Verdict: GUILTY for both Millard and Smich of 1st degree murder #2

[MsSherlock]

I happened to have met and talked with DM's blonde haired church lady one of the days I attended the trial. Actually, I was there the first day she showed up, during the pretrial stuff. She came in and sat in front of me- it didn't take DM long to notice her presence and he smiled and waved at her. I was sitting beside one of the reporters who didn't waste anytime snagging her after. The reporter flaked her off as soon as she found out it was a "church lady", leaving me as the Church Lady's sounding board. She told me that she goes to the jail and prays with DM. She was in Court to pray and offer her support to DM. I felt sorry for her- IMHO, she was just another person that DM was so proud of manipulating. I seriously doubt DM really cares about anything the Bible may say, but it sure looks good!!! The good part was that she felt good to be bringing Christ into the courtroom and it gave her a sense of purpose being there to support DM. IMHO, DM isn't the first person Church Lady has come to pray for and offer support to. MOO

 

[hellkat2]

What's obvious now is that the jury never fell for Smich's act (and obvious lies). The moment he said he couldn't remember where he "buried" the gun, he lost all credibility. Zero.

Funny, had he come clean about the gun's whereabouts, his story might just have been believable. Fatal mistake to play stupid on the stand.

Fatal mistake was doing a crime you were not prepared to do the time for. Fatal mistake was murdering Tim Bosma.

 

[CJPRINCESS]

I happened to have met and talked with DM's blonde haired church lady one of the days I attended the trial. Actually, I was there the first day she showed up, during the pretrial stuff. She came in and sat in front of me- it didn't take DM long to notice her presence and he smiled and waved at her. I was sitting beside one of the reporters who didn't waste anytime snagging her after. The reporter flaked her off as soon as she found out it was a "church lady", leaving me as the Church Lady's sounding board. She told me that she goes to the jail and prays with DM. She was in Court to pray and offer her support to DM. I felt sorry for her- IMHO, she was just another person that DM was so proud of manipulating. I seriously doubt DM really cares about anything the Bible may say, but it sure looks good!!! The good part was that she felt good to be bringing Christ into the courtroom and it gave her a sense of purpose being there to support DM. IMHO, DM isn't the first person Church Lady has come to pray for and offer support to. MOO

This makes sense, thank you

So this must be why DM wanted to bring a bible into the courtroom with him instead of the "serial killer" material he was reported to seen with.

 

[Sillybilly]

Other than MsSherlock relating her encounter with the lady in court, please discontinue any attempt to determine who she might be. Discussion in that regard constitutes sleuthing of innocent persons (which we don't do).

:tyou:

 

[lauriej]

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC [video=twitter;744224334508662784]https://twitter.com/AdamCarterCBC/status/744224334508662784[/video] Sharlene #Bosma preparing for a one on one with @CBCNews. Watch for it on @CBCHamilton today. #hamont #TimBosma #sc


--she looks wonderful here, the weight of the trial off of her shoulders at last..

 

[Tealgrove]

IIRC, DM is planning on representing himself in LB trial, and he has elected to be tried by judge, not jury (unless I am mistaken).

Obviously, this was his strategy before his guilty verdict. Now that he's been found guilty, do you think he'd prefer trial by jury in LB trial? Can it even be changed?

Hard to imagine any judge in LB trial not being influenced in large part by the evidence presented in Tim Bosma trial.

BBM

So I wonder how this will work. If DM wants to be tried by a Judge not Jury and his co-accused wants to be tried by a Jury, what would they do? Would they have to have two different trials?

I haven't heard that he wanted to be tried by a Judge and not a jury. I know CN has chosen a Judge over a jury.

 

[Tealgrove]

I signed off last night and said I would see everyone in November but....I'M STILL HERE! How come I'm not surprised?!

I actually do wonder what Rabbit is up to these days. For someone who appeared to be prepared to "assist" her son in times of trouble, i.e., delivering letters, arranging phone calls with CN and helping to wipe down the trailer in her driveway, I have to admit that I am shocked that she never once showed her face in court to support her son.

MS's, mother and sister showed up when he testified and his sister was there for the verdict, but no MB. I just would love to know why.

 

[SnooperDuper]

BBM

So I wonder how this will work. If DM wants to be tried by a Judge not Jury and his co-accused wants to be tried by a Jury, what would they do? Would they have to have two different trials?

I haven't heard that he wanted to be tried by a Judge and not a jury. I know CN has chosen a Judge over a jury.

My understanding is that first degree murder trials have to have a jury and cannot be decided by judge alone.

 

[THXGuru]

What's obvious now is that the jury never fell for Smich's act (and obvious lies). The moment he said he couldn't remember where he "buried" the gun, he lost all credibility. Zero.

Funny, had he come clean about the gun's whereabouts, his story might just have been believable. Fatal mistake to play stupid on the stand.

Mark Smichs testimony was never credible in any way. None of the MS/DM witnesses were credible. They all lied Multiple times to police and all had self interests.

 

[ABro]

Mark Smichs testimony was never credible in any way. None of the MS/DM witnesses were credible. They all lied Multiple times to police and all had self interests.

I see this comment a lot and I think it's a real over-simplification. First of all, the police and criminal courts deal with liars all the time. People who are in trouble often lie to police. That's how it works. It doesn't mean nothing they ever say afterwards is the truth. Haven't we all lied? Does that mean we can never again be trusted?

I think there were a lot of differences between the friends. IMO MM's, AM's and BD's lies/omissions to police were what you might expect given their level of involvement. This is not say I think this was acceptable. It just means that I think in spite of their initial lies, to me, they were all very credible witnesses.

MH behaved much worse, lying to police on four separate occasions yet I still believed most of his testimony.

SS and CN were in a whole other category.

 

[SnooperDuper]

SS and CN were in a whole other category.

SS and CN were in too deep to tell the truth, IMO.

I wonder if SS will be charged for his involvements in the thefts in the future.

 

[Mscree]

SS and CN were in too deep to tell the truth, IMO.

I wonder if SS will be charged for his involvements in the thefts in the future.

I wondered especially after what was omitted from testimony, but then I think no, they worse off people are aware of what a lying, spineless, piece of poop you are is worse

 

[THXGuru]

I see this comment a lot and I think it's a real over-simplification. First of all, the police and criminal courts deal with liars all the time. People who are in trouble often lie to police. That's how it works. It doesn't mean nothing they ever say afterwards is the truth. Haven't we all lied? Does that mean we can never again be trusted?

I think there were a lot of differences between the friends. IMO MM's, AM's and BD's lies/omissions to police were what you might expect given their level of involvement. This is not say I think this was acceptable. It just means that I think in spite of their initial lies, to me, they were all very credible witnesses.

MH behaved much worse, lying to police on four separate occasions yet I still believed most of his testimony.

SS and CN were in a whole other category.

All fair points. But a credible witness is more important than one that is not. The MS should be totally rejected. I had said that for a long time.

 

[canadiangirl]

In some ways I've always felt this was the Dellen Millard show. Even on websleuths it was "Dellen Millard on trial for the death of" ..... Facebook. "Dellen Millard discuss the case" ...
Headlines.. Dellen Millard murder. Dellen Millard privileged life. Dellen Millard.. Murder of LB. Dellen Millard, ran nighttime missions. And so on and so on... AC wrote his "Wayward Son" piece about him. (great read btw).

Both the media and crown's witnesses heavily focused on Dellen Millard. MH. AM. SS. CN. AJ.

Many many people have commented how manipulative the guy is. The tangled web he weaved. He dragged in the likes of his uncle, his gf, and even his own mother to clean up/cover up his mess.

I'm not surprised at all that Smich will appeal. It also wouldn't surprise me if he won. MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

I'm not surprised at all that Smich will appeal. It also wouldn't surprise me if he won. MOO

Susan ClairmontVerified account ‏@susanclairmont Jun 17
I have never known a first degree murder conviction not to be appealed.

I think MS's appeal will be denied because he has no grounds.

 

[canadiangirl]

Question for those that attended court for the verdict, is this accurate? First time I recall hearing this.

Millard appeared to be smiling as the verdict was read. Smich was stone faced.
Millard declined to comment during the sentencing, while Smich indicated he will appeal.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada/smich-millard-get-life-in-prison-for-bosma-murder-1.2949708

 

[canadiangirl]

Susan ClairmontVerified account ‏@susanclairmont Jun 17
I have never known a first degree murder conviction not to be appealed.

I think MS's appeal will be denied because he has no grounds.

Luka Magnotta withdrew his.

 

[matou]

Sharlene Bosma interview: On the trial and telling her daughter why daddy can't come back

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/sharlene-bosma-post-verdict-1.3642213

 

[SnooperDuper]

Question for those that attended court for the verdict, is this accurate? First time I recall hearing this.

Millard appeared to be smiling as the verdict was read. Smich was stone faced.
Millard declined to comment during the sentencing, while Smich indicated he will appeal.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada/smich-millard-get-life-in-prison-for-bosma-murder-1.2949708

I heard when the verdict was read that both were stone faced; DM scrunched up his eyes for a moment after the verdict.

They both declined to comment after sentencing. TD said MS will appeal.

When he heard the verdict, Millard, standing in box, closed his eyes tightly for a few seconds and then returned to emotionless state.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...-mark-smich-guilty-of-the-murder-of-tim-bosma

Cristina Tenaglia @cristina_CP24
Millard was not smiling after verdict and was touching his eyes they way you would if you had a headache. #Bosma

 

[THXGuru]

I see this comment a lot and I think it's a real over-simplification. First of all, the police and criminal courts deal with liars all the time. People who are in trouble often lie to police. That's how it works. It doesn't mean nothing they ever say afterwards is the truth. Haven't we all lied? Does that mean we can never again be trusted?

I think there were a lot of differences between the friends. IMO MM's, AM's and BD's lies/omissions to police were what you might expect given their level of involvement. This is not say I think this was acceptable. It just means that I think in spite of their initial lies, to me, they were all very credible witnesses.

MH behaved much worse, lying to police on four separate occasions yet I still believed most of his testimony.

SS and CN were in a whole other category.

Susan ClairmontVerified account ‏@susanclairmont Jun 17
I have never known a first degree murder conviction not to be appealed.

I think MS's appeal will be denied because he has no grounds.

A MS appeal will be denied for sure.