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  • #521
I think this a report from around the time of the arrest in the Golden State Killer case but it has recently been posted at You Tube and it is interesting as it discusses investigative genetic genealogy:

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  • #522
Here are interesting details about how LE in Colorado used ancestry websites and investigative genetic genealogy to identify a suspect in a murder case. I say again I am as sorry for the victims as anyone including CeCe Moore and do not know who the offender is in this case but ask that it be checked in the light of the fact I believe that investigative genetic genealogy has lead to LE wrongly accusing people of crimes they did not commit including in the Golden State Killer case where I believe the actual offender was a man called Ralph Leon Jackson and hence an innocent man has been unjustly incarcerated for his crimes for over eighteen months:

After a renewed effort to solve the case started in 2017, investigators turned to forensic genealogy to try to find relatives who had uploaded their DNA profiles to online public databases like Ancestry.com and GEDmatch.com, to trace their way back to a possible suspect.

According to the affidavit, investigators uploaded the suspect’s DNA information to GEDmatch.com which led to the identification of several potential distant relatives. Two of the top matches later authorized investigators to access their family trees on Ancestry.com.

DNA Websites Break Open A 40-Year-Old Colorado Cold Case
I think this a report from around the time of the arrest in the Golden State Killer case but it has recently been posted at You Tube and it is interesting:

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Here is another report about how LE accessed GEDmatch and Ancestry Com in identifying a suspect in a Colorado murder case this time from Fox News. I did not mean to quote my post before with Anne-Marie Schubert video just my other post about the access to the ancestry sites in the Colorado case but that is the way it worked for some reason:

Ancestry site leads to arrest of alleged Tampa Bay serial rapist 21 years later
 
  • #523
In my opinion ParaBon Labs and their Chief Scientist CeCe Moore have got many of the cases they have been involved in wrong because the 'science' behind their investigative genetic genealogy is flawed and they do not understand the flaws in it. This again in my opinion lead to many innocent people being wrongly accused of crimes they did not commit including in the case of Mr Talbott in Washington State where an erroneous and flawed supposed DNA hit was allowed to be presented as scientific fact and this again in my view lead to a wrongful conviction in this case and therefore their 'science' has not been proved in a court of law in my opinion. Therefore I believe all of the cases they have worked on will need to be checked in light of what I have just stated. Of course in Florida a LE Officer got a court order to access all of the peoples DNA at the website GEDMATCH even if they had decided to OPT OUT of LE use:

Linda Slaten Murder - Son: 'I trusted this man'
 
  • #524
Here is an article from the Denver Post about investigative genetic genealogy and of course it has just recently been used in a case there and was also used in a couple of other cases in the state including the Colorado Hemmer Murders where the clue in the case was the surname Ewing and genealogists were able to trace a potential suspect with this very surname:

DNA a growing tool for Colorado detectives looking to solve cold cases
 
  • #525
In my opinion ParaBon Labs and their Chief Scientist CeCe Moore have got many of the cases they have been involved in wrong because the 'science' behind their investigative genetic genealogy is flawed and they do not understand the flaws in it. This again in my opinion lead to many innocent people being wrongly accused of crimes they did not commit including in the case of Mr Talbott in Washington State where an erroneous and flawed supposed DNA hit was allowed to be presented as scientific fact and this again in my view lead to a wrongful conviction in this case and therefore their 'science' has not been proved in a court of law in my opinion. Therefore I believe all of the cases they have worked on will need to be checked in light of what I have just stated. Of course in Florida a LE Officer got a court order to access all of the peoples DNA at the website GEDMATCH even if they had decided to OPT OUT of LE use:

Linda Slaten Murder - Son: 'I trusted this man'

Here is another case where ParaBon Labs have been involved with the use of investigative genetic genealogy. Given my view they have made many mistakes with their use of investigative genetic genealogy including in the case of Mr Talbott in Washington State where there was a wrongful conviction all of these horrible cases where the victims and victims relatives deserve justice will need to be checked in my opinion just to ensure they have not made any more mistakes:

Then last fall, armed with the crime scene DNA data, a team of four genetic genealogists working with Parabon Nanolabs took on the case. It took about a weekend of digging for them to come up with the name of a suspect: Zachary Bunney.

On Thursday, La Mesa police announced they had arrested 39-year-old Bunney in the death of 47-year-old Martinez. They did not discuss a motive and declined to go into details about the investigation. Bunney has not yet been arraigned in El Cajon Superior Court.

Police: Genetic genealogy leads to arrest in 2006 fatal sword stabbing
 
  • #526
Here is a video recently posted on You Tube from a while back where Anne-Marie Schubert states she believes very strongly that investigative genetic genealogy is the greatest tool given to Law Enforcement. I say again I believe it is actually a flawed 'science' and has actually been used to misidentify innocent men as being the offender in serious crime cases including the Golden State Killer case where I believe the actual offender was a man called Ralph Leon Jackson. I also believe he was the offender in the NorCal Rapist case and that it is highly likely that Sacramento LE have actually misidentified three innocent people through the use of flawed investigative genealogy they do not understand the flaws in. So again I ask concerned people and organizations to look into for me and also into the fact that many of the mugshots used by the Institute for DNA Justice to encourage innocent people to OPT IN to databases for LE to use are actually innocent people wrongly accused of crimes and of course this raises the prospect in my opinion of the Institute for DNA Justice being involved in encouraging other misidentifications and mistakes through scientifically flawed investigative genealogy:

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Here is a report about a case where investigative genetic genealogy and the website GEDMATCH were used to identify a possible offender:

CEDAR RAPIDS — A Manchester man wants a judge to toss out the key DNA evidence that authorities say links him to a 40-year-old murder — the fatal stabbing of 18-year-old Michelle Martinko in 1979.

Leon Spies, defense attorney for Jerry Burns, 65, charged with first-degree murder, in a motion filed this week said authorities didn’t have a warrant when they allowed a private company called Parabon-NanoLabs, in Reston, VA., to upload a DNA profile that was developed from blood stains on Martinko’s dress and the gearshift of her car to the public genealogy database GEDmatch.

The results from that comparison led to Brandy Jennings of Vancouver, Wash., who “was hypothesized to be relative of suspect,” Spies wrote in the motion. Investigators then focused on a branch of the family tree including relatives of the man they eventually arrested — Burns.

Jerry Burns wants court to toss DNA evidence linking him to Michelle Martinko killing
 
  • #529
Here is a report about a case where investigative genetic genealogy and the website GEDMATCH were used to identify a possible offender:

CEDAR RAPIDS — A Manchester man wants a judge to toss out the key DNA evidence that authorities say links him to a 40-year-old murder — the fatal stabbing of 18-year-old Michelle Martinko in 1979.

Leon Spies, defense attorney for Jerry Burns, 65, charged with first-degree murder, in a motion filed this week said authorities didn’t have a warrant when they allowed a private company called Parabon-NanoLabs, in Reston, VA., to upload a DNA profile that was developed from blood stains on Martinko’s dress and the gearshift of her car to the public genealogy database GEDmatch.

The results from that comparison led to Brandy Jennings of Vancouver, Wash., who “was hypothesized to be relative of suspect,” Spies wrote in the motion. Investigators then focused on a branch of the family tree including relatives of the man they eventually arrested — Burns.

Jerry Burns wants court to toss DNA evidence linking him to Michelle Martinko killing

If this mans Public Defenders or any others read this thread this information is for them. As I have said I believe investigative genealogy is a flawed 'science' and DNA hits are being presented as fact when in reality in my in opinion they do not exist in many cases. I like to call them phoney DNA hits. Therefore I believe Joseph DeAngelo in the Golden State Killer case is an innocent man and the actual offender was a man called Ralph Leon Jackson who served ten years in the military and was likely stationed at somewhere like Mather Airforce base where he visited the Officers Club. In my opinion there was also no legitimate DNA hit in the case of Mr Talbott in Washington State where the supposed DNA hit through the use of investigative genetic genealogy was not challenged. As I say in my opinion there was no legitimate scientifically sound DNA hit in this case and the result of the court case was a wrongful conviction.
 
  • #530
Of course LE have recently accessed profiles at Ancestry Com to identify a possible suspect in a murder case. Here is another report about DNA Kits with reference to the Golden State Killer case:

After a renewed effort to solve the case started in 2017, investigators turned to forensic genealogy to try to find relatives who had uploaded their DNA profiles to online public databases like Ancestry.com and GEDmatch.com, to trace their way back to a possible suspect.

According to the affidavit, investigators uploaded the suspect’s DNA information to GEDmatch.com which led to the identification of several potential distant relatives. Two of the top matches later authorized investigators to access their family trees on Ancestry.com.

DNA Websites Break Open A 40-Year-Old Colorado Cold Case


DNA Tests Are Fun Gifts, But Be Aware of Accuracy and Privacy Concerns

Part of the above report:

Before you spit in a tube, stop and think
These tests are exciting: they introduce new audiences to genetics and get people thinking about their health. They’re also helping to build vast genetic databases from which medical research will be conducted.

But for individual users, there are important caveats to consider. Recent reports have questioned the accuracy of these tests: identical twins can receive different results. Furthermore, a lack of diversity in the reference data has caused particular concern regarding accuracy of results for ethnic minorities.

There are also concerns about the way these tests emphasize racial categories that science considers to be social constructs and biologically meaningless.
 
  • #531
Here is another case where ParaBon Labs have been involved with the use of investigative genetic genealogy. Given my view they have made many mistakes with their use of investigative genetic genealogy including in the case of Mr Talbott in Washington State where there was a wrongful conviction all of these horrible cases where the victims and victims relatives deserve justice will need to be checked in my opinion just to ensure they have not made any more mistakes:

Then last fall, armed with the crime scene DNA data, a team of four genetic genealogists working with Parabon Nanolabs took on the case. It took about a weekend of digging for them to come up with the name of a suspect: Zachary Bunney.

On Thursday, La Mesa police announced they had arrested 39-year-old Bunney in the death of 47-year-old Martinez. They did not discuss a motive and declined to go into details about the investigation. Bunney has not yet been arraigned in El Cajon Superior Court.

Police: Genetic genealogy leads to arrest in 2006 fatal sword stabbing

The man plead guilty in the sword attack so one would think he is the right offender. I believe in other cases there have been misidentifications and in the case of Mr Talbott in Washington State when he did plead not guilty in my opinion he was wrongly convicted because the supposed DNA hit was not challenged and evidence about other misidentifications such as in the Golden State Killer case where in my opinion the actual offender was Ralph Leon Jackson were not made available to his defence team. In light of what of what I consider to be the misidentifications in the Golden State Killer case I would like all subsequent cases inspired by the use of investigative genealogy to be checked. This includes cases were people have plead guilty such as the April Tinsley case and this is because in the Golden State Killer case LE have presented erroneous and in reality non existent DNA hits as irrefutable fact and this includes in my opinion presenting sexual contact DNA hits as facts in cases like the case of Mr Talbott when in reality because of flawed science they do not actually exist:

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...n-sentenced-for-2006-california-sword-slaying
 
  • #532
Here is another report about where investigative genetic genealogy was used to identify a deceased individual as the possible offender in a double murder case:

In 2018, Fremont Police Dept. Detective Jacob Blass looked at the case again and said new DNA technology, including the process that identified the Golden State Killer, could be used.

DNA testing at labs in San Leandro and Richmond narrowed a suspect to Hudspeth, who was dead, ABC 7 reported. Hudspeth lived near the victims at the time of the killings and could have been involved in other unsolved crimes.

Sources confirmed to authorities that Hudspeth was on the street where Atup and Malatag were last seen. His house was four minutes from where Atup’s body was discovered.

“We are a family that has been grieving for almost 37 years,” the family said in a statement on Twitter, CBS San Francisco reported. “We are attempting to put our lives back together as we re-mourn the loss of our beloved Jeffrey Atup and Mary Jane Malatag…Our family over the years had lost hope in believing that we would ever have justice in knowing, who did this and as to what had happened to them.”


Read more here: https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/nation-world/national/article238480668.html#storylink=cpy

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/nation-world/national/article238480668.html

Here is report from the Filipino Times about the above case where a possible suspect was identified through investigative genetic genealogy:

After 37 years, double homicide case of two Fil-Ams finally solved - The Filipino Times
 
  • #533
It is my opinion that genealogists like CeCe Moore have been accusing many innocent people of crimes they did not commit through flawed investigative genealogy science they do not understand and again in my opinion this includes the case of Mr Talbott in Washington was a wrongful conviction because the flawed science was not challenged. Again I am very sorry the victims of crimes and for their relatives who have suffered as a result and care about them almost as much as CeCe Moore does. I would like all of the cases she has worked on investigated independently including the case of Angie Dodge which has a history of investigative genetic genealogy mistakes. Here is an interesting report about investigative genetic genealogy:

In Late October 2019, Detective Michael Fields of the Orlando, Florida Police Department obtained the apparently first-ever warrant to be able to search a commercial database containing sequenced DNA and genealogical genetic ancestry information in an effort to track and identify a serial rapist who assaulted a number of women decades ago. After Judge Patricia Strowbridge granted the detective his warrant, which allowed him to override the privacy settings of 1.2 million users on GEDmatch and search through all their information, there became an immediate interest in this case as it has the potential to set a precedent for similar requests in the future. Law enforcement agencies, as well as members of the public and communities who have been impacted by violent crimes, are excited at the prospect of being able to search through genetic genealogy databases (this is how the Golden State serial killer was identified in 2018), while many data privacy advocates are expressing wariness and urging caution about the ethical waters we are beginning to wade into. See, for example, this recent PBS story highlighting the ethical questions that will begin to appear more frequently, including how the use of genetic genealogy for law enforcement purposes can disrupt someone’s life whether the lead itself is true or false: “A father took an at-home DNA test. His son was then falsely accused of murder.”

Developing Story: Forensic Genomics, Surveillance, and Ethics – Science & Justice Research Center
 
  • #534
It is my opinion that genealogists like CeCe Moore have been accusing many innocent people of crimes they did not commit through flawed investigative genealogy science they do not understand and again in my opinion this includes the case of Mr Talbott in Washington was a wrongful conviction because the flawed science was not challenged. Again I am very sorry the victims of crimes and for their relatives who have suffered as a result and care about them almost as much as CeCe Moore does. I would like all of the cases she has worked on investigated independently including the case of Angie Dodge which has a history of investigative genetic genealogy mistakes. Here is an interesting report about investigative genetic genealogy:

In Late October 2019, Detective Michael Fields of the Orlando, Florida Police Department obtained the apparently first-ever warrant to be able to search a commercial database containing sequenced DNA and genealogical genetic ancestry information in an effort to track and identify a serial rapist who assaulted a number of women decades ago. After Judge Patricia Strowbridge granted the detective his warrant, which allowed him to override the privacy settings of 1.2 million users on GEDmatch and search through all their information, there became an immediate interest in this case as it has the potential to set a precedent for similar requests in the future. Law enforcement agencies, as well as members of the public and communities who have been impacted by violent crimes, are excited at the prospect of being able to search through genetic genealogy databases (this is how the Golden State serial killer was identified in 2018), while many data privacy advocates are expressing wariness and urging caution about the ethical waters we are beginning to wade into. See, for example, this recent PBS story highlighting the ethical questions that will begin to appear more frequently, including how the use of genetic genealogy for law enforcement purposes can disrupt someone’s life whether the lead itself is true or false: “A father took an at-home DNA test. His son was then falsely accused of murder.”

Developing Story: Forensic Genomics, Surveillance, and Ethics – Science & Justice Research Center

I state again in my opinion the Golden State Killer was not correctly identified through the use of investigative genetic genealogy and the long suffering Mr DeAngelo is in my opinion an innocent man and the actual offender was a man called Ralph Leon Jackson.
 
  • #535
It is my opinion that genealogists like CeCe Moore have been accusing many innocent people of crimes they did not commit through flawed investigative genealogy science they do not understand and again in my opinion this includes the case of Mr Talbott in Washington was a wrongful conviction because the flawed science was not challenged. Again I am very sorry the victims of crimes and for their relatives who have suffered as a result and care about them almost as much as CeCe Moore does. I would like all of the cases she has worked on investigated independently including the case of Angie Dodge which has a history of investigative genetic genealogy mistakes. Here is an interesting report about investigative genetic genealogy:

In Late October 2019, Detective Michael Fields of the Orlando, Florida Police Department obtained the apparently first-ever warrant to be able to search a commercial database containing sequenced DNA and genealogical genetic ancestry information in an effort to track and identify a serial rapist who assaulted a number of women decades ago. After Judge Patricia Strowbridge granted the detective his warrant, which allowed him to override the privacy settings of 1.2 million users on GEDmatch and search through all their information, there became an immediate interest in this case as it has the potential to set a precedent for similar requests in the future. Law enforcement agencies, as well as members of the public and communities who have been impacted by violent crimes, are excited at the prospect of being able to search through genetic genealogy databases (this is how the Golden State serial killer was identified in 2018), while many data privacy advocates are expressing wariness and urging caution about the ethical waters we are beginning to wade into. See, for example, this recent PBS story highlighting the ethical questions that will begin to appear more frequently, including how the use of genetic genealogy for law enforcement purposes can disrupt someone’s life whether the lead itself is true or false: “A father took an at-home DNA test. His son was then falsely accused of murder.”

Developing Story: Forensic Genomics, Surveillance, and Ethics – Science & Justice Research Center

As I have said it is my believe that CeCe Moore has made many mistakes in the cases she has been involved with using investigative genetic genealogy and therefore I would like to see all of her cases checked. I also believe Barbara Rae-Venter has made many mistakes in the cases she has been involved in including wrongly identifying Joseph DeAngelo as the offender in the Golden State Killer case when the actual offender in the Golden State Killer case was a man called Ralph Leon Jackson. Therefore I would like to see all of the cases she has worked checked independently to see if she has made any more mistakes. Here is an interview with Dr Barbara Rae-Venter:

Barbara Rae-Venter is a New Zealand born genetic genealogist, whose work using DNA and genealogy research is helping crack cold cases across America.

Barbara started out researching her own family tree and is now the go to expert for law enforcement agencies. Her work lead to the arrest of a suspect in the Golden State Killer case, a case that was 23 years old.

This year Time magazine named her one of the most influential people of 2019 with one investigator saying Barbara’s methods have given law enforcement “its most revolutionary tool since the advent of forensic DNA testing in the 1980s”.

To tell me more about her work, Barbara Rae-Venter joins me now from California.

NZ born genetic genealogist cracking cold cases across America
 
  • #536
It is up to the US Public to decide what to do but I think in a civilised society there is no justification for innocent people to suffer for another persons crimes and how can you make a public safety argument if your actions are actually causing harm to innocent people. It is my view that the genealogists like Barbara Rae-Venter who have been used to by LE to use investigative genetic genealogy which is scientifically flawed have caused a great deal of harm to innocent people and their innocent families. Here is an article about DNA testing kits from the New York Times:

What You’re Unwrapping When You Get a DNA Test for Christmas

Here is another report on the same theme. These are my opinions based on research and much more research on the EAR/ONS case than Barbara Rae-Venter has ever done and this is that the actual Golden State Killer was a man called Ralph Leon Jackson. So just be careful because it could be you. your relative or another innocent person put in prison over the festive period by scientifically flawed investigative genetic genealogy for crimes you or they did not commit:

The company GEDmatch, the DNA database that facilitated an arrest in the Golden State Killer case and in dozens of other cases since, emerged from a desire to connect people to their relatives. For the past decade, the site’s co-founder Curtis Rogers has been running the company out of a small yellow house in Lake Worth, Fla.


When Mr. Rogers first learned that the DNA of GEDmatch users had played a critical role in identifying a suspected serial killer, he was upset. “I didn’t think this was an appropriate use of our site,” he said in an interview in May 2018, five weeks after the arrest of Joseph James DeAngelo. This month, Mr. Rogers sold GEDmatch to Verogen, a commercial forensic company best known for providing police and F.BI. labs with tools for making predictions about suspected criminals’ ancestry, eye color and hair color.

What You’re Unwrapping When You Get a DNA Test for Christmas
 
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  • #538
Here is a report about top scientific stories in 2019. Again in my opinion the conviction of Mr Talbott in Washington State was a wrongful one after the scientific validity of what I believe was a scientifically invalid DNA hit was not challenged in the court and this in my opinion has set a dangerous precedent giving investigative genetic genealogy a scientific legitimacy it did not deserve in this case and of course a number of other people have been identified as possible suspects in serious crime cases through the use of investigative genetic genealogy after the Washington State trial:

Over the last decade, millions of people spat into DNA test kits and contributed their deepest genetic secrets to huge, searchable databases of family trees. That turned out to be awfully handy for police, who are increasingly using the same algorithms that can locate biological parents and long-lost cousins to solve crimes. Following a landmark break in the cold case of the Golden State Killer in 2018, police have since used family tree forensics to identify suspects in dozens more cases. This year, the technique passed its first legal test and secured both its first conviction and its first exoneration.

WIREDs 7 Big Science Stories That Shaped 2019

Here is another report about DNA testing kits that mentions the Golden State Killer case;

Who has access to my DNA profile?
Privacy advocates have flagged concerns around law enforcement’s use of DNA.

DNA forensics have helped solve decades-old cold cases and led to the arrest of the alleged “Golden State Killer” in California.

However, Ancestry, which has sold more than 15 million DNA kits, insists on a search warrant or court order if investigators request DNA data on a customer, said chief privacy officer Eric Heath.

Even then the company may challenge the order. Were that to happen, Heath says, it will notify the customer in question, unless ordered otherwise by the courts.

The reality is that such requests are rare.

Considering taking DNA test this holiday season? Here's what you need to know
 
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  • #539
Of course with investigative genetic genealogy DA's and other LE have been advocating people become 'genetic witnesses' by uploading their DNA and allowing LE access to it to use investigative genetic genealogy to identify possible suspects in serious crime cases. Here is another report about consumer DNA testing kits in relation to investigative genealogy:

Kits turn consumers into DNA detectives
 
  • #540
Here is another report about DNA genetics and the Golden State Killer gets a mention:

Like many decisions we make every day, the question is, “Just because we can do this, should we?” There are complex ethical and privacy issues to consider, which are beyond the scope of this column. It is fascinating to read about the case of the Golden State Killer, who was arrested decades after his crimes utilizing a commercial DNA database that contained the genetic profile of some of his relatives. But I digress.

Thousands of people will receive a DNA test kit for Christmas. Our personal genetic profile can present, or solve, intriguing mysteries about our human ancestry, but can also provide information about our propensity to suffer from a medical condition or disease such as cancer. Setting aside the complex ethical and privacy issues involved, should you do it?

Cancer: The stories our genes tell – The Ukiah Daily Journal

Another report;

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