GUILTY VA - Noah Thomas, 5, Pulaski County, 22 March 2015 #5

[YidArmyRach]

OMG lol same here! My MOM! When I was little, her and my aunt (her sis in law) would read and share those True Detective mags. Then later buy books. I too read them. And yes I remb one of my first was that case on Darlie!!! Another one that got me was Diane Downs! I had a newborn when Diane shot her 3 kids! I guess that was the first case I followed much in the news as an adult. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Downs

And I totally understand what you mean about one GETTING to ya. The case of Ronald Gene Simmons who killed his whole family in Dover AR. At CHRISTMAS! Then killed some others! THAT one .. I know a retired guard that worked in the area with RGS. He told us stories that would make skin crawl. He not the type to make up stuff lol. REAL STRICT on stuff (friend) That case got to me bad.

Same for me - I used to spend my pocket money on those true detective magazines. I remember when my parents moved house (after I had left home) my dad being rather worried about the large collection of crime books I'd left in the loft. He said he was going to let people know that should he go missing, I should be investigated as I knew too much about forensics!

The first case that really gripped me was a book I was given about a mum who claimed her baby daughter had been kidnapped, and was later found deceased dumped in a bin bag. She then had a son, but when she had a second daughter, she made the same claim - a kidnapper had taken the baby girl, who was found deceased. I can't remember much more about it - it must have been about 20 years ago when I read the book - but the mum was jailed for both killings and the dad, I think, wasn't involved. The forensics all involved matching the pattern in the make up of the plastic bag the baby was found in, to a roll found in their house. That was the start of my interest in crime solving, as much as crime itself. I even ended up doing a degree covering criminology!

 

[vasportsmom]

I don't pay too much attention to what she says, it's getting a little bizarre over there. He was probably only about 4 in that timeframe and kids colors always change at that age.

Yes, it is. I think that since the aunt & uncle have backed off posting others have stepped up and, at the very least, are exaggerating their relationship with the family to make sure their page still has "exclusives".


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[AnnaGrace]

My number one question, like lilybell, is how did little Noah end up in the septic tank. I know this won't be answered until LE shares more results from the autopsy, or even later. Was Noah deceased before he ended up in there would be second?

 

[AnnaGrace]

I've always had an interest in true crime too. I love the ID channel, much to my husband's chagrin. But then he loves war movies and def not my favorite. Noah's case is the first child case (fairly local for me) I've followed closely. I've carried my heart on my sleeve since he was reported missing. A lot of emotions have gone along with the following of Noah's case.

 

[passionflower]

Walmart video...........Lots of clues for LE?
What did they buy? (food? drug? toys? Easter? booze?)
Who was in the video? Was Noah and sister in it?
How were the children acting? (tired? cranky?) adults acting?(angry? tired? high?)
What time was it?
How were they dressed? (ready to go out?)

so do they go straight home?
stop somewhere?

IMO, Noah died shortly after Walmart and ended up in the septic in the wee hours of the night.
Was the moon full? Did PT already have the sod cut and bolts off while daylight?

If this was an accident or spare of the moment death, IMO his little body would of been in the woods somewhere.
That would help AW story of him wandering off. Hidden so well, someone did not want him ever found again.
Someone did not want an autopsy or investigation. Not a stranger.............

as for a parent letting a child out all day til 10pm.............neighbors all caring for the child. I had a neighbor like that. Fortunately everyone did care for her children....free babysitting for an egg donor. Some women just think a child will come home, will feed themselves, won' get hurt. This type of parent only thinks of themselves and not the child. JMOO

 

[menmo]

Hope there is more room at the weirdo table.

I have always loved mystery books when I was younger and would read them while my mom was reading her detective or crime books. Some have asked me through the years why I would want to read or be involved with "that stuff". I don't want involved so let's be clear about that. I do like reality much more than fiction as I feel it teaches me along the way. Biographies and real life stories are what's interesting to me, not Sci Fi like my husband enjoys. Each to their own.

About Noah's favorite color. My grandson is 9 and since he's been two he's been saying his favorite color is blue. He's going to live in a blue house, have a blue Jeep, wants to plant blue flowers. I tape the grandkids periodically at random times with random questions so they have something live to look back on when they're older and see how cute they are. I was taping the 9 year old last year and he had sang a song for me, then I started with the questions. When I got to what's your favorite color and he said red I was floored. I asked his mom when that happened and she said a couple of weeks ago. Floored her, too. So yes favorite colors can change but I don't believe Tabitha, and I don't believe his parents.

I'm so disappointed in myself for sitting on the fence so long. I just wanted to believe that at least this one would be different. This one would be just a couple of young kids doing the best they could. I'll admit cases like that seem few and far between but I desperately wanted that for Noah. I think if we had been able to view the parents I would have fallen off of said fence earlier. Sometimes a picture paints a thousand words. Sometimes it's masked by what the photographer wants you to see. I think in this case it would have helped me.

Sabrina Aisenberg and watching Susan Smith are some of the first I remember following, but Shaniya Davis haunts me deep within my soul.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...uilty-to-2nd-Degree-murder!&highlight=shanyia


JMO

 

[QueenD]

I'm with you on this. I looked at what all was on his little grave and I just wanted to clean it up so bad, where everything looked fresh and crisp. I certainly would not be taking pics and smiling. The other day my sister and I went to our parents' graves and put out beautiful spring flowers and for the first time ever I started to take a picture so I could show out of town family members, but it just didn't feel right. This is just ME folks - MO

Hahha, no it's not just you. When my Mother first passed my Dad use to take "trinkets" to her grave all the time. Use to drive me crazy.
I would throw them away after time, he would fuss and say someone is stealing them. Hahaha.
My Mom is buried in a rural primitive type cometary lots of older graves. Lot of the graves there have the trinkets and stuff on them. It just looks junkie to me. The newer side isn't like that.

So sad to see the children graves including little Noah's.




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[Schmaley]

Walmart video...........Lots of clues for LE?
What did they buy? (food? drug? toys? Easter? booze?)
Who was in the video? Was Noah and sister in it?
How were the children acting? (tired? cranky?) adults acting?(angry? tired? high?)
What time was it?
How were they dressed? (ready to go out?)

so do they go straight home?
stop somewhere?

IMO, Noah died shortly after Walmart and ended up in the septic in the wee hours of the night.
Was the moon full? Did PT already have the sod cut and bolts off while daylight?

If this was an accident or spare of the moment death, IMO his little body would of been in the woods somewhere.
That would help AW story of him wandering off. Hidden so well, someone did not want him ever found again.
Someone did not want an autopsy or investigation. Not a stranger.............

This is interesting. I have never thought of the details of a surveillance cam providing so much insight but those certainly could. One theory I have heard is that perhaps Noah had stumbled across drugs and ingested them and that was his COD. So I wonder what time he was at Walmart and what was he acting like? If it was late at night (for some reason 7pm is jumping out at me and that is late in my household) but how much time would that allow for him to get home, potentially ingest the narcotics or script or whatever and have it take its effects for the parents to notice? I would think if that was cod, that Noah would have been sleeping when it took effect and then not been found until early am.

Hi, I don't think I am making any sense when I type. Sorry.

 

[Amster]

Hahha, no it's not just you. When my Mother first passed my Dad use to take "trinkets" to her grave all the time. Use to drive me crazy.
I would throw them away after time, he would fuss and say someone is stealing them. Hahaha.
My Mom is buried in a rural primitive type cometary lots of older graves. Lot of the graves there have the trinkets and stuff on them. It just looks junkie to me. The newer side isn't like that.

So sad to see the children graves including little Noah's.




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Makes me feel sad for your dad....

 

[Makaroni]

Just another weirdo I guess ... But yeah, that page is a train wreck! I don't get all the folks posting pictures of their grieving children for the entire world to see. And all the stuff people want to send for the grave .. Why?!? We have a cemetery on our property. Only one grave has stuff on it and that's because that man's brother visits. Why strangers feel the need to send a bear or whatever is beyond me. But I guess that's why I'm at the weirdo table ...

 

[QueenD]

Makes me feel sad for your dad....

He's fine, he remarried 6 months later.




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[passionflower]

parents charged............LE said ......'disregard for human life'...........what does that actually mean?
any ideas?
no medical treatment?
not fed?
no bed?
unclean? unkept?
bugs? ticks? fleas?
around dangerous people? drugs?
I cannot picture this myself, because I have never really seen it.

 

[ANonyMs]

parents charged............LE said ......'disregard for human life'...........what does that actually mean?
any ideas?
no medical treatment?
not fed?
no bed?
unclean? unkept?
bugs? ticks? fleas?
around dangerous people? drugs?
I cannot picture this myself, because I have never really seen it.

"disregard for human life" is a phrase in the Virginia code under which they were charged. The code, as well as the DSS manual I linked to yesterday, provide umpteen examples of what it could be. I don't imagine we are going to get any confirmation of the specific neglect/abuse that led to the charges for quite a while. But yeah, it could have been pretty much any of the things you mentioned. The code also specifically states that access to illegal drugs or controlled substances is a potential criteria (it breaks that and leaving a child in the care of a known sex offender as specific criteria in addition to the various other things listed).

In a nutshell, it means that their actions were so egregious, they should have known that it could cost him his life.

 

[ANonyMs]

Just another weirdo I guess ... But yeah, that page is a train wreck! I don't get all the folks posting pictures of their grieving children for the entire world to see. And all the stuff people want to send for the grave .. Why?!? We have a cemetery on our property. Only one grave has stuff on it and that's because that man's brother visits. Why strangers feel the need to send a bear or whatever is beyond me. But I guess that's why I'm at the weirdo table ...

May I join you at the table? I understand that people's hearts break for this child but I truly do not understand the pinwheels and bears and balloons, etc. I understand it is a kind gesture but I just don't get it.

Then again, I am super anti-balloon release as it is harmful to the environment and wildlife. I have never understood celebrating a life by littering.

I have a friend whose son overdosed last year at age 17. She leaves things at his grave frequently. She went to the extent of discussing it with the cemetery management company. They are very careful with the items left there. They do have to remove them for lawn maintenance but they never dispose of anything. They save it in a special place. They also prosecute people found stealing from grave sites. I try to be compassionate but I just look at all the stuff left there and I see the wind blowing debris around and I feel like it is a poor way to honor someone. Yep. I am a weirdo.

 

[deugirtni]

When I visit a grave, I will sometimes walk around a little, and I see these 'trinket' things. All kinds of things.. stuffed little animals, little trinkets, what I envisioned as being some of the deceased's favorite things, as well as flowers, candles, mostly on the graves of children, and it just makes me bawl, because I can just feel the agony and grief of those who loved the deceased. Such an incredibly sad place. Surely not a place for a child, imho.

Hahha, no it's not just you. When my Mother first passed my Dad use to take "trinkets" to her grave all the time. Use to drive me crazy.
I would throw them away after time, he would fuss and say someone is stealing them. Hahaha.
My Mom is buried in a rural primitive type cometary lots of older graves. Lot of the graves there have the trinkets and stuff on them. It just looks junkie to me. The newer side isn't like that.

So sad to see the children graves including little Noah's.




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[Amster]

He's fine, he remarried 6 months later.




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Oh! I understand, now. The finding it funny....ha ha....that he believed the tokens he left for his dead wife were being stolen.....

 

[wendybtn]

I have to agree with ya on that one about it being strange. Compared to what we are use to seeing ... forever I guess when someone has gone missing. Even in the days before social media. Then we have the Susan Smith type.... or what was the family that was wrongly accused but the child has still never been found? A baby I think.. gosh mind went blank. I am like everyone else, if my family member was missing, I would def hope I would have the strength to stand up or at least sit in a chair and plead for their return. So I guess, this case for what ever reason they didn't, can be a first on that page ...

Sabrina Aisenburg, Florida case, 1997. That case has always bothered me.

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2009/12/baby_sabrina_aisenberg_disappe.php

 

[ANonyMs]

Hi, I don't think I am making any sense when I type. Sorry.

I feel like this pretty much all the time.

 

[ANonyMs]

Not sure if the name has travelled beyond the UK, but we call that type of person a "grief wh**e".

Can't speak for the civilian community in the US but that term is definitely known in US military circles. We see it a lot with service members killed in the line of duty. You described it really well. And you are correct that it is not always intentional.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I've always had an interest in true crime too. I love the ID channel, much to my husband's chagrin. But then he loves war movies and def not my favorite. Noah's case is the first child case (fairly local for me) I've followed closely. I've carried my heart on my sleeve since he was reported missing. A lot of emotions have gone along with the following of Noah's case.

It works very well in our home. My hubby does like to watch true crime stories and even LMN and war stories are some of my favorite movies to watch. If the war movie is based on non-fiction I like them even more just like I prefer true crime stories.

It wouldn't be a problem for us anyway since we have three tvs in our home. But I cant even remember one time that either of us went into another room to watch something the other one didn't watch. We have always watched programs and DVDs together.

Once upon a time I use to watch Nancy Grace and he even tolerated that although she drove him crazy with her rude crass demeanor. I have to admit he was very happy when I totally stopped watching her a couple of years ago. I also stopped watching HLN after the Arias guilt phase.

He knows all about Noah's tragic case and all the other cases I keep up with. When he comes in from work if a trial is going on he asked me what happened that day in the trial. He did sit down and watched Juan Martinez when was up asking questions in the JA trial. He was amazed at how well he did and never took any notes. He has watched many verdicts with me. When the media had announced they had a verdict in the JA case ....I had laid down earlier to take a short nap, and he came back there to wake me up to tell me they had a verdict. He knew I didn't want to miss it.

But then I am genuinely interested in his hobbies too from golfing, fishing or hunting so we have conversations about those as well. Of course I listen intently when he is telling me about something that happened at work.

IMO