtneyb]

I can think of 3 cases within the last 6ish months that were tried here locally. In one a male gave his gf a lethal dose of heroin and split when he realized she was dead. He pled to 2nd degree and gave up the dealer. In the 2nd a young infant died from an OD of OxyContin. The mother blamed a toddler, saying she must have found the pill under the bed and fed the baby. She was convicted. The 3rd baby died from an OD of suboxone and the mother insisted that it had to be due to breastfeeding. She was really young and pled to involuntary manslaughter because she did call for help when she found the baby.


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Thanks! I could have looked up some of the info for myself, but I'm bouncing the baby in his bouncer and watching the other kids make an absolute mess making "crayon lollipops". I'd like to have a word with the person who came up with THAT idea.

I think that in conjunction with the felony abuse charges will lead to some type of murder charge, if drugs caused Noah's death.

 

[vasportsmom]

Poor Ashley White. So sad for her. Gosh, she's going through withdrawal from drugs. That must be so awful . She TOTALLY must be missing the baby she killed and the 8 month old she was abusing. I feel so, so bad for her

(Sarcasm)

When you add stress and exhaustion it's so easy to see why the poor thing is struggling. *also sarcasm*


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[oceanblueeyes]

I have empathy for them.I don't really know why.
They made some huge mistakes and will have to live with them the rest of their lives and will regret them.I'd be willing to guess they had little guidance themselves their whole lives which lead to their wild behavior or maybe they were just born stupid I don't know.

We don't even know at this time if Noah was killed purposefully by one of them. He could have been. It wouldn't be the first mom who has murdered a child because she saw them as a burden she didn't want to carry.

If they gave him drugs to make him sleep to get him out of their hair so they could do their own drugs then that is murder to me. No one can legally give a child an illegal drug to begin with. So they would still be guilty of murder imo no matter if he took it accidentally or they made him take it. They cant even legally give him an overdose of OTC medication.

If this is why Noah died they should have known the dire consequences. They had no right to play fast and loose with his life so they could get to do what they wanted to do.

I don't have a bit of sympathy for either one.

 

[Momoffourboys]

This is the kind of thing mothers say when they miscarry, or their child dies. This is the saddest thing that's ever happened to me. I don't see why that's an odd thing to say.

Just jumping in because I have to...
When a mother miscarries she is devastated. Her heart feels like it has been torn into a million pieces. I know, I have felt that gut wrenching pain several time.

When a child dies, I would imagine it to be a million times worse.

 

[CatsInTheCradle]

Just jumping in because I have to...
When a mother miscarries she is devastated. Her heart feels like it has been torn into a million pieces. I know, I have felt that gut wrenching pain several time.

When a child dies, I would imagine it to be a million times worse.

:hug: Please stick around Momoffourboys - this is a tragic case and very difficult to follow (emotionally that is). IMO

 

[Momoffourboys]

:hug: Please stick around Momoffourboys - this is a tragic case and very difficult to follow (emotionally that is). IMO

I've been following from day one. Just haven't posted. I have a hard time with cases involving young children. Thanks, Cats. :loveyou:

 

[winterrose]

I doubt there is $100 between them. The aunt said they both worked all the time just to make ends meet.

Well drugs are expensive, guess they had to do what they had to do to buy them. You'd think it would've been on toys for Noah since all the toys were broken and scattered all over the yard. I was under the impression family hadn't seen them in a long time, Jason hadn't since January, and renters from the house said they'd never seen anyone come to visit, or even the parents outside with Noah, ever. Maybe it was through phone conversations family assumed everything was okay. If you looked at earlier photos, they looked entirely different, so I wonder if things drastically changed in drug use. It doesn't take long depending on what you're using.

 

[Wishbone]

I'm having a hard time believing Noah put himself in the septic tank.

 

[CatsInTheCradle]

I've been following from day one. Just haven't posted. I have a hard time with cases involving young children. Thanks, Cats. :loveyou:

Oh me too and I kind of wish I had never clicked on this thread.

 

[courtneyb]

Just jumping in because I have to...
When a mother miscarries she is devastated. Her heart feels like it has been torn into a million pieces. I know, I have felt that gut wrenching pain several time.

When a child dies, I would imagine it to be a million times worse.

I am sorry for your losses... I know the pain as well, 2 early m/c's, then 1 at 16 weeks, and 1 at 21 weeks. I'd describe the feeling as a lot worse than "sad". And this was a child she had for 5 years, with funny little stories and personality and that magical thinking that I love so much at that age, just before they start to "grow up" and lose that.

"Sad" is a shallow description, from a shallow person, who doesn't really feel what she claims... She is just trying to say what she thinks is the "right" thing.

 

[winterrose]

Just jumping in because I have to...
When a mother miscarries she is devastated. Her heart feels like it has been torn into a million pieces. I know, I have felt that gut wrenching pain several time.

When a child dies, I would imagine it to be a million times worse.

I know, esp if you're the one who's caused it, as she's being charged. The guilt would be overwhelming once you're sitting in jail and have nothing to do but think about it, unless a mother is like CA.

 

[Momoffourboys]

I know, esp if you're the one who's caused it, as she's being charged. The guilt would be overwhelming once you're sitting in jail and have nothing to do but think about it, unless a mother is like CA.

I tripped my dog going down the stairs, by accident. He wasn't hurt. I was besides myself. How could I ALMOST hurt my puppy!

To finish my random thought...Ashley being "sad", especially, knowing she may have caused this...a lucid and humane person would be overcome with grief and anguish.