VA - Scott Fricker, 48, & Buckley Kuhn-Fricker, 43, slain, Reston, 22 Dec 2017 *daughter’s bf charged*

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Unfortunately, I don't think there is any "better, less confrontational way" the mother could have approached this situation and not gotten a violent reaction from the boy. Even if the daughter had, of her own accord, broken up with the boy, this could easily have happened. We've seen it a million times in the news. If a kid is willing to kill himself, he'll have no problem killing an "enemy."

The only surefire, safe thing to do would have been to pack up the whole family and go into hiding in the dead of night, leaving everything behind-- an option that seems too extreme and personally/professionally/financially devastating for most people to contemplate or actually do--I couldn't do it. It seems silly and cowardly and unnecessary--until something like this happens. Once the girl entered into this relationship, it was all over for this family--a terrifying thought. I think this is why people question what victims could have done differently. We don't want to think that our own lives could spiral completely out of control through no fault of our own. But they can. I've seen it happen in my own family.
 
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They might not have known if he was terminal when charges were filed. I think that’s just a preliminary thing. If he recovers, it would go further. But don’t quote me!

I just know having worked in the ICU LE doesn't usually file charges if the patient is terminal or if they are in severe incapacitated condition - once the patient is in police custody the sheriff's office then becomes responsible for the medical bills and they have to "sit" on the patient 24/7 - have 24/7 LE presence at bedside. Costs money. I can think of two reasons they may have filed - either so they could have LE presence at bedside to protect staff , prevent anyone who may want to come close to the kid or they know he is going to survive and LE plans to take him into custody eventually. I have had a couple of cases where patients were shot in the head and survived.



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I just know having worked in the ICU LE doesn't usually file charges if the patient is terminal or if they are in severe incapacitated condition - once the patient is in police custody the sheriff's office then becomes responsible for the medical bills and they have to "sit" on the patient 24/7 - have 24/7 LE presence at bedside. Costs money. I can think of two reasons they may have filed - either so they could have LE presence at bedside to protect staff , prevent anyone who may want to come close to the kid or they know he is going to survive and LE plans to take him into custody eventually. I have had a couple of cases where patients were shot in the head and survived.



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They did say he is being watched by LE
 
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Unfortunately, I don't think there is any "better, less confrontational way" the mother could have approached this situation and not gotten a violent reaction from the boy. Even if the daughter had, of her own accord, broken up with the boy, this could easily have happened. We've seen it a million times in the news. If a kid is willing to kill himself, he'll have no problem killing an "enemy."

The only surefire, safe thing to do would have been to pack up the whole family and go into hiding in the dead of night, leaving everything behind-- an option that seems too extreme and personally/professionally/financially devastating for most people to contemplate or actually do--I couldn't do it. It seems silly and cowardly and unnecessary--until something like this happens. Once the girl entered into this relationship, it was all over for this family--a terrifying thought. I think this is why people question what victims could have done differently. We don't want to think that our own lives could spiral completely out of control through no fault of our own. But they can. I've seen it happen in my own family.

Yes, I agree. We do want to think there is something we can do. But so often it’s hard to know one way or another until it’s all over. I’ve faced a volatile man with a gun. In the moment I chose calm and peace in hopes it would make him think twice before killing me. Thankfully it worked, but it could easily have gone the other way. One never knows. And you’re absolutely right...in retrospect...that it was all over when this began last June. Sometimes people enter our lives and wreak havoc and there’s nothing we can do...partly because we don’t know or believe how bad it is until it’s too late.

I always recommend Gavin de Becker’s excellent book “The Gift of Fear.” He’s made a career out of protecting people from stalkers and such. My biggest takeaway is to trust my instincts, and also that restraining orders don’t work and often escalate the situation. But again, nothing is guaranteed when someone wants to be violent. We’d just like to think so.
 
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Yes, The Gift of Fear is an amazing book. It makes one think, and it says that if you feel that something is wrong or dangerous, it probably is. Trust your gut. Lock your doors. Be alert. If it weren't for fear, neither man nor beast would be here today. Fear is a type of gift, an instinct for survival. Trust it. Be safe, not sorry.
 
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I just know having worked in the ICU LE doesn't usually file charges if the patient is terminal or if they are in severe incapacitated condition - once the patient is in police custody the sheriff's office then becomes responsible for the medical bills and they have to "sit" on the patient 24/7 - have 24/7 LE presence at bedside. Costs money. I can think of two reasons they may have filed - either so they could have LE presence at bedside to protect staff , prevent anyone who may want to come close to the kid or they know he is going to survive and LE plans to take him into custody eventually. I have had a couple of cases where patients were shot in the head and survived.



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They may want to be there just in case he wakes up enough to speak, too. No matter the hour, to glean any info they can from him. Charging him would get an officer in there just in case, wouldn't it?
 
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They may want to be there just in case he wakes up enough to speak, too. No matter the hour, to glean any info they can from him. Charging him would get an officer in there just in case, wouldn't it?

No. That would not be admissible. Just waking from a coma and police questioning him? I would hope not.
 
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I just know having worked in the ICU LE doesn't usually file charges if the patient is terminal or if they are in severe incapacitated condition - once the patient is in police custody the sheriff's office then becomes responsible for the medical bills and they have to "sit" on the patient 24/7 - have 24/7 LE presence at bedside. Costs money. I can think of two reasons they may have filed - either so they could have LE presence at bedside to protect staff , prevent anyone who may want to come close to the kid or they know he is going to survive and LE plans to take him into custody eventually. I have had a couple of cases where patients were shot in the head and survived.



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But filing charges isn't the same as taking custody of him, is it? Wouldn't he need to be formally arrested, read Miranda rights, etc? Google is not my friend this morning.

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But filing charges isn't the same as taking custody of him, is it? Wouldn't he need to be formally arrested, read Miranda rights, etc? Google is not my friend this morning.

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I just know once LE starts "sitting" on him he's in their custody and the sheriff's office foots the hospital bill. It's not something they do if the patient is terminal and if his situation changed into terminal they would drop charges and walk away. Also family not allowed to visit the patient it's similar to being in jail but visitation is even more restricted. But I'm not in VA so things could be different?


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Is there a WS thread yet for this new case?
Not the last time I looked, and I tend to muck up the titles when I start one so am leaving it to someone else.

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I just know once LE starts "sitting" on him he's in their custody and the sheriff's office foots the hospital bill. It's not something they do if the patient is terminal and if his situation changed into terminal they would drop charges and walk away. Also family not allowed to visit the patient it's similar to being in jail but visitation is even more restricted. But I'm not in VA so things could be different?


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Not the same state, but, if he's as bad off as some think, this might possibly be the reason:

The charges were filed last week against Robert Berue, 50, in an effort to preserve the rights of the driver of the second car to file a civil suit, Falls police Lt. Hank Ward said.

http://www.buckscountycouriertimes.com/2d10a722-50b0-5d8c-8b56-0ebd5c095fbb.html
 
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Is there a WS thread yet for this new case?

I just started one. Of course, messed up the title, forgot to include the date. :gaah: :shame:
 
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I just know having worked in the ICU LE doesn't usually file charges if the patient is terminal or if they are in severe incapacitated condition - once the patient is in police custody the sheriff's office then becomes responsible for the medical bills and they have to "sit" on the patient 24/7 - have 24/7 LE presence at bedside. Costs money. I can think of two reasons they may have filed - either so they could have LE presence at bedside to protect staff , prevent anyone who may want to come close to the kid or they know he is going to survive and LE plans to take him into custody eventually. I have had a couple of cases where patients were shot in the head and survived.



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Thanks! This is very helpful information for this case and others. Very sad, but helps explain some things.
 
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I just started one. Of course, messed up the title, forgot to include the date. :gaah: :shame:

I have started exactly one, since I came onboard. It got merged with another so I am sure mine was screwed up too. :blushing:
 
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Interesting that the autistic 16 year old in NJ who killed his family last night is being charged as an adult while this 17 year old is not.

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