Vatican calling for Boycott of Da Vinci Code

windovervocalcords said:
I camped for three months in solitude in Northern New Mexico. What marvelous views and subtle terrain. It truly is the "Land of Enchantment"


I was "poking around google" (oh no, not again!) and found this interesting link:
Did not know there are so many varieties of Catholics.
http://withchrist.org/catholic.htm
So you found another Anti-Catholic website. There are many, a lot of people hate Catholics.

Go here if you are really interested in learning about the Catholic Church:
http://catholic.com/
 
windovervocalcords said:
For heavens sake...how was that link anti-catholic? I did not experience it that way. Also you have chosen to ignore the link to Christ in the Desert monastery..why is that?

I am more interested in "unlearning" conditioning myself, but that you for caring..
That was an anti Catholic link very much so, EO is right, same old same old anti Catholic Propaganda. Gets tiresome, and you keep posting anti Catholic links, that too gets tiresome. You can keep posting all the so called excuses you want for doing so. "Unlearning" conditioning myself, that's good.
 
windovervocalcords said:
For heavens sake...how was that link anti-catholic? I did not experience it that way. Also you have chosen to ignore the link to Christ in the Desert monastery..why is that?

I am more interested in "unlearning" conditioning myself, but that you for caring..
Without knowing the intent of the author, it is hard to say if he is anti-Catholic or merely ignorant of the Catholic Church.

By showing the diversity of the Catholic laity, he seems to be trying to disprove the Catholic Unity. Some of the groups he described are schismatic and no longer part of the Roman Catholic Church.

Whether a Catholic is a considered "cultural", "charismatic", "traditional", etc., the unity lies in adhering to the Doctrines of the Church as put forth by the Magestrium of the Roman Catholic Church. Unity does not mean that all Catholics must be carbon copies of one another.
 
windovervocalcords said:
For heavens sake...how was that link anti-catholic? I did not experience it that way. Also you have chosen to ignore the link to Christ in the Desert monastery..why is that?

I am more interested in "unlearning" conditioning myself, but that you for caring..
The website makes repeated attacks on the Catholic Church, that is how it is Anti-Catholic.


The site also attacks Methodists and Pentecostals.
 
I think its pretty safe to say that you could find a website that will attack any religeon. Websleuths isn't going to be one of them though. If anyone needs to take a breather, please do so.
 
Anti-Catholicism on the Net

What is anti-Catholicism?
Anti-Catholic themes may be loosely categorized as follows:

1. attacking Catholicism as being un-Christian or a cult (in the pejorative and not the sociological sense);

2. ridiculing or misinterpreting Catholic doctrine or practice;

3. ascribing to the Catholic Church a sinister role in an anti-Christian or anti-American conspiracy;

4. distorting or taking out of context illegal or scandalous behavior (especially sexual misconduct) by Catholic clergy or laity.

I label a web-site as anti-Catholic if it falls into one or more of the above categories. Obviously, there are some gray areas: How to distinguish between anti-Catholicism and legitimate differences with the Catholic Church? Further, given the ever widening sexual scandal which has engulfed the Catholic Church in the past few years, a great deal of material has appeared on the Net which is highly critical of the Catholic Church but which cannot be considered anti-Catholic.
 
I actually thought this was a Catholic site I was linking from and it was Catholics discussing the types of Catholics.

I am mistaken.

I am not a Catholic. My family is. I asked the question "Who is a Catholic" on google and got that link.

I ask the question because my family says: "Once a Catholic, always a Catholic." I wanted another source.

Suffice it to say the ultra sensitive and angry responses from Catholic posters over this link caused me to delete the post.

Thank you to all those with an open mind and kind hearted responses who answered questions (DK,Maral, etc).

May your path continue to bring out your best qualities and may all benefit.
 
windovervocalcords said:
I actually thought this was a Catholic site I was linking from and it was Catholics discussing the types of Catholics.

I am mistaken.

I am not a Catholic. My family is. I asked the question "Who is a Catholic" on google and got that link.

I ask the question because my family says: "Once a Catholic, always a Catholic." I wanted another source.

Suffice it to say the ultra sensitive and angry responses from Catholic posters over this link caused me to delete the post.

Thank you to all those with an open mind and kind hearted responses who answered questions (DK,Maral, etc).

May your path continue to bring out your best qualities and may all benefit.

I am going to try to post in a calm manner here, because your above post is not making that very easy I will admit that..... You have continually posted anti Catholic web sites on here, I have called you on it numerous times as have other posters. You have posted untruths about Our Pope who We love dearly, You have posted untruths about the doctrines of Our Church, under the guise (as I have said before of you are what? enlightening yourself?)

In order for you to enlighten yourself you have to continue to post web sites that promote Anti Catholic Propoganda??? How does that enlighten you???

Oh and when you do continue to post these web sites and DEVOTE Catholics who love their Faith challenge you on these site and wonder why you continue to post them, you label them "ulta sensitive" angry, and suggest they are not open minded for defending their Fath. How condescending and self righteous of you. You are the one who is contantly attacking our faith yet you call us "ultra sensitive" angry and not open minded, how laughable.

ED posted the perfect site if you were in the least interested in learning about Catholicism. It is Apparent however, regardless of all your rhetoric of "enlighening" yourself, that you are not, you just continue to post the anti Catholic ones. Like I have said before I have to wonder why that is. There are many others on the web about actual Catholicism, I do not see you posting any of them, ( Imagine that) You certainly know how to surf the web, but just manage to come up with the Anti Catholic ones amazing.
 
TisHerself said:
I am going to try to post in a calm manner here, because your above post is not making that very easy I will admit that..... You have continually posted anti Catholic web sites on here, I have called you on it numerous times as have other posters. You have posted untruths about Our Pope who We love dearly, You have posted untruths about the doctrines of Our Church, under the guise (as I have said before of you are what? enlightening yourself?)

In order for you to enlighten yourself you have to continue to post web sites that promote Anti Catholic Propoganda??? How does that enlighten you???

Oh and when you do continue to post these web sites and DEVOTE Catholics who love their Faith challenge you on these site and wonder why you continue to post them, you label them "ulta sensitive" angry, and suggest they are not open minded for defending their Fath. How condescending and self righteous of you. You are the one who is contantly attacking our faith yet you call us "ultra sensitive" angry and not open minded, how laughable.

ED posted the perfect site if you were in the least interested in learning about Catholicism. It is Apparent however, regardless of all your rhetoric of "enlighening" yourself, that you are not, you just continue to post the anti Catholic ones. Like I have said before I have to wonder why that is. There are many others on the web about actual Catholicism, I do not see you posting any of them, ( Imagine that) You certainly know how to surf the web, but just manage to come up with the Anti Catholic ones amazing.
The ignore option is a good one when a poster gets on your nerves,

Tis. You remind me of my relatives. We don't see eye to eye on lots of things. We are related, (one may say stuck with each other) there is a connection, sometimes even affection, and yet we do not understand each other.

Be well.
 
...As a responsible parent and member of my community, I find Dawn Eden to be patently offensive...Whether her arrogance, misinformation, and lack of regard for anyone except herself is due to her "simply being that way", or whether she has become this way because of some past issues in her life she has yet to resolve coupled with some tremendous anger she has, I don't know (I think it's the latter, probably), but either way, I find her offensive, and would add that I wouldn't feel safe having kids around her either....She is misinformed, and has some very strange views, and is extremely dishonest - something which has cost her at least one job....Unfortunately for the more rational Catholics I know and am close friends with, she has cloaked herself in the mantle of Catholicism, which, according to my Catholic friends many, many people find very, very disturbing and embarassing. (As folks who are Protestant react to Jerry Falwell, and folks who are Jewish react to some of the Crown Heights/ Williamsburg rabbis with their extreme views.

Again, the common thread I keep finding here is extreme fundamentalism in religious views, expecially when that infilitrates the political agenda. Now, while you may not like the site that WOVC posted, It was not extreme or patently offensive in any way; what exactly is it that you are abreacting to?
 
Dark Knight said:
Having all of the answers would then require no faith to believe.
Yes I know :)
It has nothing to do with intelligence does it?? because here I am in the middle of a thread trying to keep up with people who probably hold degrees in something......
Yet they obviously believe everything their church tells them.
There is a hole that needs to be filled....something inside that needs reassurance.
Churches and cults prey on emotionally vunerable people.
 
narlacat said:
Yes I know :)
It has nothing to do with intelligence does it?? because here I am in the middle of a thread trying to keep up with people who probably hold degrees in something......
Yet they obviously believe everything their church tells them.
There is a hole that needs to be filled....something inside that needs reassurance.
Churches and cults prey on emotionally vunerable people.
You know what narla? Sometimes I think you really want to understand, and sometimes I think you just want to throw out bait and inflame others over matter you know they feel strongly about. It's getting tiresome.

You throw out terms like "intelligence", implying that one either lacks or suspends their intelligence if they call themselves Catholic. As DK said, having all the answers would require no faith to believe. I agree with this. But you (and many other posters here) are trying to put logical, scientific limits on something which is very abstract and difficult to define. There are aspects to religious experience that are, for lack of a better word, supernatural, and as such, sometimes defy logic or science. You can't just get it or live it from reading a book, anymore than you could fall in love with your husband/wife by reading about them in a book. You have to live it and experience it.

I like to quote a certain Franciscan priest, Richard Rohr. In his book, Everything Belongs, he says "We do not think out way into new ways of living. We live our way into new ways of thinking."

I am living my way into new ways of thinking. Through my faith, I work on myself, daily, weekly. I don't know where you turn to become a better person, but I do it through my faith. Every week, I read and reread the gospel for the coming week, and seek a message particular to me in my place where I am at that week. Through reconciliation (or confession) I work through my own faults and shortcomings, working on my pride sometimes, my anger at other times, as examples. I meet with a home prayer group one morning per week, and I serve in a few ministries in my church. I am passionately in love, and consumed with my faith. In a good way. My Catholic faith is interwoven throughout my life, and that is why, when people either take shots at the Catholic Church, or write books/produce movies that mock my church, I feel personally offended.

I promise you this, narla. I don't just "believe everything the church tells me". I study it, I ask questions, I seek to understand. Most things have come clear to me, there are other aspects of my Catholic faith that I am still hoping to know. but I know enough and have experienced enough to trust, and to be hungry for more.

Emotionally vulnerable? No, I don't think so. Nor do I think I am the one with a hole that needs to be filled.....

imho
 
sandraladeda said:
You know what narla? Sometimes I think you really want to understand, and sometimes I think you just want to throw out bait and inflame others over matter you know they feel strongly about. It's getting tiresome.

You throw out terms like "intelligence", implying that one either lacks or suspends their intelligence if they call themselves Catholic. As DK said, having all the answers would require no faith to believe. I agree with this. But you (and many other posters here) are trying to put logical, scientific limits on something which is very abstract and difficult to define. There are aspects to religious experience that are, for lack of a better word, supernatural, and as such, sometimes defy logic or science. You can't just get it or live it from reading a book, anymore than you could fall in love with your husband/wife by reading about them in a book. You have to live it and experience it.

I like to quote a certain Jesuit priest, Richard Rohr. In his book, Everything Belongs, he says "We do not think out way into new ways of living. We live our way into new ways of thinking."

I am living my way into new ways of thinking. Through my faith, I work on myself, daily, weekly. I don't know where you turn to become a better person, but I do it through my faith. Every week, I read and reread the gospel for the coming week, and seek a message particular to me in my place where I am at that week. Through reconciliation (or confession) I work through my own faults and shortcomings, working on my pride sometimes, my anger at other times, as examples. I meet with a home prayer group one morning per week, and I serve in a few ministries in my church. I am passionately in love, and consumed with my faith. In a good way. My Catholic faith is interwoven throughout my life, and that is why, when people either take shots at the Catholic Church, or write books/produce movies that mock my church, I feel personally offended.

I promise you this, narla. I don't just "believe everything the church tells me". I study it, I ask questions, I seek to understand. Most things have come clear to me, there are other aspects of my Catholic faith that I am still hoping to know. but I know enough and have experienced enough to trust, and to be hungry for more.

Emotionally vulnerable? No, I don't think so. Nor do I think I am the one with a hole that needs to be filled.....

imho
Great post....I believe you.
 
sandraladeda said:
Thanks! I just don't get to hear the words "great post" often enough! :)
I enjoy all your posts. This one especially because its fair, clear, honest and kind. Great qualities. Very good advertisement for your faith. Keep going.
 
Me too.
I get that you are a 'good' person Sandra, I really do.
Yes, I want to understand but no I don't lol.
We have lots of lifetimes to work ourselves out and yes like you I am doing what I can to 'better myself' in this one.
You guys always take things so personally, yes I wonder why 'intelligent' people fall for stuff that requires no thinking of their own, it's all been done for them.
I understand 'supernatural' experiences, I had a blast of a saturn return, unreal that was....
I'm sorry if it seems like people want to be imflamed, I can't help it if what I think strikes a chord in them, I only know what I believe.
 
narlacat said:
Me too.
I get that you are a 'good' person Sandra, I really do.
Yes, I want to understand but no I don't lol.
We have lots of lifetimes to work ourselves out and yes like you I am doing what I can to 'better myself' in this one.
You guys always take things so personally, yes I wonder why 'intelligent' people fall for stuff that requires no thinking of their own, it's all been done for them.
I understand 'supernatural' experiences, I had a blast of a saturn return, unreal that was....
I'm sorry if it seems like people want to be imflamed, I can't help it if what I think strikes a chord in them, I only know what I believe.
Well stated. Although I wonder how many people know what you're talking about with your saturn return lol (I do)

Saturn return in astrology is the time one separates from one's parents in terms of what one is taught on the deepest level and find's one's own spiritual path.

For some, it is the "faith of their father" (or mother's) and for others its another path.

But going with the assumption of "basic goodness" in another person's intent, even if not understood, is a wonderful way to go through life.

It always inspires me when people do that. Kudos narla and sandrala.
 
windovervocalcords said:
Well stated. Although I wonder how many people know what you're talking about with your saturn return lol (I do)

Saturn return in astrology is the time one separates from one's parents in terms of what one is taught on the deepest level and find's one's own spiritual path.

For some, it is the "faith of their father" (or mother's) and for others its another path.

But going with the assumption of "basic goodness" in another person's intent, even if not understood, is a wonderful way to go through life.

It always inspires me when people do that. Kudos narla and sandrala.
I find that this is a never ending process in my life.

I have followed all 24 pages of this thread. Going back to the original question of boycotting DVC, it seems to me that whenever something makes the news concerning a certain religious or ethnic group, the people of the targeted group do feel threatened. Think of it this way, most people don't have the time or the inclination to seperate the individual from the group. They see a headline saying a priest molested a child and think this applies to all priests. Another headline says a muslim is a terrorist and so all Muslims are terrorists.
Passion of the Christ was very scary to alot of jewish people because there already is so much antisemistism in the world that they didn't need any more ammunition. I think the Catholic church has taken alot of hits as well in recent years, which would explain why some Catholics might feel threatened by this movie even if it is just a movie. Again, why give people more ammunition to hate you.
 
narlacat said:
Yes I know :)
It has nothing to do with intelligence does it?? because here I am in the middle of a thread trying to keep up with people who probably hold degrees in something......
Yet they obviously believe everything their church tells them.
There is a hole that needs to be filled....something inside that needs reassurance.
Churches and cults prey on emotionally vunerable people.
Narla, having faith is not quite as simplistic as just believing everything our church tells us. Yes, we believe in the doctrines of our faith. But accepting this faith requires more than just believing. It requires a lifelong struggle to understand it, to live it, and to practice it

Edited to add: Sandra, I wrote this before I read your excellent post. You pretty much said what I just did, only more eloquently.
 
sandraladeda said:
You know what narla? Sometimes I think you really want to understand, and sometimes I think you just want to throw out bait and inflame others over matter you know they feel strongly about. It's getting tiresome.

You throw out terms like "intelligence", implying that one either lacks or suspends their intelligence if they call themselves Catholic. As DK said, having all the answers would require no faith to believe. I agree with this. But you (and many other posters here) are trying to put logical, scientific limits on something which is very abstract and difficult to define. There are aspects to religious experience that are, for lack of a better word, supernatural, and as such, sometimes defy logic or science. You can't just get it or live it from reading a book, anymore than you could fall in love with your husband/wife by reading about them in a book. You have to live it and experience it.

I like to quote a certain Franciscan priest, Richard Rohr. In his book, Everything Belongs, he says "We do not think out way into new ways of living. We live our way into new ways of thinking."

I am living my way into new ways of thinking. Through my faith, I work on myself, daily, weekly. I don't know where you turn to become a better person, but I do it through my faith. Every week, I read and reread the gospel for the coming week, and seek a message particular to me in my place where I am at that week. Through reconciliation (or confession) I work through my own faults and shortcomings, working on my pride sometimes, my anger at other times, as examples. I meet with a home prayer group one morning per week, and I serve in a few ministries in my church. I am passionately in love, and consumed with my faith. In a good way. My Catholic faith is interwoven throughout my life, and that is why, when people either take shots at the Catholic Church, or write books/produce movies that mock my church, I feel personally offended.

I promise you this, narla. I don't just "believe everything the church tells me". I study it, I ask questions, I seek to understand. Most things have come clear to me, there are other aspects of my Catholic faith that I am still hoping to know. but I know enough and have experienced enough to trust, and to be hungry for more.

Emotionally vulnerable? No, I don't think so. Nor do I think I am the one with a hole that needs to be filled.....

imho
What a great post Sandra.
 

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