Vatican calling for Boycott of Da Vinci Code

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mic730 said:
I think the Vatican is opposed to any train of thought, even in fiction, that Jesus fathered a child and it's not about Opus Dei at all.
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exactly, along with w/a lot of religion...it would blow a lot of the stories, in the Bible, right out of the water....
 
[size=-1]The dramatic vehicle on which DAVINCI rides is a gimmicky Paris-London-Scotland murder mystery filled with riddles and gadgets. It is saturated with Church intrigue and the usual greed. The documentation around which it's constructed is as inventive as it is irrelevant.[/size]

[size=-1]For the book's spiritual core---and popular appeal---rests on its invocation and adoration of feminist spirituality and pagan naturalism. With wild invention and literary flair worthy of its namesake, DAVINCI flaunts the heretical, anti-clerical homosexuality of western civilization's leading intellectual superstar. Leonardo's Mona Lisa plays as a coy, cutting smirk, exalting female power and the demand for gender balance.[/size]

[size=-1]In its most crucial exposition, DAVINCI cuts to the heart of today's culture war, in which the "tradition of perpetuating goddess worship is based on a belief that powerful men in the early Christian church 'conned' the world by propagating lies that devalued the female and tipped the scales in favor of the masculine."[/size]
http://www.counterpunch.org/wasserman05162006.html
 
A couple of things jump out at me through all of these conversations...

We all, and I am assuming we are mostly all English speaking North Americans,
are still passionate about our religions!!

There is no "one size fits all" religion. I am not Catholic and would never convert and find great disagreement with many of the ideologies of the church. But I have been to mass and different services in Catholic churches over the years and have felt great closeness to God in the ceremony and music and chants.

I have felt the same in the Unity church.
I have felt the closeness in a Presbeterian church
I have felt great peace in non-denominational services in a sports stadium!

I do not think one religion over another is the only way to get to heaven and for anyone to be adament about that is rude and wrong. You go get there your way, and I will get there mine...guaranteed...

I am feeling very fortunate that I live in a place and time where I will not be persecuted for liking the DaVinci Code, or that my friends do not have to hide the place of worship they prefer!

Lynie
 
lynie said:
A couple of things jump out at me through all of these conversations...

We all, and I am assuming we are mostly all English speaking North Americans,
are still passionate about our religions!!

There is no "one size fits all" religion. I am not Catholic and would never convert and find great disagreement with many of the ideologies of the church. But I have been to mass and different services in Catholic churches over the years and have felt great closeness to God in the ceremony and music and chants.

I have felt the same in the Unity church.
I have felt the closeness in a Presbeterian church
I have felt great peace in non-denominational services in a sports stadium!

I do not think one religion over another is the only way to get to heaven and for anyone to be adament about that is rude and wrong. You go get there your way, and I will get there mine...guaranteed...

I am feeling very fortunate that I live in a place and time where I will not be persecuted for liking the DaVinci Code, or that my friends do not have to hide the place of worship they prefer!

Lynie
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I haven't even read the book yet (but will) and usually wait to rent/buy the movie, so don't really have an opinion on the book/movie. I disagree with it, or any books, being boycotted/censured/burned, etc.

Just because we read or view a work does not mean we have to agree/accept it all as real truth; even Jesus IIRC used parables to illustrate guidance for his followers. If someone is secure in their faith, whatever it is, learning/seeing something different should not affect it, but they still might come away with a new insight or understanding of others.

Just wanted to say the above post is the best I have read in the entire thread!!
 
I had loaned out my book before finishing it. I just got it back. So, I will pick up where I left off and continue.

I personally, cannot understand why individual religious beliefs can be so upsetting and even deadly in some cases. I understand DK's points about persecution of Catholics. Again, I understand the persecution of Jews. I know that DK is right in that a basic Catholic belief of the Apostolic succession. I also know that some Baptists are taught that if you're not a Baptist you're going straight to Hell. I also don't understand why some Christians insist in believing Jews killed Jesus. Jesus was Jewish, and a rabbi to boot. He was even a controversial rabbi, going against traditional teachings of the time. He was a rebel, but was always Jewish. He was followed as a rabbi. His diciples established Christianity after his death and resurrection.

BTW, I would probably be Catholic, if Henry VIII, didn't have such a power struggle with Rome. But, because he did, I ended up Episcopalian.

I do not see a problem with the movie or the book. I won't boycott the movie. Our small town has one theater and with the number of films out each week, they have a tendency to keep to family friendly movies. I probably will buy the DVD if I don't see it in the theater.

For anyone who watches great cable channels, such as Discovery, TLC, Science and History channel, you would know all about the controversy about this fictional theory and other explorations of Biblical and religious history. Many have questioned events and many are true and many others are debunked.
 
BarnGoddess said:
I personally, cannot understand why individual religious beliefs can be so upsetting and even deadly in some cases. I understand DK's points about persecution of Catholics. Again, I understand the persecution of Jews. I know that DK is right in that a basic Catholic belief of the Apostolic succession. I also know that some Baptists are taught that if you're not a Baptist you're going straight to Hell. I also don't understand why some Christians insist in believing Jews killed Jesus. Jesus was Jewish, and a rabbi to boot. He was even a controversial rabbi, going against traditional teachings of the time. He was a rebel, but was always Jewish. He was followed as a rabbi. His diciples established Christianity after his death and resurrection.
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I agree with you BG. I'll even go a step farther. I don't know why people get their panties in such a wad. A persons relationship with god is personal. (and yes, I believe god is universal) Whether that person be Catholic, Jewish, Buddhist, Islamist, Wiccan or any other religious persuasion doesn't matter. The extremist have to go and ruin it for everyone.

Love your fellow man.



JMHO
 
BarnGoddess said:
I personally, cannot understand why individual religious beliefs can be so upsetting and even deadly in some cases.
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Because religions are created by man, not by God.
 
windovervocalcords said:
No doubt, Christ was not a Christian.
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I'm not even sure how to begin addressing such a statement, lol. He was born a Jew, but those who followed Him and established His church (of which He named Peter the rock and head of) were called Christians. I.E. followers of Christ.
 
Here's my take on this, for what it's worth. For those who think banning the movie is going to have a positive effect - I think the reverse is true. Nothing like negative promotion to set book or movie ticket sales on fire!

Those who truly have a solid religious foundation based upon their church's teachings aren't going to toss it aside & begin to worship differently because of a Hollywood blockbuster. With all the controversy surrounding it's premier, perhaps a few people who don't have a firm belief system will be intrigued by the movie's concepts and decide to read the bible, do some religious research, and expand their horizons a bit. From there, a few "undecided" people might ultimately embrace Jesus Christ and his teachings.

I think it's a win-win on that concept alone.
 
Dark Knight said:
I'm not even sure how to begin addressing such a statement, lol. He was born a Jew, but those who followed Him and established His church (of which He named Peter the rock and head of) were called Christians. I.E. followers of Christ.
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lol-- DK

I must have missed that the word "Christian" comes from Christ and means..."followers of Christ"..

Christ was not a Christian....he was not a follower of Christ.. He was the Christ.

I doubt Jesus would have been offended or threatened by the Da Vinci code story...he walked on water didn't he? Can't get more confident than that. As for persecution, he bore the cross didn't he? That seems a much bigger deal to me than the persecution you mentioned in your earlier post of one sect of Christianity calling Catholics, another sect (as in sectarian) not a "true Christian".

Maybe Christ is bigger than all of that and I would bet that some folks will find their way to the teachings of Christ for as silly a reason as reading a novel or seeing a movie and having questions about it. Some of the other Christian Churches are seeing Da Vinci Code as an opportunity for converts lol. They do not feel persecuted at all by it.

Of course, it makes sense that Catholics should have faith in their interpretation of the teachings of Christ and rely on the Pope. They should not do anything that would shake their faith in any way. If not seeing certain movies or books when they disturb or confuse makes perfect sense to me.

I just think it would be wise for Catholics to discuss among themselves their doctrine and teachings in order to clear away any confusion. Some of our Catholic posters have kindly included links to article outlining how and why they feel Da Vinci Code is harmful to Catholics. That's a good thing IMO

Some people who are also Christians, part of the extended "distant family" might see the movie and only see it as affirmation of their faith in the teachings of Jesus Christ, including a little light hearted poke by JC himself at how the institutions that have sprung up around Christ's teachings may take themselves a bit too seriously.

Just another way to look at it....that's all.
 
windovervocalcords said:
lol-- DK

I must have missed that the word "Christian" comes from Christ and means..."followers of Christ"..

Christ was not a Christian....he was not a follower of Christ.. He was the Christ.

I doubt Jesus would have been offended or threatened by the Da Vinci code story...he walked on water didn't he? Can't get more confident than that. As for persecution, he bore the cross didn't he? That seems a much bigger deal to me than the persecution you mentioned in your earlier post of one sect of Christianity calling Catholics, another sect (as in sectarian) not a "true Christian".

Maybe Christ is bigger than all of that and I would bet that some folks will find their way the teachings of Christ for as silly as reason as reading a novel or seeing a movie and having questions about it? Some of the other Christian Churches are seeing Da Vinci Code as an opportunity for converts lol. They do not feel persecuted at all by it.

Of course, it makes sense that Catholics should have faith in their interpretation of the teachings of Christ and rely on the Pope. They should not do anything that would shake their faith in any way. If not seeing certain movies or books when they disturb or confuse makes perfect sense to me.

I just think it would be wise for Catholics to discuss among themselves their doctrine and teachings in order to clear away any confusion. Some of our Catholic posters have kindly included links to article outlining how and why they feel Da Vinci Code is harmful to Catholics. That's a good thing IMO

Some people who are also Christians, part of the extended "distant family" might see the movie and only see it as affirmation of their faith in the teachings of Jesus Christ, including a little light hearted poke by JC himself at how the institutions that have sprung up around Christ's teachings may take themselves a bit too seriously.

Just another way to look at it....that's all.
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The non-Christian label is a small persecution, mind you, but you know when people say that Jews are going to Hell, like some persons say Catholics are, they are far more widely condemned and called anti-semetic, Nazis, etc, lol. SOmehow it is ok to say that about us, though.

But my original point was calling for a boycott of something we see as blasphemous isn't any worse than the boycotts of The Passion of the Christ as called by the Jewish Anti-Defamation league, etc. or the protests over the cartoon of Mohammad. We're just stating our dislike for something. But we never called for theaters to not show the movie, as is happening in our countries, I read today.

Everyone's point is, I think, that media should be more respectful of people's faiths than they have been over the years, and continue to be.
 
Dark Knight said:
Everyone's point is, I think, that media should be more respectful of people's faiths than they have been over the years, and continue to be.
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Not mine! I think a boycott is fine, and I think the existience of the movie is fine - I think the media should be less respectful of faith than they are - print Mohommed pictures, don't hold off on reporting a crime just because it involves some religion's clergy, report scandals. The whole Catholic pedophile thing was out for quite awhile before the media got up the guts to report on it - and that's not specific to any one religion, they're way too accomodating and willing to cover up for any religion.
 
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Not mine! I think a boycott is fine, and I think the existience of the movie is fine - I think the media should be less respectful of faith than they are - print Mohommed pictures, don't hold off on reporting a crime just because it involves some religion's clergy, report scandals. The whole Catholic pedophile thing was out for quite awhile before the media got up the guts to report on it - and that's not specific to any one religion, they're way too accomodating and willing to cover up for any religion.
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Reporting a crime is fine, but showing a religion's major figure in a disrespectful way is not a positive thing. And given the percentages, I think the media more than blew the pedophile priest story out of proportion. You would likely find a similar number of incidences in other lines of service professions, since pedophiles seek those positions out. Even worse, the media made it sound like the doctrine of celebacy caused it, which is insane, of course. :bang:
 
Dark Knight said:
Reporting a crime is fine, but showing a religion's major figure in a disrespectful way is not a positive thing. And given the percentages, I think the media more than blew the pedophile priest story out of proportion. You would likely find a similar number of incidences in other lines of service professions, since pedophiles seek those positions out. Even worse, the media made it sound like the doctrine of celebacy caused it, which is insane, of course. :bang:
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Miss the point much? The point isn't that priests molest in equivalent numbers, it's that we should be able to expect them to be better than "other lines of service professions."

But since we're talking about other service professions, name ONE that protected child molesters in such a systematic and far reaching manner?

This has nothing to do with DVC, DK, but you are in serious denial about your church.
 
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