Venezuela - President Nicolas Maduro & his wife "captured and flown out of country" by U.S. Army Delta Force during "large scale attack" - Jan 3, 2026

  • #641
Does anyone else remember Iraq blowing up oil wells (700 of them) to stop the US from getting the oil?
It was one of my first thoughts about potential Venezuelan guerilla tactics.


But as Iraqi forces pulled out, in a final vengeful act they deliberately set more than 700 oilwells ablaze ....

The oilwells burned uncontrollably. The smoke plume above them initially stretched for 800 miles. A staggering 11m barrels of crude oil poured into the Persian Gulf, creating a slick nine miles long. Nearly 300 oil lakes formed on the surface of the desert, polluting the soils.

An international coalition of firefighters battled the fires for months until the last well was finally capped on 6 November 1991 and Kuwait celebrated under clear skies.


I know this was 30+ years ago (and I have vague memories of it, I was in elementary school when it happened) but all I can think when I read that article is the absolute horrific environmental effect this and all wars have on this planet. Makes me sick to my stomach that they are doing all of this in an effort to get more oil (and money) and just burning the Earth up. What good does having oil do if the world is desecrated in the process?? All MOO.
 
  • #642

'OUR hemisphere': Trump's new message to world​


The Trump administration is doubling down over its claims of hegemony in the "Western Hemisphere", amid ongoing threats to attack or undermine neighbours the US claims to be a threat.

Taking to X earlier this morning, the US State Department posted a black-and-white photo of Donald Trump with the caption: "This is OUR Hemisphere, and President Trump will not allow our security to be threatened".
 
  • #643
McGovern Statement on Unauthorized Use of Military Force in Venezuela:

“Nicolás Maduro is a brutal dictator with a horrific human rights record who used force to cling to power after losing an election. It is entirely possible to hate Maduro and also to strongly condemn the decision to remove him by force. President Trump did not seek congressional authorization for this use of force, and Congress did not grant it. Under our Constitution and the law, that makes this action illegal.

“Our policy towards Venezuela must be centered on the human rights, democratic freedoms and well-being of the people of Venezuela – all the people, not just any favored faction. They have suffered tremendously under decades of repression by their own government, and deprivations made worse by broad-based U.S. economic sanctions. Genuinely including the Venezuelan people, across all ethnic and socio-economic categories, in what comes next is essential.

“U.S. military-induced regime change creates severe unintended consequences, as evidenced in Iraq. There is always more violence and civilian harm than leaders promise. Now Trump says the U.S. will “run the country.” He has not consulted Congress on this plan. He has not been honest with the American public about the costs, either financial or boots on the ground. And Trump is insulting the Venezuelan people by thinking he knows better than them about how to chart their own future.

“Like Bush and Cheney a quarter century ago, President Trump has based this action on oil. He has spoken of Venezuela’s oil reserves as “our oil” which is the opposite of putting the Venezuelan people first.

“If Maduro is to stand trial, it would be best done by an international tribunal. The International Criminal Court has an ongoing investigation into crimes against humanity committed by the Venezuelan government under Nicolás Maduro, which is supported by many other governments in the Western Hemisphere. Holding Maduro accountable under an international justice mechanism would add legitimacy in the eyes of the global community in a way that a trial in a U.S. court may not. Trying Maduro solely on narcotics charges would risk denying the Venezuelan people the accountability-based justice they seek for massive human rights violations against them.
 
  • #644

'OUR hemisphere': Trump's new message to world​


The Trump administration is doubling down over its claims of hegemony in the "Western Hemisphere", amid ongoing threats to attack or undermine neighbours the US claims to be a threat.

Taking to X earlier this morning, the US State Department posted a black-and-white photo of Donald Trump with the caption: "This is OUR Hemisphere, and President Trump will not allow our security to be threatened".
I'm Canadian and Trump definitely doesn't own the Western hemisphere! The population of the hemisphere is around 1 billion.

Where does he get off saying that he's the boss! The rest of the western hemisphere didn't elect him. Clearly he is showing he doesn't believe in democracy. He's just being a bully and throwing his economic weight around to further line the pockets of his rich corporate buddies. He recently released the former Honduran president who was in US jail for drug offences. So clearly Trump doesn't really care about the drug problem. And he "bought" the Argentina government, by bailing them out (despite not having enough money to provide affordable health care to fellow Americans). The Western hemisphere is not Trump's playground.

Where is his respect for the sovereignty of other nations?
 
  • #645
We were forcing out their leader because Maduro killed 20, 000 civilians who opposed his regime.

He was forced out because his people were living in misery. The economic suffering began way before we stepped in. IMO
Well, if those are the parameters for invading a country: cruel dictator, oppressing and killing the citizens of the country, economy in the toilet, etc, then Trump better get cracking to rally the troops because I can think of several countries that fall within those points: Haiti, Nigeria, Myanmar, Syria and Sudan. Oh wait a minute, you forgot one salient point - what precious commodities do any of these countries produce?
 
  • #646

'OUR hemisphere': Trump's new message to world​


The Trump administration is doubling down over its claims of hegemony in the "Western Hemisphere", amid ongoing threats to attack or undermine neighbours the US claims to be a threat.

Taking to X earlier this morning, the US State Department posted a black-and-white photo of Donald Trump with the caption: "This is OUR Hemisphere, and President Trump will not allow our security to be threatened".
What is the US government going to do when Canada continues with international trade agreements that are outside of the Western Hemisphere? I'm curious whether the US government has a plan, or whether they are mouthing off claiming to be a boss.

Canada has many international trade agreements. This is one:

"Canadian businesses can get ahead of the global competition by using the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP)—a free trade agreement between Canada and 10 other countries in the Indo-Pacific: Australia, Brunei, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore and Vietnam."

 
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  • #648
dbm.
 
  • #649
Dbm
 
  • #650
  • #651
Wow, I'm really impressed with the Mar A Lago situation room. Hang up a bunch of black cloth to separate you from MAL guests walking around outside.
Marco speaks Spanish...got that going for them.
 
  • #652
Wow, I'm really impressed with the Mar A Lago situation room. Hang up a bunch of black cloth to separate you from MAL guests walking around outside.
Yeah, the so-called tough guys who are just wanna be's. They look ridiculous!

ETA: Now if they only didn't have access to weapons of mass destruction. :rolleyes:
 
  • #653
I know this was 30+ years ago (and I have vague memories of it, I was in elementary school when it happened) but all I can think when I read that article is the absolute horrific environmental effect this and all wars have on this planet. Makes me sick to my stomach that they are doing all of this in an effort to get more oil (and money) and just burning the Earth up. What good does having oil do if the world is desecrated in the process?? All MOO.
apart from the toll of human life, the amount of waste and destruction in wars is breathtaking
 
  • #654
Get your wallets ready...we're paying for it all!
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"Moreover, he said, the U.S. may subsidize an effort by oil companies to rebuild the country's energy infrastructure — a project he said could take less than 18 months.

"I think we can do it in less time than that, but it'll be a lot of money," he said. "A tremendous amount of money will have to be spent and the oil companies will spend it, and then they’ll get reimbursed by us or through revenue."

 
  • #655
Trump is escalating threats against sovereign nations today, again threatening Greenland.

The problem with that is NATO Article 5. The US cannot simultaneously remain a NATO member and attack a NATO member. US withdrawal from NATO places NATO assets in question ... global upheaval and power shift with no guarantee that the US comes out on top.

"Two groups of countries have issued a statement on the kidnapping of Venezuelan President Maduro. Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Mexico, Uruguay, and Spain denounced the US attack as unlawful. A group of 26 EU member states called on Venezuela and the US for calm and restraint.​
...​
President Trump has issued threatening remarks against Venezuelan Vice President Rodriguez. "If she doesn't do the right thing, she'll pay a very high price, probably even higher than Maduro," he said in an interview with The Atlantic magazine ."​


"The president told The Atlantic that [Vice President] Delcy Rodríguez needs to comply with U.S. wishes—or else.​
...​
During our call, Trump, who had just arrived at his golf club in West Palm Beach, was in evident good spirits, and reaffirmed to me that Venezuela may not be the last country subject to American intervention.
We do need Greenland, absolutely,” he said, describing the island—a part of Denmark, a NATO ally—as “surrounded by Russian and Chinese ships.” And in discussing Venezuela’s future, he signaled a clear shift away from his previous distaste for regime change and nation building, rejecting the concerns of many in his MAGA base. “You know, rebuilding there and regime change, anything you want to call it, is better than what you have right now. Can’t get any worse,” he said.​


Based on NATO Article 5 if the US decides to send troops to Greenland what are the ramifications for all of the US military bases in Europe. Currently there are 40 major military bases in Germany, Poland, UK and Italy and hundreds elsewhere across the globe. Currently there are 84000 American troops in Europe, the majority are in Germany. There are two military bases in Denmark. One is in Greenland on the northwest coast and one is in Denmark on the eastern border near Sweden. The one in Greenland is less than 100 km from a Canadian Island which is probably minimally populated. It was the location of a nuclear accident where a B 52 bomber crashed contaminating the island. Host countries can and have expelled US military members from their countries. The US military does not own property on foreign soil. I suppose it's possible to expel US servicemen from Greenland, currently there's about 150 US personnel on the island.
 
  • #656
Democrats spent years howling that Maduro was a ruthless tyrant who had to be delegitimized, pressured, and removed. But the instant President Trump succeeds where they failed, they erupt in furious hypocrisy — prioritizing their unhinged hatred of President Trump over American interests and national security.


Secretary Rubio underscored President Donald J. Trump’s ironclad commitment to preventing the Western Hemisphere from becoming a safe haven for drug traffickers, Iranian proxies, or hostile regimes that endanger our national security — declaring the days of weakness are over and the U.S. will deploy every tool to eradicate these threats from our backyard.

 
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  • #657
Yes, there will always be different opinions. My next door neighbors are from Columbia and they are celebrating the removal of Maduro and that he is being held in the U.S. to face the criminal charges against him.
That's the way it is, though. The biggest majority of people high fiving each other regarding the abduction of Maduro are expats. They haven't lived in the country for years. It's like Cuban expats in the US. If and when the US decides to invade Cuba it'll be the US expats dancing in the streets not in Cuba.
 
  • #658
Democrats spent years howling that Maduro was a ruthless tyrant who had to be delegitimized, pressured, and removed. But the instant President Trump succeeds where they failed, they erupt in furious hypocrisy — prioritizing their unhinged hatred of President Trump over American interests and national security.


Secretary Rubio underscored President Donald J. Trump’s ironclad commitment to preventing the Western Hemisphere from becoming a safe haven for drug traffickers, Iranian proxies, or hostile regimes that endanger our national security — declaring the days of weakness are over and the U.S. will deploy every tool to eradicate these threats from our backyard.

The Democrats voicing their concerns over Maduro is a far cry from bombing a country,killing civilians and kidnapping their President to face US charges, and stealing their oil for good measure. That is a false equivalence argument.
 
  • #659
The Democrats only complained. They did not try to save the USA from drug cartels.

The Democrats did not try to save the Venezuelans from that Dictator.

But here we are in the USA trying to help the world.
President Trump and his administration acted on the good to the entire UNIVERSE including many white light spirits of past lives.
IRAN is corrupt as well as Columbia just 2 examples of where a strong county like the USA can help the citizens there that are under the THUMB of a DICTATOR.

WILL WE ASK FOR SOMETING IN RETURN LIKE OIL?
Of course, because the USA is A HUMANITARIN PROVIDER FOR THE WORLD. WE WILL MAKE THINGS FAIR ON THE GROUND IN SOCIETY FOR ALL.

MAKE LOVE NOT WAR

THAT IS THE GOAL.

STOP BICKERING.
MOO
You and I definitely differ in opinion.
Why isn't the US going into Myanmar?
Why isn't the US going into Nigeria?
Why isn't the US going into North Korea?

They didn't attack Venezuela for humanitarian reasons. And they never said they did. They said they did it for 'drug reasons', specifically the fentanyl crisis in the USA. BUT Venezuela isn't a meaningful conduit for fentanyl that ends up in the US. So they lied.

The US isn't trying to 'help the world'. They are threatening to annex Greenland. They have tried to impose economic hardship on their closest ally, Canada, based on the false threat of fentanyl (of which no meaningful amount comes from Canada). It's all a sham. It's all about resources.

JMO, naturally.
 
  • #660
The Democrats only complained. They did not try to save the USA from drug cartels.

The Democrats did not try to save the Venezuelans from that Dictator.

But here we are in the USA trying to help the world.
President Trump and his administration acted on the good to the entire UNIVERSE including many white light spirits of past lives.
IRAN is corrupt as well as Columbia just 2 examples of where a strong county like the USA can help the citizens there that are under the THUMB of a DICTATOR.

WILL WE ASK FOR SOMETING IN RETURN LIKE OIL?
Of course, because the USA is A HUMANITARIN PROVIDER FOR THE WORLD. WE WILL MAKE THINGS FAIR ON THE GROUND IN SOCIETY FOR ALL.

MAKE LOVE NOT WAR

THAT IS THE GOAL.

STOP BICKERING.
MOO
Oh, and the US Admin recently cancelled funding to US Aid, so I don't believe it's at all about helping humanity.
 

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