GUILTY VA - Noah Thomas, 5, Pulaski County, 22 March 2015 #5

[Sparky]

I knew you knew . I actually wrote, "But you knew that already, didn't you?" at the end of my reply but erased it.

I feel certain more severe charges will be brought against the parents at some point and definitely have opinions on the septic, the charges and the mug shots. But they are *opinions*. I do think discussing the different possibilities is valid and interesting but I agree that it seems there are a lot of definitive statements being made in these threads. IMO, when people state their beliefs or opinions are truth and fact, it is very confusing for other members who then come and read and assume they missed some LE statement or big MSM breaking news. Beyond any feelings I have about whether the parents deserve this kind of scrutiny or not, I just don't like it b/c it doesn't make for consistent, objective discussion.

:blowkiss: I knew you knew. Lol

And I agree, but Fact needs to be separated from rumors and more facts need to come out. Jmo

 

[Sparky]

Both parents have been charged with two counts of neglect and abuse. One count for each child. Obviously, LE knows more about this case then they have told the public.

imo, there is no way Noah fell into a buried septic tank "accidentally."

And I respect that, I really do....but do we base our opinions on fact or rumor? Fact..Noah is gone and parents in jail.

All the rest IMO are just that an opinion anyone is entitled to. I believe we must wait for more facts. Jmo

 

[LayzeeDayzee]

My response above that you quoted was more to do with members of the parents' community expressing to the media that they didn't even know there was a baby -- which I found odd, surely they'd have seen her loading a baby into a vehicle car seat?

Also...something else I've thought about. Past MSM articles indicated that Mom alleged she awoke from her long 'nap' at 10:30am, couldn't find Noah in the house, then reportedly immediately called 911. Myself and others found it strange that she would call 911 so quickly, why wouldn't she have gone around the neighborhood and knocked on doors of the neighbors he played with to see if they'd seen him or if perhaps he was inside one of their homes playing with their kids. Guess it makes sense she didn't bother searching outside of the home and putting on a big show, calling for him, knocking on doors, etc........if she knew exactly where he was/knew exactly that he was not out playing/at anyone's home, IMO.

I believe LE verified the family was seen on a shop surveillance camera Saturday evening (thought I don't know how late). While I agree that there is a whole lot of time something could have happened (and seemingly little else about AW's initial report of the timeline on Sunday has proven to be true), there has not been anything stated by LE that shows he did not accompany them to drop PT at work on Sunday. (I personally doubt it, but that is JMO).

 

[MyBelle]

:blowkiss: I knew you knew. Lol

And I agree, but Fact needs to be separated from rumors and more facts need to come out. Jmo

The two most troubling facts in this case are that the mother admits she went to sleep and that the child was found in a septic tank. It is unrealistic to believe opinions will wait on more "facts."

 

[Tallula.Belle]

My response above that you quoted was more to do with members of the parents' community expressing to the media that they didn't even know there was a baby -- which I found odd, surely they'd have seen her loading a baby into a vehicle car seat?

Also...something else I've thought about. Past MSM articles indicated that Mom alleged she awoke from her long 'nap' at 10:30am, couldn't find Noah in the house, then reportedly immediately called 911. Myself and others found it strange that she would call 911 so quickly, why wouldn't she have gone around the neighborhood and knocked on doors of the neighbors he played with to see if they'd seen him or if perhaps he was inside one of their homes playing with their kids. Guess it makes sense she didn't bother searching outside of the home and putting on a big show, calling for him, knocking on doors, etc........if she knew exactly where he was/knew exactly that he was not out playing/at anyone's home, IMO.

Isn't that one house the only neighbor they have? It looked kind of rural. I read so many things about the timeline that I am confused. I heard she searched before calling 911, but who knows. I don't find it strange about the baby. The house beside them faced the opposite direction. I also base it on my own knowledge of my neighbors.

When I was growing up, neighbors were almost like family. I don't even know the names of a single neighbor of ours. We moved to a different state, and my husband was in the military and gone a lot. I was taking care of my elderly mom, in my home and our driveway and our neighbors, are on opposite sides. They work 10 to 12 hours a day, and I have only seen them to wave a few times.

What I would like to know, is who kept the kids when she worked? I read somewhere she worked at a restaurant but that could be wrong. I do know PTs sister said they both worked. They said Noah rode the bus, so surely someone was there when he got home.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Not sure it's accurate to compare septic tanks/lids in the UK to those in the US, likely is comparing apples to oranges, IMO.

That may be so on some things, but I agree that the covers have to be pretty sturdy because most have soil covering the lid and people mow over them with various lawn mowers. JMO from experience.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Just a random thought.. If it wasn't a tip maybe it was recovered search history from a phone or computer? Just thinking out loud

And the tip that the LEO orig spoke of, may mean diff thing than what we think as a tip ~ like from the tip line. Could be investigative info they recd or along those lines.

 

[arkansasmimi]

I believe LE verified the family was seen on a shop surveillance camera Saturday evening (thought I don't know how late). While I agree that there is a whole lot of time something could have happened (and seemingly little else about AW's initial report of the timeline on Sunday has proven to be true), there has not been anything stated by LE that shows he did not accompany them to drop PT at work on Sunday. (I personally doubt it, but that is JMO).

I agree. The whole thing that's strange is the date of offense on the booking. Dad was date of disappearance and Mom date of the arrest. I have to admit that peeks my curiosity a bit.

 

[Bravo]

All I can say is when your child ends up on your property septic tank it's not good. Either one or both are beyond evil and/or there is an addiction. Either way this little man had an epic fail of people who knew something was not right within. Shame on the Parents and shame on those who maybe could have called. Maybe some did?? Knowing this poor child ended his life in a filthy septic tank is beyond disgusting and whatever else LE knows about their care. Which I think is huge IMO.
ETA-charges are always upped when forensics are returned.

 

[RT51]

Regarding drug testing of hair: Years ago, I got a part time job as a waitress. Part of the application was to go for drug testing and they used hair. Me, being the curious type, I asked the tester, "what if the person shaved their head?" Answer: "We take hair from where you don't want to know." So there are other ways of testing hair if the subject dyes their hair. So, if Dad did color his hair, then that was not a deterrent.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Interesting, in reference to the plastic lids:

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Experts say it all comes down to what type of lid, if any, was on the tank that day. So far, all investigators will say is that the septic tank itself is underground.

But we don't know if the Thomas's tank, like many Virginia homeowners', has a plastic riser on it, which would make it accessible above ground.

A lightweight plastic lid is usually placed over the rise to cover the tank. The owner of 'Five Star Septic' tells ABC 13 the plastic lid is usually secured with more than 8 screws, which would make it impossible for anyone to uncover. But if the lid is not screwed on, he says even a child could pull the cover off.

As for more traditional septic tanks, like the ones most homes in our area have, the lid itself is actually buried about a foot deep. Dale Wilson, owner of Wilson's Septic Tank Service, says those lids are usually made out of cement and are even difficult for someone of his size to pull off.

"Newer tanks these days are quite a bit thicker than that top, but even that top is almost 100 pounds. There is no way any small person can lift that by himself. No way” said Wilson. http://www.wset.com/story/28635381/...thomas-accidentally-fell-into-the-septic-tank

Its possible that the type of cover on the septic is different than those I am familiar with. I looked up risers that the gentleman was talking about. It can a plastic tubing type thing that makes it easier access than having to dig down. On the top is the lid. Its very possible that the top was not covered with soil or sod. (sorry I very well could have missed if it was or wasn't) Google Septic tank risers.... Her is an example, there are many... Have no idea what the actual cover looks like but, if the septic was like this it would be much easier assessed with out someone seeing messed with like I was thinking prior.

http://aoseptic.com/lidrisers.htm <again just an example...

 

[arkansasmimi]

According to This article, it IS BELIEVED to have a riser.... http://www.wsls.com/story/28632222/...-on-septic-tank-noah-thomas-body-was-found-in

March 27
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PULASKI CO. (WSLS 10) - On Friday further information was released on the septic tank 5-year-old Noah Thomas' body was discovered in.
Sources say the septic tank is considered a "high rise" even though it's ground level. This type of tank has a plastic lid that goes over the top. Authorities have not said if the top was on or off when they found Noah.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Thinking out loud, I wonder if Noah liked TMNT ..could he have found the septic take lid and tried to pretend? Do we know what cartoons he was allegedly watching? (still catching up still unsure of opinion...) :

 

[hmartin]

Arkansasmimi I had that same thought. My boys love tmnt

 

[arkansasmimi]

TMNT live or work in the sewer system... (I just know bits and pieces lol)

 

[arkansasmimi]

Arkansasmimi I had that same thought. My boys love tmnt

My grandsons do too, as well as my little neighbor friends. Which is what made me think of it after seeing that article about the RISER thing on septic tank. My parents isn't like that. Didn't have a clue on that part...

But when I Googled it, and saw flesh to ground..... I thought about the lil boys next door, the city put in a new sewer manhole last summer and it happens to be at the near end of their driveway! One of my grands and one of neighbor kids were playing and they were pretending that THATS WHERE THE TURTLES LIVED! Freaked me out, I went and made sure that they couldn't open. Whew, you have to have a special tool. And its metal.... AND the Turtles had a new movie out recently.... Again just thinking out loud...

 

[hmartin]

The thought definitely crossed my mind also. Thank God our septic is buried about 2ft underground

 

[arkansasmimi]

The thought definitely crossed my mind also. Thank God our septic is buried about 2ft underground

One of my grandsons is 5 will turn 6 in July.... and at this age they really like to pretend (boys and girls). The thought of this makes my stomach ill.

Yes, my parents is buried type, also.

 

[hmartin]

My kids are 5,6,8 & 11 and all love tmnt.. after this case we all had a long talk

 

[arkansasmimi]

Tox screen could possibly just be related to whatever caused the removal of the infant sister day after Noah went missing. JMHO, but I would think that if Noah had ingested something, it would be in his stomach contents, wouldn't it?? IIRC from another case I read about, the tox screen would show by diff levels depending how long prior it was introduced to the body.

Interesting info from WebMD, on toxicology: http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/addiction/features/the-truth-about-toxicology-tests?page=2

ETA: We know what both parents have been charged with, but not as to why those charges were made, specifically. Yes , I saw what the codes mean, but LEO had to have a reason to chose those codes and how they were applied. The offense date as I said and many others have, is puzzling.....Why the baby was removed from the home will shed a lot of light. JMHO