VA VA - Winchester, AsianFem 25-40, C-section Scar, Parabon Sketch, Nov'03

[Gardener1850]

Unidentified Person / NamUs #UP61229
ME/C Case Number LEA # 03005429

Female, Asian
Estimated Age Group Adult - Pre 40
Estimated Age Range (Years)25-40

Height 5' 1"-5' 5"(61-65 inches) , Estimated
Weight120-145 lbs, EstimatedS

Scar/mark
The torso has an approximately three-inch long vertical C-section scar on the abdomen

Date Body Found November 27, 2003
Location Found Winchester, Virginia

Circumstances
Type Unidentified Deceased
Date Body Found November 27, 2003
NamUs Case Created October 31, 2019

Location Winchester, Virginia 22602
Frederick County
GPS Coordinates (Not Mapped)--

Circumstances of Recovery
On November 27th, 2003 the Frederick County Sheriff’s Office responded to the 400 block of Fromans Lane, for a report of hunter’s possibility finding a deceased body.The reporting individuals were interviewed, and Deputies walked into the woods from Fromans Lane and approximately ¼ mile from Fromans Lane, the Deputies located the remains of a deceased female. Investigator’s were contacted and arrived on location and described the deceased female remains as only a torso being present. Some demographic information was generated from Parabon phenotype prediction report.
Details of Recovery

Inventory of Remains:
Head not recovered
One or more limbs not recovered
One or both hands not recovered

Condition of Remains: Not recognizable - Traumatic injuries

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

https://www.namus.gov/api/CaseSets/NamUs/UnidentifiedPersons/Cases/61229/Documents/8148

 

[Melt71]

SE Asian in all probability according to markers mapped by Parabon. Head not recovered so picture not reliable
Possibly The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs) Cristian Sedeno missing fm HI but thought to have travelled to the mainland, though reportedly to NV.

 

[DSCrime]

News article from local paper, The Winchester Star

Nov 2, 2019:

Leads sought in 2003 Homicide

On Friday, the Frederick County Sheriff’s Office released a composite photo of woman whose torso was found by a hunter in the woods near the 400 block of Froman Road in Nov. 27, 2003. Sheriff Lenny Milholland said on Friday that the woman’s arms, legs and head had been removed elsewhere in an apparent attempt to keep her from being identified. The composite predicted the woman was about 25 years old with brown eyes and black hair and of Southeast Asian descent.

Although no fingerprints or teeth were recovered, DNA was taken from the body. Millholland said last year’s arrest of the suspected Golden State killer — responsible for more than a dozen homicides and 50 rapes between 1975 and 1986 — inspired him to try to identify the woman through DNA genealogy sampling. Suspect Joseph James DeAngelo Jr., a former police officer charged with 13 murders, was tracked down through the DNA of his relatives on a genealogy database that people use to discover their ancestry and relatives.

Millholland said the several thousand dollars spent to generate the composite was a good investment. He said investigators owed it to the woman’s family to try to identify her and locate a suspect and Parabon has a good track record.

“They’ve been pretty spot on in the ones that they’ve done across the country,” he said. “And we had nothing to lose. We had nothing.”

 

[Melt71]

Oh what good news. I hope that unlike the Asian cases DDP has profiled that they get some matches. Asians have very low rate rates of DNA upload to genealogical sites.

 

[Melt71]

Gosh I know the sketch is a guesstimate and the timing is off but what a resemblance.

Cynthia Wingyan Yueng MP from CA since 2008
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
Cynthia Wingyan Yeung
Cynthia Wingyan Yeung – The Charley Project

 

[Otterly]

News article from local paper, The Winchester Star

Nov 2, 2019:

Leads sought in 2003 Homicide

There's large Vietnamese community in Northern Virginia. Hopefully (it's safe to assume they will) LE will visit Vietnamese community centers/churches and see if anyone can remember a daughter, grandchild, or friend that disappeared in 2003.

 

[Melt71]

There's large Vietnamese community in Northern Virginia. Hopefully (it's safe to assume they will) LE will visit Vietnamese community centers/churches and see if anyone can remember a daughter, grandchild, or friend that disappeared in 2003.

. Interesting as the sketch looks less Vietnamese and more Lao/Thai/Khmer/Myanmar which made me wonder if LE have a more specific hunch about her community of origin that made Parabon skew their sketch towards those parts of SE Asia.

 

[Melt71]

Wondering if I could take up your offer seen on another thread @MadMcGoo - are you able to post the R/O list? TIA

 

[MadMcGoo]

Wondering if I could take up your offer seen on another thread @MadMcGoo - are you able to post the R/O list? TIA

NamUs was down for a bit so I had to wait, but it’s back now
No names listed here either...

 

[Melt71]

NamUs was down for a bit so I had to wait, but it’s back now
No names listed here either...

Oh that's sad MOO

 

[MadMcGoo]

Oh that's sad MOO

It is! Very heartbreaking! One good thing about doing the updates exclusion lists - I come across many cases I wouldn’t have otherwise

 

[Nate_Bro]

I wonder how accurate the age estimate is, given that they had no dentals to go off of? Also is there any PMI estimate? I noticed that they include Hunnan province of China, so Chinese shouldnt be ruled out in Favor of Vietnam etc...
One girl I wanna throw in the mix is Felg Chai Li. She was a 17yo Chinese refugee to Canada who possibly left to New York more than a year before this Doe was found... who knows what might have happened to her when she entered the US. Of course, there are other Does that she could be also...just a thought
Canada's Missing | Case details

 

[MadMcGoo]

That’s a good find @Nate_Bro ! The demographics match up. She’s a tad on the younger side, but not enough to rule out. I think it’s worth submitting.

Wish there was a better photo of her for comparison purposes, but I tilted her photo a bit to straighten it and placed it next to the Parabon image, if that helps...

 

[YaYa_521]

There are still no exclusions listed for this young lady.

 

[YaYa_521]

News article from local paper, The Winchester Star

Nov 2, 2019:

Leads sought in 2003 Homicide

 

[walt91]

A few potential matches for this poor girl:

Ganignunt Aiemsakul, a 19-year old Thai-American (I think?) woman who vanished from Gaithersburg, Maryland in March 2002. She's within the height and weight estimate (age is a bit off, but I'm not sure how accurate it is since they only have her torso), and Gaithersburg is only about an hour and fifteen minutes from Winchester. She does have tattoos on her waist and back, though, whereas JD doesn't appear to have any.

Por Soua Her, a 22-year old woman who vanished from Minneapolis in March 2002. I'm pretty sure she's of Hmong descent. She's shorter than JD is estimated to be, though, and the distance makes it less likely, but I figured I'd throw the possibility out there.

 

[LucyOso]

I hope she was not an imported bride.

 

[LucyOso]

XU WANG

Xu Wang

www.cookcountysheriff.org

IL - IL - Xu Wang, 39, Darien, 10 August 1999

Xu Wang Wang, circa 1999 Missing Since 08/10/1999 Missing From Darien, Illinois Classification Endangered Missing Sex Female Race Asian Age 39 years old Height and Weight 5'2 - 5'5, 135 pounds Clothing/Jewelry Description Possibly scrubs with the Rush-Coply Medical Center label...

www.websleuths.com

 

[Melt71]

Countries such as Cambodia, Thailand, Myanmar, Vietnam, Philippines, Indonesia all had significant historical movements of Chinese traders around their coastlines and by land into northern Vietnam, Myanmar and Laos. (There has been a new wave of Chinese migrants to these areas in the last couple of decades, but likely too recently to have impacted this UID's DNA profile). For example my husband is SE Asian and one great-grandparent was born in China.

I don't think the UID would be someone who identifies as Chinese or is a Chinese tourist/student missing in north america. There hasn't been mass migration in the other direction from SE Asia into China, therefore it's highly unlikely someone identifying as Chinese would have so much SE Asian DNA. I think this UID will turn out to be someone from SE Asia that happens to have a Chinese ancestor.

 

[Melt71]

I hope she was not an imported bride.

I'm not sure what this means? Are you referring to the old fashioned system pre-internet where "searching for a husband" type magazines were printed and men could literally choose and write in by mail to learn more about the person? Or referring to a foreign-born spouse who migrated to be with their partner (as did mine). I'd just gently like to say that it's considered rude to refer to spouses such as my own as "imported". Goods like cars, food, livestock are imported. People migrate. (Please do take this in the spirit it is intended, as I know many people don't realise how insulting the term is.)