VA VA - Ralph Leon Jackson, Blue Ridge Parkway Shooter, 4 May 2010

[jaejae]

Well thank you for permission to have my say on things. And I guess I will leave you and the FBI to the EAR/ ONS case. Since you don't present evidence or answer questions based upon your theories. I will leave you to responding to your own posts for another 13+ pages. Cheers!

That's ok I am used to it

 

[jaejae]

Here is a report about an Australian case where DNA phenotyping and investigative genetic genealogy get a mention:

Family urges police to use DNA testing to find grandmother's killer

 

[jaejae]

ParaBon Labs have of course been involved in the use of investigative genetic genealogy with the use of their lead genetic genealogy scientist CeCe Moore but prior to this they developed DNA Phenotyping and here is a recent report about it:

SC police using DNA to sketch cold-case suspects, but some say it's not accurate enough

 

[jaejae]

ParaBon Labs have of course been involved in the use of investigative genetic genealogy with the use of their lead genetic genealogy scientist CeCe Moore but prior to this they developed DNA Phenotyping and here is a recent report about it:

SC police using DNA to sketch cold-case suspects, but some say it's not accurate enough

Of course there are issues of labelling people racially of course with DNA phenotyping. ParaBon Labs and their chief genetic genealogy scientist CeCe Moore of course identified an African American man as being the possible offender in a case in Alabama. Here is a report about DNA phenotyping and racial profiling:

The visibilities and invisibilities of race entangled with forensic DNA phenotyping technology - ScienceDirect

 

[jaejae]

This report is related to the one already posted but there is a little bit more information in it including some comments from Curtis Rogers the owner of GEDMATCH:

The DNA database used to find the Golden State Killer is a national security leak waiting to happen

It sounds like GEDMATCH are dealing with it though:

Rogers, who is not a computer programmer, did not offer details about what fixes GEDmatch had implemented. “I let the technical people work on it and I believe they have,” he said in an interview. He later emailed to say the site was “actively working to add more security measures based on the reported problems.”

Ney says he does not believe the genealogy site is secure. “How much effort does it take to secure a large website with a million plus in genetic data? I think it’s hard for anyone to do, the questions I have is whether a volunteer run effort is capable of having the manpower to handle it,” says Ney.

Here is another report about the possible security concerns about the Website GEDMATCH:

Imposters Could Pose as a Relative Using Your DNA Info

 

[jaejae]

Here is a recent report about the use of genetic genealogy by LE:

‘Game-Changer’ Warrant Let Detective Search Genetic Database

 

[jaejae]

Here is a recent report about the use of genetic genealogy by LE:

‘Game-Changer’ Warrant Let Detective Search Genetic Database

Again I address my posts to civil liberty groups, Public Defenders and concern politicians and citizens. It is my belief this court order is a very dangerous development as LE using genetic genealogy have actually wrongly accused many innocent people of crimes they did not commit. This in my opinion includes the Golden State Killer case where Joseph DeAngelo an innocent man was wrongly accused of the crimes after a process the genetic genealogist Dr Barbara Rae-Venter was involved in:

Genetic genealogy experts said that until now, the law enforcement community has been deliberately cautious about approaching the consumer sites with court orders: If users get spooked and abandon the sites, they will become much less useful to investigators. Barbara Rae Venter, a genetic genealogist who works with law enforcement, described the situation as “Don’t rock the boat.”

‘Game-Changer’ Warrant Let Detective Search Genetic Database

 

[jaejae]

Again I address my posts to civil liberty groups, Public Defenders and concern politicians and citizens. It is my belief this court order is a very dangerous development as LE using genetic genealogy have actually wrongly accused many innocent people of crimes they did not commit. This in my opinion includes the Golden State Killer case where Joseph DeAngelo an innocent man was wrongly accused of the crimes after a process the genetic genealogist Dr Barbara Rae-Venter was involved in:

Genetic genealogy experts said that until now, the law enforcement community has been deliberately cautious about approaching the consumer sites with court orders: If users get spooked and abandon the sites, they will become much less useful to investigators. Barbara Rae Venter, a genetic genealogist who works with law enforcement, described the situation as “Don’t rock the boat.”

‘Game-Changer’ Warrant Let Detective Search Genetic Database

Since then it is my belief many other innocent people have been wrongly accused of crimes through the use of flawed genetic genealogy science. It is also my opinion that that the case of Mr Talbott in Washington State an innocent man was wrongfully convicted even though the FBI was aware of innocence and also they have also been aware of the innocent of Mr Joseph DeAngelo since his arrest in the Golden State Killer case as they have been aware the actual offender in this case was a man called Ralph Leon Jackson since 2010.

 

[jaejae]

Since then it is my belief many other innocent people have been wrongly accused of crimes through the use of flawed genetic genealogy science. It is also my opinion that that the case of Mr Talbott in Washington State an innocent man was wrongfully convicted even though the FBI was aware of innocence and also they have also been aware of the innocent of Mr Joseph DeAngelo since his arrest in the Golden State Killer case as they have been aware the actual offender in this case was a man called Ralph Leon Jackson since 2010.

I am a foreigner but it is my view the US Public are entitled to know the full facts about the use of genetic genealogy by LE and also to be aware of the mistakes they have made and how this has in my opinion impacted on and destroyed the lives of their citizens:

DNA policy experts said they will closely watch public response to news of the warrant, to see if law enforcement agencies will be emboldened to go after the much larger genetic databases. “I have no question in my mind that if the public isn’t outraged by this, they will go to the mother lode: the 15-million person Ancestry database,” said Professor Murphy. “Why play in the peanuts when you can go to the big show?”

‘Game-Changer’ Warrant Let Detective Search Genetic Database

 

[jaejae]

Again I address my posts to civil liberty groups, Public Defenders and concern politicians and citizens. It is my belief this court order is a very dangerous development as LE using genetic genealogy have actually wrongly accused many innocent people of crimes they did not commit. This in my opinion includes the Golden State Killer case where Joseph DeAngelo an innocent man was wrongly accused of the crimes after a process the genetic genealogist Dr Barbara Rae-Venter was involved in:

Genetic genealogy experts said that until now, the law enforcement community has been deliberately cautious about approaching the consumer sites with court orders: If users get spooked and abandon the sites, they will become much less useful to investigators. Barbara Rae Venter, a genetic genealogist who works with law enforcement, described the situation as “Don’t rock the boat.”

‘Game-Changer’ Warrant Let Detective Search Genetic Database

If genealogists like Dr Rae-Venter have made a mistake in one case it raises the possibility that they may have made mistakes in other ones. As I say in my opinion the wrongful conviction of Mr Talbott set a very dangerous precedent as has the incarceration of Mr DeAngelo in the Golden State Killer case and it is the responsibility of the FBI to deal with the situation as is the health of any innocent man wrongly accused of crimes through the use of genetic genealogy other LE simply do not understand.

 

[jaejae]

If genealogists like Dr Rae-Venter have made a mistake in one case it raises the possibility that they may have made mistakes in other ones. As I say in my opinion the wrongful conviction of Mr Talbott set a very dangerous precedent as has the incarceration of Mr DeAngelo in the Golden State Killer case and it is the responsibility of the FBI to deal with the situation as is the health of any innocent man wrongly accused of crimes through the use of genetic genealogy other LE simply do not understand.

The series of double murders in Virginia are collectively termed the Colonial Parkway Murders not the Capital Murders which I believe were in Wisconsin:

Investigation - Capital City      Murders

Trial For Truck Driver Identified By Genetic Genealogy Could Set Precedent In New Method To Fight Crime

 

[jaejae]

I am a foreigner but it is my view the US Public are entitled to know the full facts about the use of genetic genealogy by LE and also to be aware of the mistakes they have made and how this has in my opinion impacted on and destroyed the lives of their citizens:

DNA policy experts said they will closely watch public response to news of the warrant, to see if law enforcement agencies will be emboldened to go after the much larger genetic databases. “I have no question in my mind that if the public isn’t outraged by this, they will go to the mother lode: the 15-million person Ancestry database,” said Professor Murphy. “Why play in the peanuts when you can go to the big show?”

‘Game-Changer’ Warrant Let Detective Search Genetic Database

It is my opinion that the website GEDMATCH has been used in a number of cases where innocent people have wrongly been identified as the offenders in serious crimes and in my view this includes the Golden State Killer case. Therefore I believe these facts should be made known as LE again make an attempt the access the full database there and likely others:

HuffPost is now part of Verizon Media

 

[jaejae]

I am a foreigner but it is my view the US Public are entitled to know the full facts about the use of genetic genealogy by LE and also to be aware of the mistakes they have made and how this has in my opinion impacted on and destroyed the lives of their citizens:

DNA policy experts said they will closely watch public response to news of the warrant, to see if law enforcement agencies will be emboldened to go after the much larger genetic databases. “I have no question in my mind that if the public isn’t outraged by this, they will go to the mother lode: the 15-million person Ancestry database,” said Professor Murphy. “Why play in the peanuts when you can go to the big show?”

‘Game-Changer’ Warrant Let Detective Search Genetic Database

Here appears to be a follow up New York Times article about the use of genetic genealogy to the one already posted above:

How That DNA Test You Took for Fun Could Be Used by Law Enforcement

 

[jaejae]

Here appears to be a follow up New York Times article about the use of genetic genealogy to the one already posted above:

How That DNA Test You Took for Fun Could Be Used by Law Enforcement

There may be other ethical issues but my main problem has always been from the start that in my view the wrong person was identified in the Golden State Killer case that inspired this use of genetic genealogy by LE and the actual offender was a man called Ralph Leon Jackson:

Detective Fields described his methods at the International Association of Chiefs of Police conference in Chicago last week. Logan Koepke, a policy analyst at Upturn, a nonprofit in Washington that studies how technology affects social issues, was in the audience. After the talk, “multiple other detectives and officers approached him asking for a copy of the warrant,” Mr. Koepke said.

How That DNA Test You Took for Fun Could Be Used by Law Enforcement

 

[Mountain Mama]

Anyone know how long RLJ resided in the greater Harrisonburg area? I ask because there is a case from many years ago Kelly Bergh-Dove. She worked at a gas station south of Harrisonburg. One night a man harassed her repeatedly. By the time law enforcement responded she was gone.

Was RLJ living near Hburg in 1982?

Family, HPD hopeful to find Kelly Bergh-Dove 36 years later

 

[jaejae]

Anyone know how long RLJ resided in the greater Harrisonburg area? I ask because there is a case from many years ago Kelly Bergh-Dove. She worked at a gas station south of Harrisonburg. One night a man harassed her repeatedly. By the time law enforcement responded she was gone.

Was RLJ living near Hburg in 1982?

Family, HPD hopeful to find Kelly Bergh-Dove 36 years later

Thanks for the interesting report. The answer from me is I do not know where he lived at any particular time although when he was arrested it stated he was a lifelong resident of Virginia and I think he was always based so to speak in this state and was responsible for many crimes there as it was his home state. What I do know is that wherever he was at a particular time Virginia or beyond he unfortunately left a trail of destruction.

 

[jaejae]

Hopefully there are some people starting to believe me out there and trying to stop more harm coming to innocent people through the use of flawed genetic genealogy science. It is my view that Joseph DeAngelo is innocent and the actual offender in the crimes he is accused was a man called Ralph Leon Jackson who was a Serial Killer who served ten years in the military. Here is another report about the recent court order obtained by LE in Florida to have access to the DNA profiles at the Website GEDMATCH:

GEDmatch came under the spotlight in 2018 after it was revealed that California police used its database to identify the Golden State Killer, who killed a dozen people in the '70s and '80s and was accused of over 50 rapes, through his relatives. It also came to light that cops have been using it to solve other cases, including decades-old cold ones. As a response to the backlash it got, GEDmatch changed its policy so that law enforcement can only use it to look for suspects in "murder, nonnegligent manslaughter, aggravated rape, robbery or aggravated assault" cases.

US court let police search GEDmatch's entire DNA database despite protections

 

[jaejae]

Anyone know how long RLJ resided in the greater Harrisonburg area? I ask because there is a case from many years ago Kelly Bergh-Dove. She worked at a gas station south of Harrisonburg. One night a man harassed her repeatedly. By the time law enforcement responded she was gone.

Was RLJ living near Hburg in 1982?

Family, HPD hopeful to find Kelly Bergh-Dove 36 years later

Thanks again for the post. What I would say is do not be mislead by the fact Jackson himself said he lived within seeing distance of his last crime on the Blue Ridge Parkway in 2010. He served ten years in the military for a start:

'Family man': Parkway shooting suspect's family, boss express shock

 

[jaejae]

I feel it is important I make these points against the genetic genealogy juggernaut and it is important for any civil liberty groups, lawyers and concerned others. It is my belief that the conviction of Mr Talbott in Washington State was a wrongful one as the genetic genealogy science presented as fact was flawed. This was not challenged by the defence when in my opinion there was no legitimate DNA hit in this case. The organisation aware of this fact was the FBI:

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[jaejae]

I feel it is important I make these points against the genetic genealogy juggernaut and it is important for any civil liberty groups, lawyers and concerned others. It is my belief that the conviction of Mr Talbott in Washington State was a wrongful one as the genetic genealogy science presented as fact was flawed. This was no challenged by the defence when in my opinion there was no legitimate DNA hit in this case. The organisation aware of this fact was the FBI:

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I am in favour of criminals being caught and LE protecting people including myself but call me old fashioned I like it to be the right offender and I have serious concerns about whether this is the case in many cases where genetic genealogy has been used.