Venezuela - President Nicolas Maduro & his wife "captured and flown out of country" by U.S. Army Delta Force during "large scale attack" - Jan 3, 2026

  • #821
I just want to clarify that there is a difference between an arrest and a kidnapping. The award for arrest and indictment are not an invitation for ANYONE to commit illegal war acts.

Having such a reward out for Maduro greatly restricted his movements in any state with an extradition treaty - at many borders, ports, and airports he would be arrested immediately- and that was the point.

The USA is still a country of laws and proper process. But the invasion and kidnapping did not follow laws or proper process.

MOO
 
  • #822
Exactly. To arrest him, not to kidnap him, breaking multiple laws in the process.
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How do you arrest someone that is in another country that has a bounty without going to that country?
When there is a 50 million dollar bounty on an illegal president of said country and you are the president of the usa you sent in the military.

One and done. Jmo
 
  • #823
No matter what Trump does, its going to be wrong, somehow, someway....
In this case and many others that's because he is wrong.
 
  • #824
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How do you arrest someone that is in another country that has a bounty without going to that country?
When there is a 50 million dollar bounty on an illegal president of said country and you are the president of the usa you sent in the military.

One and done. Jmo
You don't.

You simply don't arrest someone in another country even if there is a reward.

For instance, if Venezuela indicts Trump for murder, kidnapping and larceny, and Trump stays in the USA, Venezuela does not get to send paratroopers to Mar a Lago and snatch him up. On the other hand, the could certainly arrest him on their own soil.

What happened to Maduro was not an arrest. If he were detained on our soil, or on the soil of one of our allies with whom we have an extradition treaty, that would be an arrest. The events that occurred were a kidnapping. A violent kidnapping with many unrelated causalities.

MOO
 
  • #825
IANAL. With that clarification, would another course of action have been to run up an indictment? Deliver it to Venezuelan authorities? Ask them to detain him and then begin a legal extradition process?

And if my thoughts are incorrect or wrong, happy to own that. MOO
 
  • #826
I agree.

It defies reason to believe that Venezuelans are content with an illegitimate president, especially when roughly 2,000 people are leaving the country each day. And now there are checkpoints and arrests, and possibly worse for people who support the arrest of their leader. imo

ETA - 23% of the population has fled Venezuela. Wow! Let that sink in!


More than 7.9 million Venezuelans have left the country since 2014. This is the largest exodus in Latin America’s recent history and one of the largest displacement crises in the world (as of December 2025).

Rampant violence, inflation, gang-warfare, soaring crime rates as well as shortages of food, medicine and essential services have forced millions to seek refuge in neighboring countries and beyond. An estimated 2,000 people are leaving Venezuela every day.
Sounds like the USA if we have to continue down the trump destruction and revenge path
 
  • #827
Sounds like the USA if we have to continue down the trump destruction and revenge path
Honestly yeah. The US has already experienced a lot of brain drain and that's not likely to stop any time soon.
 
  • #828
dbm
 
  • #829
Sounds like the USA if we have to continue down the trump destruction and revenge path
Well in the USA we have a legitimately elected president. That was not the case in Venezuela, as most countries around the world recognized.
 
  • #830
Sounds like the USA if we have to continue down the trump destruction and revenge path
Yet the population of the United States continues to grow.
 
  • #831
I just want to clarify that there is a difference between an arrest and a kidnapping. The award for arrest and indictment are not an invitation for ANYONE to commit illegal war acts.

Having such a reward out for Maduro greatly restricted his movements in any state with an extradition treaty - at many borders, ports, and airports he would be arrested immediately- and that was the point.

The USA is still a country of laws and proper process. But the invasion and kidnapping did not follow laws or proper process.

MOO
The USA is not a country of laws and process. It used to be, but it's not even close now.
 
  • #832
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How do you arrest someone that is in another country that has a bounty without going to that country?
When there is a 50 million dollar bounty on an illegal president of said country and you are the president of the usa you sent in the military.

One and done. Jmo
Because that isn't how international law enforcement works. If you want to put somebody on trial who is in another country, you have to get that other country to arrest him, and agree to extradite him to your country. If they refuse to do so, then you just have to accept the fact. What you don't get to do is march into somebody else's country with all guns blazing and take him yourself.

If what happened last Saturday was legitimate, then presumably if Mr Trump was doing something illegal at his Scottish golf resorts and the Scottish courts issued a warrant for his arrest, nobody would have any problem with the British government sending an SAS team to Washington or Mar-a-Lago in order to kidnap him and bring him back to the UK.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander, after all.
 
  • #833
"Trump is demanding that Venezuela’s interim leader “sever” economic relations with China, Russia, Iran and Cuba as a condition for being permitted to increase its oil production, according to US media outlets.

“First, the country must kick out China, Russia, Iran and Cuba and sever economic ties,” sources familiar with the plan said, according to ABC News.

“Second, Venezuela must agree to partner exclusively with the US on oil production and favor America when selling heavy crude oil.” "

 
  • #834
"Venezuela's interior minister Diosdado Cabello said late on Wednesday that 100 people died in the U.S. attack which removed President Nicolas Maduro from power on Saturday.

Caracas have not previously given a number for those killed, but the army posted a list of 23 names of its dead. Venezuelan officials have said a large part of Maduro's security contingent was killed "in cold blood," and Cuba has said 32 members of its military and intelligence services in Venezuela were killed."

 
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  • #837
When there is a 50 million dollar bounty on an illegal president of said country and you are the president of the usa you sent in the military.
Breaking the international laws your country agreed to obey. What Trump did is equal to a sheriff sending his people to drag you out of your home without warrant or probable cause, just because he felt like it. That's inviting anarchy and setting very dangerous precedent.
 
  • #838
"Trump is demanding that Venezuela’s interim leader “sever” economic relations with China, Russia, Iran and Cuba as a condition for being permitted to increase its oil production, according to US media outlets.
That's what we call an occupation, dear children.
 
  • #839
Well here we go, another long-term military action from the peace president

Trump Says U.S. Oversight of Venezuela Could Last for Years

 
  • #840
Oh what a fine mess :rolleyes:
 

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