GUILTY VA - Noah Thomas, 5, Pulaski County, 22 March 2015 #5

[courtneyb]

IMO and not directed at anyone. We have no information on these pokemon cards at all. It appeared on the original flier, but was then removed so I see no basis for some kind speculation of plant by the parents. I don't think they were that smart or complicated. Someties these speculations and what-ifs grow legs and within 3 pages it's fact.

Maybe I missed some information on their existence?

JMO

They were discussed here a LOT, earlier on. I think some of us are just wondering IF they existed, and IF SO, their significance, if any. I haven't seen anyone in the current discussion speculating anything other than, "Wonder what that was about?" Did I miss it that we aren't allowed to talk about them? I've been busy the past few hours...

 

[lillybell]

I wonder if the pokemon cards were purchased on their outing Saturday night, and that's why they were mentioned? Do we know where they went Saturday night? I thought I've read a couple different things; that they were at Walmart? And they got dinner somewhere with Jason and Katherine. Do we know any of that to be true?

I remember reading they were on CCTV at a local store, they said Sunday at first, then it was changed to Saturday night.
I have been wondering about that too. If there is survallaince footage of the family from the sat night, then there must have been some sort of trip out.

I found this, that Jason Thomas states the last time he saw Noah.

He said the last time he got to see Noah was in January, and added, “I just wish I could see him and hug him again. I want to know what happened and I want to know he didn’t suffer. I hope not.”

http://www.southwesttimes.com/2015/...tinue-to-cooperate-during-tragic-tragic-time/

 

[MyBelle]

IMO and not directed at anyone. We have no information on these pokemon cards at all. It appeared on the original flier, but was then removed so I see no basis for some kind speculation of plant by the parents. I don't think they were that smart or complicated. Someties these speculations and what-ifs grow legs and within 3 pages it's fact.

Maybe I missed some information on their existence?

JMO

If the cards were mentioned on the first flier then why is it speculation to question why they were not mentioned again? Where the cards were discovered is just as important as the clothing the child was wearing when found. Did it match what the parents said he was wearing? The answers to the questions make the difference between whether the child died and his body placed in the septic tank or did he accidentally fall into the tank. Innocent parents have no reason to lie about cards or clothing or anything else.

JMO

 

[vasportsmom]

I remember reading they were on CCTV at a local store, they said Sunday at first, then it was changed to Saturday night.
I have been wondering about that too. If there is survallaince footage of the family from the sat night, then there must have been some sort of trip out.

I found this, that Jason Thomas states the last time he saw Noah.

He said the last time he got to see Noah was in January, and added, “I just wish I could see him and hug him again. I want to know what happened and I want to know he didn’t suffer. I hope not.”

http://www.southwesttimes.com/2015/...tinue-to-cooperate-during-tragic-tragic-time/

It was said that they attended a basketball game that Saturday night. Another mom had taken a pic of her son and his friends, including Noah, which is where the picture of him wearing the same outfit he went missing in came from.
I wish they would release the CCTV footage but I don't expect it to happen. To the best knowledge we have never gotten confirmation of where it was taken. So many missing pieces in this case.


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[cvillemegan]

This was the post I replied to. The poster said AW deleted stuff off her FB. My point is that she in jail. So, if stuff is gone, someone else had to delete it.

Are you saying nothing has been deleted? She is saying it has? I am lost.

I was viewing from my phone and couldn't see anything on her profile; I went back from a computer, and maybe the only thing she deleted was her profile pic. I seem to recall before she had a real photo of herself; now it's just the genetic female FB avatar. I do still see the posts about Noah from several years ago, with some recent comments from people remembering Noah and bashing her. Wonder how and when things first started to go bad.

 

[courtneyb]

I remember reading they were on CCTV at a local store, they said Sunday at first, then it was changed to Saturday night.
I have been wondering about that too. If there is survallaince footage of the family from the sat night, then there must have been some sort of trip out.

I found this, that Jason Thomas states the last time he saw Noah.

He said the last time he got to see Noah was in January, and added, “I just wish I could see him and hug him again. I want to know what happened and I want to know he didn’t suffer. I hope not.”

http://www.southwesttimes.com/2015/...tinue-to-cooperate-during-tragic-tragic-time/

Ohhhh, thank you! I read a comment *somewhere* where someone claimed that those 4 adults were together Saturday night. I assumed they meant out, maybe on video, Saturday evening. But perhaps they were alluding to later, which is much more sinister.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Nicely said. Thanks for adding your perspective. I can be a curmudgeon about these things. I agree on all you said about children and the grieving process.

My fear is the sensationalism that is being built up around this spilling over to the kids. I cannot recall which of the FB pages showed a pic of a kid, a classmate maybe, posing at the grave. That is what makes me uncomfortable. Even if you want to take the picture for your own kid to save for the future, I don't find it appropriate to share on a public FB page.

I agree with both your comments. I believe it is up to the individual and their personal comfort with situation. I was raised, as I guess it has to go back many generations, of taking pictures of family members in their coffin and of the grave afterwards. I have no qualms about it. They just look peacefully resting. I thinking maybe it was because some are so grief stricken that later they may not remember and it was for them. Honestly, I as a X-time granddtr or great niece of some of them are kinda glad, because it is only surviving photo of some. Weird but hey, I am one of those that people were sitting on my lap at the Weird table til we got the Community Pavilion Dedicated to Us for our Sleuthing Weird Selves

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[arkansasmimi]

We may also need to start a group for those of us who walk around cemeteries reading headstones in a non-creepy, non-goth, just purely for the interest and the communion with history way. My mom and I do this when we explore old cities. We are fascinated by names, piecing together family histories, looking for how the patterns fit in to the history of the area. Let's make that a separate group from the Weirdo Table.

LOL, WELL THERE are people that already beat us to that. FIND A GRAVE?? Genealogy is full of all that kind of stuff. I love it. And I will confess, I read the Obits daily.... My reasoning... someone passed, and they were important. I know that if I read it than their obit got read by someone that didn't know them and they weren't at least overlooked. And my coworkers always messed with me. (knowing why I did it. And I get tickled easily... some names make me laugh, especially older names) Once I there was a lady Daisy Flowers, she was 94 yrs young. I thought it was funny and sweet in the same way. The whole naming tradition generations ago did have patterns.

Laughing, I saw a piece on tv once made me laugh, said someday will be a bunch of old ladies named Tiffany, Brittney, Amber, Nicole, and a few others. LOL those names there were about 3 at least in each of my daughters classes through out school! makes me giggle

 

[arkansasmimi]

I shouldn't laugh but I did. It really is amazing what dying did for his image.


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Yep, like a mean ole drunk who beat his/her spouse/ kids, was a thief no one wanted around or just (fill in the adj) then they die in some be it tragic or just suddenly... and Mr/Mrs so in so was the nicest person. Always there to help or do anything for anyone. He/She is going to be truly missed! lol sorry I just see it too many times and read it on FB all the time now too lol

 

[arkansasmimi]

I have a sister that I swear, if she knows someone that MIGHT be related to someone who died, she is at that funeral. I think it's a voyeur type thing with some people.


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LOL wasn't there a movie about a lady who went to funerals to meet people? I know that when husb of my mom cousin drowned, LEO told them not to put in the obit their address.. (not sure if still do but yrs ago people use to put family will be at xxx address) And its always good especially now days to have someone stay at the home during the funeral service. People read obits and break into peoples homes while they are away at funeral!! Low lifes I tell ya

 

[arkansasmimi]

Do you guys think if this goes to trial and the parents don't plea or aren't offered a plea deal, tabatha could be subpoenaed by the defense to testify to the stuff she wrote on facebook if they thought it was favorable to the defense?

Depends, because some of it I read was conflicting... he was at her home a lot (per her comments) but she also had the mothers cell # and conversed. She has also stated that she never saw him look abused, dirty, unhealthy.

 

[arkansasmimi]

Yes, yes, and yes.

The grave visiting and the coordinating of present deliveries and photo ops has become a spectacle that I suspect is serving to fulfill a need that Tabitha has that has nothing to do with grieving. And I don't think it's guilt because she somehow didn't prevent what happened to Noah. In my opinion, most people do not flagrantly display their guilt. Some people may think that taking photos of your smiling children holding a stuffed animal that was on the grave of a 5 year old who has been dead for a week, a normal grieving behavior. I don't, but to each their own. The posting of those pictures of the children on a public facebook page that is often filled with threats, animosity, and just general ugliness, is irresponsible in the least. If you want those photos, keep them private, or post them on your private fb page. Tabitha's personal page, despite me hearing directly from her (not on here) that she has been the recipient of death threats and whatnot, is still public (as of yesterday) and one could read and see everything. I am concerned that her need to be the Great Arbiter of Advocacy for the Memory of Noah is exploitative of her children and possibly even exposing them to danger. You're receiving death threats, woman... Quit posting pictures of your kids for the crazies to see. Even if it is a "normal" part of grieving for her, protect your children. Making your grieving and the grieving of your children public is not as important at the moment as the safety of your family.

Eyeroll... or the whole "I wish we had never moved, maybe it wouldn't have happened" 50 people then tell her its not your fault you don't need to feel responsible... or when Tabitha decides to stay home with her child and not go to the vigil (I agree and respect that) but then to say I know people are gonna be taking about me because I AM NOT THERE! Someone came back and said to her, not rude.. but told her no one said anything about her not being there and how nice it was. *disclaimer, I didn't see a lot of what has been deleted everywhere in beginning so there could be valid reasons some things are still up and can be taken out of context. But lots of it sadly isn't, because can tell by conversation and date/times posted.

 

[gamatilda]

If I am not allowed to post this,mods please delete.
On the his FB page, Reporter Orlando Salinas, has given a little more information about the day Noah went missing and about the septic tank. He apparently interviewed several people who were on the scene. Interesting information if it is true.

 

[MyBelle]

Yes, yes, and yes.

The grave visiting and the coordinating of present deliveries and photo ops has become a spectacle that I suspect is serving to fulfill a need that Tabitha has that has nothing to do with grieving. And I don't think it's guilt because she somehow didn't prevent what happened to Noah. In my opinion, most people do not flagrantly display their guilt. Some people may think that taking photos of your smiling children holding a stuffed animal that was on the grave of a 5 year old who has been dead for a week, a normal grieving behavior. I don't, but to each their own. The posting of those pictures of the children on a public facebook page that is often filled with threats, animosity, and just general ugliness, is irresponsible in the least. If you want those photos, keep them private, or post them on your private fb page. Tabitha's personal page, despite me hearing directly from her (not on here) that she has been the recipient of death threats and whatnot, is still public (as of yesterday) and one could read and see everything. I am concerned that her need to be the Great Arbiter of Advocacy for the Memory of Noah is exploitative of her children and possibly even exposing them to danger. You're receiving death threats, woman... Quit posting pictures of your kids for the crazies to see. Even if it is a "normal" part of grieving for her, protect your children. Making your grieving and the grieving of your children public is not as important at the moment as the safety of your family.

The need to polish her image as a caring mother could be to mask her own shortcomings. There is a case right now near Boston where authorities found babies and corpses of babies in a filthy pig sty of a home. The mother has been arrested. Her facebook postings made her appear to be June Cleaver, the exact opposite of what her home life really was.


JMO

 

[courtneyb]

If I am not allowed to post this,mods please delete.
According to the Justice FB page, The reporter, Orlando Salinas, has given a little more information about the day Noah went missing and about the septic tank. He apparently interviewed several people who were on the scene. Interesting information if it is true.

Wow... Interesting... wonder if he just received this info and from where?

 

[lillybell]

Wow... Interesting... wonder if he just received this info and from where?

Wow, indeed! Who were the two men?

 

[vasportsmom]

That FB page is off limits


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[ANonyMs]

If I am not allowed to post this,mods please delete.
According to the Justice FB page, The reporter, Orlando Salinas, has given a little more information about the day Noah went missing and about the septic tank. He apparently interviewed several people who were on the scene. Interesting information if it is true.

If you could provide us with the MSM link where Orlando Salinas shares that, it would be much appreciated! TIA

 

[lillybell]

Orlando has it on his FB wdbj7 page, can I link that?

 

[vasportsmom]

If you could provide us with the MSM link where Orlando Salinas shares that, it would be much appreciated! TIA

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Orlando-Salinas-WDBJ7/1616434831922243

That should be acceptable. It's 3rd post down.


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