VA - Virginia Tech Shooting, 32 murdered, 23 injured, 16 April 2007

[Autumn2004]

Not sure if this has been posted since I havent read through here due to dial up and lack of time but its a little insight into his reasons behind this. Being ridiculed will kill a person's self esteem. Its still no excuse for what he did though.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070419/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting

 

[nanandjim]

Not sure if this has been posted since I havent read through here due to dial up and lack of time but its a little insight into his reasons behind this. Being ridiculed will kill a person's self esteem. Its still no excuse for what he did though.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070419/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting

Thanks for posting. I didn't read the entire article, however, I read the part where he was forced to read aloud in English class and then was ridiculed.

Heck, I always hated to read aloud; and I am American. I wish that teachers would not force this torture on students. I also hated the picking of teams in gym class. Popularity always ruled the day.

Teachers need to become more sensitive to students' feelings. It's hard enough growing up without being ridiculed for being different or whatever.

 

[Marthatex]

According to the articles I've read, the doctor checked the box for "danger to self" but not for "danger to others":

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3052278&page=1&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

On the form, a box is checked, showing that Cho "presents an imminent danger to himself as a result of mental illness."

Immediately below it was another box that is not checked: "Presents an imminent danger to others as a result of mental illness."

Perhaps from past experience, psychiatrists should reconsider - if a man is posing a danger to himself - he also might be a high risk for injuring others.

 

[angelwngs]

Thanks for posting. I didn't read the entire article, however, I read the part where he was forced to read aloud in English class and then was ridiculed.

Heck, I always hated to read aloud; and I am American. I wish that teachers would not force this torture on students. I also hated the picking of teams in gym class. Popularity always ruled the day.

Teachers need to become more sensitive to students' feelings. It's hard enough growing up without being ridiculed for being different or whatever.

Totally understand!

What I would like to know, is how Cho got as far as he did in his college progression without taking a class in "Speech 101"...

I assume it is still a requirement for graduation for every major.

Can you imagine Cho's outrage when being 'forced' to stand up in front of a class and conduct various "Verbal/Oral Presentations" which would constitute the criteria for his grade received in the class????

 

[Marthatex]

This is almost to hard for me to read; I don't think I can deal with all the "what did the parents do..", what did the teachers do, the classmates laughed, etc.

Show me anyone who had a "wonderful" childhood, all "great and wonderful" school experiences. Why do some kids "survive" just fine, others not. I would say it's usually the support of a loving family and network of friends.

Taking a break - but it looks to me like he may have had a severe speech impediment and his parents didn't get him help. (maybe pride?)

Surely the schools would have referred him to speech therapy - I wonder if they refused it?

 

[Autumn2004]

Also added I dont blame cho's parents at all for not coming out about it. For one they will be ridiculed and their parenting skills will be questioned even though their first daughter is not like this and has not done anything like this. He was an adult legally they couldnt hold him. He could have received student loans and his parent's would not have had a choice or a say in the matter.

He needed an education to further his career if this would have not happened, I dont know any parents who arent concerned with their children's future career. Many functional people have mental illness and are functional due to therapy or medicine. It should be illegal to make them not able to attend school because they might have bipolar, schizophrenia, or depression. Granted it was horrible and they definintely didnt deserve to die but legally it could not be done since no one was sure he was going to hurt anyone else, many only hurt themselves. The only one I see at fault killed himself and saved the taxpayer's the money for a trial and conviction. I couldnt even come online, I was so saddened by it all. I have epilepsy, in the past I would have been hospitalized in a mental institution and sterilized.

What i think should be taught from this episode and many other school shootings is bully's punished. Parents willing to go to whatever length they can to help their children. My sister was taunted at school, my parents saw it and they homeschooled her. To this day she said if she was not homeschooled she would have been another suicide victim. Today you wouldnt know that since she does not have suicidal thoughts. She was young, impressionable, hormonal, sensitive, and had celiac disease untreated which led to depression tendencies also. Honestly with today there are so many negative people in this world, your not sure who you are and what you want to become and how you fit in its not surprising to me this happens quite frequently anymore. "I" personally had said during daily tormenting about me being anorexic when I was skinny from celiac disease that I wish they could just all go away, I never carried it out but man if looks could kill they would have died a long time ago.

 

[kelly london]

i saw a kid who went thru high school and then onto college with Cho. he said he had never heard him utter a word throughout the entire high school years - so very strange

 

[Autumn2004]

Thanks for posting. I didn't read the entire article, however, I read the part where he was forced to read aloud in English class and then was ridiculed.

Heck, I always hated to read aloud; and I am American. I wish that teachers would not force this torture on students. I also hated the picking of teams in gym class. Popularity always ruled the day.

Teachers need to become more sensitive to students' feelings. It's hard enough growing up without being ridiculed for being different or whatever.

I know what you mean, I was the skinny one, not athletic at all, shy and quiet and missed alot of school to being sick. I was never picked until the end. I always hated group projects too, I wish they would have let you do your work on your own when in group's no one wants you and you get stuck with a group who doesnt want your input.

 

[angelwngs]

This is almost to hard for me to read; I don't think I can deal with all the "what did the parents do..", what did the teachers do, the classmates laughed, etc.

Show me anyone who had a "wonderful" childhood, all "great and wonderful" school experiences. Why do some kids "survive" just fine, others not. I would say it's usually the support of a loving family and network of friends.

Taking a break - but it looks to me like he may have had a severe speech impediment and his parents didn't get him help. (maybe pride?)

Surely the schools would have referred him to speech therapy - I wonder if they refused it?

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Cho was a 'minority' student in a public school system.

"Certain GROUPS" have done more harm to the children that they 'say' they are trying to protect than they have done good.

I had the most precious little 5 yr old black boy in my classroom. He happened to have a terrible speech impediment due to a tiny hole in the top of the roof of his mouth. I referred him for speech testing. My assistant principal came to my classroom door and told me she would not send this referral through due to "the NAACP being so vocal in their cause to prevent WHITE teachers from identifying Black children as having speech problems when it was in fact a 'cultural issue' in the difference in the way whites speak and blacks..."

I PROMISE YOU I AM NOT MAKING THIS CRAP UP!

I knew the child's mother well, as this little guy played on the T-Ball team my son played on and my husband coached. I knew that if he was 'formally and legally identified by the system', his partial 'cleft pallet' would be surgically repaired and paid for by government funding, due to the parent's income level.

I went over the head of my . principal to my principal. My principal agreed with me and processed my referral. The child had surgery. His problem was corrected. All was well, except the . principal didn't care too much for me after that! Oh WELL! It was a small 'personal' price to pay to have such a total idiot as this assistant principal not like me! LOL

Anyway...When you wonder WHY the School System did not identify issues and provide the help Cho needed... ask a former teacher who is no longer in jeopardy of losing her/his job if she/he speaks out...

The answer to your 'question' is simplay that Cho not receiving the obvious psychological and special needs (speech)assistance from the public school system is EVIDENCE of our "SYSTEM" at its 'FINEST'...

 

[Nova]

Professor had expelled gunman from class

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/virginia_tech_poet_professor;_ylt=AhOe87Png216snL4zTnwr7L9xg8F

Great article. It's clear the writing faculty was trying to deal with Cho. In fact, he got a lot more personal attention (private tutoring from the Department Head) than the vast majority of students at a large university.

 

[2luvmy]

I thought I read or heard some where that both parents of CHO had been hospitalized for shock and stress.

 

[hallowedbe]

~~~~~~~~~~~~
Cho was a 'minority' student in a public school system.

"Certain GROUPS" have done more harm to the children that they 'say' they are trying to protect than they have done good.

I had the most precious little 5 yr old black boy in my classroom. He happened to have a terrible speech impediment due to a tiny hole in the top of the roof of his mouth. I referred him for speech testing. My assistant principal came to my classroom door and told me she would not send this referral through due to "the NAACP being so vocal in their cause to prevent WHITE teacher's from identifying Black children as having speech problems when it was in fact a 'cultural issue' in the difference in the way whites speak and blacks..."

I PROMISE YOU I AM NOT MAKING THIS CRAP UP!

I knew the child's mother well, as this little guy played on the T-Ball team my son played on and my husband coached. I knew that if he was 'formally and legally identified by the system', his partial 'cleft pallet' would be surgically repaired and paid for by government funding, due to the parent's income level.

I went over the head of my . principal to my principal. My principal agreed with me and processed my referral. The child had surgery. His problem was corrected. All was well, except the . principal didn't care too much for me after that! Oh WELL! It was a small 'personal' price to pay to have such a total idiot as this assistant principal not like me! LOL

Anyway...When you wonder WHY the School System did not identify issues and provide the help Cho needed... ask a former teacher who is no longer in jeopardy of losing her/his job if she/he speaks out...

The answer to your 'question' is simplay that Cho not receiving the obvious psychological and special needs (speech)assistance from the public school system is EVIDENCE of our "SYSTEM" at its 'FINEST'...

I truly understand this post. I taught HS for 40 yrs; I am now at a unversity. Unfortunately, this is how the system works - up and down the grade spectrum. This teacher was lucky that the Asst. Prin was not assigned to do her evaluation. She would be locked in a union battle to keep her job. Vindictiveness happens all the time. In many schools, especially with the pressure of NCLB, adminstrators are only worried about THEIR jobs. You are a gutsy teacher; God bless you for what you did for that little boy.

 

[Garnan]

I love your abbreviation of the idiot's job title: . principal.

It is certainly appropriate!

 

[angelwngs]

I love your abbreviation of the idiot's job title: . principal.

It is certainly appropriate!

 

[Shadow205]

I thought I read or heard some where that both parents of CHO had been hospitalized for shock and stress.

There was a report that came out yesterday that both parents had attempted suicide after hearing what their son had done. Then, that was changed to they were hospitalized for shock & stress. Not sure if this is true or not. I have not seen it confirmed anywhere.

 

[heavenlydaze]

Here we go again. This is no student though...the local high school is in lockdown (3 blocks from our store...there are cops everywhere).

(CBS13) YUBA CITY Sutter County schools are on lockdown and Yuba County schools on heightened alert this morning after a man threatened to go on a killing spree that would make Monday's massacre at Virginia Tech look mild.

Sutter County Sheriff's Department deputies are urgently searching for Jeffery Thomas Carney.

The Sutter County Sheriff's Department says Carney called his pastor and family saying he would go on a shooting spree that would make the killings at Virginia Tech look mild.. He also said he had an AK-47, improvised explosive devises and poison. He also said he wanted to commit suicide by cop.

Jeffery Thomas Carney is described as a 28-year-old white male. He is 6'1" and weighs 190 pounds, brown eye with short brown hair..."

http://cbs13.com/topstories/local_story_109122737.html

I opened the store 15 minutes ago, but this jerk is still out there somewhere and I'm tempted to close.

 

[Ntegrity]

There was a report that came out yesterday that both parents had attempted suicide after hearing what their son had done. Then, that was changed to they were hospitalized for shock & stress. Not sure if this is true or not. I have not seen it confirmed anywhere.

If that's true, it sounds like mental instability runs in the family.

 

[indallas2]

Here we go again. This is no student though...the local high school is in lockdown (3 blocks from our store...there are cops everywhere).

(CBS13) YUBA CITY Sutter County schools are on lockdown and Yuba County schools on heightened alert this morning after a man threatened to go on a killing spree that would make Monday's massacre at Virginia Tech look mild.

Sutter County Sheriff's Department deputies are urgently searching for Jeffery Thomas Carney.

The Sutter County Sheriff's Department says Carney called his pastor and family saying he would go on a shooting spree that would make the killings at Virginia Tech look mild.. He also said he had an AK-47, improvised explosive devises and poison. He also said he wanted to commit suicide by cop.

Jeffery Thomas Carney is described as a 28-year-old white male. He is 6'1" and weighs 190 pounds, brown eye with short brown hair..."

http://cbs13.com/topstories/local_story_109122737.html

I opened the store 15 minutes ago, but this jerk is still out there somewhere and I'm tempted to close.

OMG - be safe!

I frequent another internet message board and today alone I've read 4 or 5 stories about different schools in different areas of the U.S. on lockdown today.

This stuff is just blowing my mind - what is wrong with people today???

A poster said that two students were arrested last night for planning a Columbine copy-cat shooting spree and the school has extra security today someplace in upstate New York;

another poster said that a school in Orlando and one on the coast of Florida were on lockdown today too because of threats;

now I come here and read (even though it's not a student) this story.

The world has gone MAD!! :banghead:

 

[cheko1]

Several videos here:

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=49750&cl=2432995&ch=68276&src=news

There is one article (will try to find it) where the family members in Korea are very upset that he could do this and very remorseful. Services are being held there for the victims.

Great article SewingDeb!

 

[heavenlydaze]

Live link

this is the local newspaper and the kids etc in lockdown are messaging in the comment box at the bottom...also some people near the site where they may have him cornered. Choppers are in the air everywhere. There was one comment that he had a hostage, but it's been removed. I'll ask tho' for no one to comment on that site and please leave it open to the ones who are trying to find out what is going on. Thanks, Deb

Go here:
http://www.appeal-democrat.com/onset?id=47270&template=article.html