Verdict: GUILTY for both Millard and Smich of 1st degree murder #2

[andreww]

On 'MY' phone.. if someone texts me.. I can save it on 'MY' phone for however long I wish, even if the sender of that text cuts up his own sim card, runs over his own phone, etc. They found SS's texts TO DM, on DM's phone, even though SS had purchased a new phone.

Exactly. The texts will reside on both phones. If using Apple's iMessage, those texts would also reside on their iPads or MacBooks, if they own them.

 

[SnooperDuper]

When you delete a message it is not actually deleted. Your device simply marks the space on the drive as available. So until your device decides to write over that portion of the drive, your deleted message will remain there. Also, these guys backed up their devices to various computers. So even if they deleted every text message, their backups would have a complete record of them.

I'm really expecting that there were a lot of text messages over LB between DM and MS because they allegedly did that one together. If the LB text messages are as incriminating as the TB messages were, that case is a slam dunk.

I wonder if there will be text messages about WM? Somehow I doubt DM casually shared the fact that he'd killed his father, but given the relationship between MS and DM, you never know.

 

[deugirtni]

Doesn't it make sense now when he references Star Wars in his letter to Noudga? "Help me Rubikinks, you're my only hope?" JMO

Could the 8 inch braid have been an indication of how long it had been since he had received anything back from CN?

 

[deugirtni]

Feb 29th, text MS to DM- "We need a proper plan though, so lets work on that. We can't make any mistakes."

March 11th- MS takes a pic of him and his (?) Gun

March 14th texts
DM to MS- "I love u my kneegrow."
MS to DM- "I love you a whole lot like large. Big huge monstrously massive ... You're really the brother I never had."

Last time I went through these texts on billandrews timeline, I was in the boat of MS not having his own guns. After reading these just now as I'm looking for the Woodbridge texts, I'm seeing what I hadn't before.

Sounds like DM bought MS a gun and that's what all the "I love you" are all about.

Are you able to post all the corresponding texts together, along with mention of photo texts.. so that we can see them in the same context you are seeing? TY!

 

[SnooperDuper]

Could the 8 inch braid have been an indication of how long it had been since he had received anything back from CN?

No, I think he was expressing his bond with her, manipulating her to support him (though he didn't have to try too hard; she bought right in).

DM and CN are still on the same page, IMO.

 

[cyber_sleuth]

One text on April 27, 2013 still confuses me and I was surprised it didn't get more attention during the trial. DM texted SS: "check that ether in front end loader is in good supply." This was during the volley of texts where DM was looking for the generator for the BBQ. I believe this came up briefly on day 28 during SS testimony. A front end loader would sure be useful for lifting body into the Eliminator, especially considering MS has history of shoulder dislocations. I'm just not sure what role ether is needed for front end loader. Any thoughts?

 

[Mscree]

http://news.nationalpost.com/toront...-accused-of-selling-him-alleged-murder-weapon

If a gun is used in a suicide, and the gun is a black market gun and not licensed to the suicide victim, then I would sure hope the police would confiscate it, and being a black market gun, I would doubt if it would ever be returned. But if the police had looked into this at the time of WM's 'suicide', then it surely would have raised questions in regard to whether it was in fact a suicide, but yet this doesn't seem to have been an issue (otherwise, why release the body for cremation?) until DM's arrest in the TB murder, when they started looking into everything about him. moo

Thanks I'm not sure I remember seeing the post about MWJ selling him the gun, or I had forgotten it. Still makes me wonder if it was a black market gun why didn't it raise an red flags with the police? Maybe they just thought it belonged to WM since him being a pilot maybe they thought he got it somewhere on his travels. Still makes you wonder how this could go undetected

 

[billandrew]

Someone asked about the mistrial application being still under a publication ban.

The first came three weeks in, and was a joint application between lawyers representing Millard and Smich. The details of the application are under an extended publication ban, and cannot be reported.

In the end, Goodman denied it.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/tim-bosma-trial-what-the-jury-didnt-hear-1.3631268

Susan Clairmont's article provided the date of Millard's mistrial application, February 22, which was the same day the witness Tim Cook said, "It looks like [the incinerator] has been used more than once." Pillay objected to that comment and the jury was sent home for the rest of that day, with legal arguments continuing the following morning. When the jury was brought back in the next day, the judge advised them to disregard Tim Cook's "improper opinion". I'm guessing that the witness's speculative comment was the source of the mistrial application.

 

[billandrew]

One text on April 27, 2013 still confuses me and I was surprised it didn't get more attention during the trial. DM texted SS: "check that ether in front end loader is in good supply." This was during the volley of texts where DM was looking for the generator for the BBQ. I believe this came up briefly on day 28 during SS testimony. A front end loader would sure be useful for lifting body into the Eliminator, especially considering MS has history of shoulder dislocations. I'm just not sure what role ether is needed for front end loader. Any thoughts?

I believe it's used to start the engine. It is entirely possible that he wanted the loader available to lift a body. After all, he didn't know exactly who his murder victim would be, or what they would weigh. TB was relatively light at 170 lbs, whereas someone like Igor would likely have been over 200 lbs. It makes sense that he'd want the front end loader available just in case. But who knows, he may have had a completely innocent purpose for it, too.

 

[Georgeo]

At some point doesn't one just have to accept the jury disagrees with your thoughts and quit trying to find reasons why they were wrong and the other opinion was right.

Yes, one needs to admit defeat and the jury obviously was privy to more data then we were, and have done their job, and all 12 of them agreed. Period, end of discussion.

 

[andreww]

Susan Clairmont's article provided the date of Millard's mistrial application, February 22, which was the same day the witness Tim Cook said, "It looks like [the incinerator] has been used more than once." Pillay objected to that comment and the jury was sent home for the rest of that day, with legal arguments continuing the following morning. When the jury was brought back in the next day, the judge advised them to disregard Tim Cook's "improper opinion". I'm guessing that the witness's speculative comment was the source of the mistrial application.

Seriously? We already had testimony that SS did a test burn, and it wasn't argued that the incinerator was used to dispose of TB. Thats twice that its been used that we know about, so obviously Cook's statement was correct and was supported by evidence. I don't see a problem.

 

[andreww]

I'm really expecting that there were a lot of text messages over LB between DM and MS because they allegedly did that one together. If the LB text messages are as incriminating as the TB messages were, that case is a slam dunk.

I wonder if there will be text messages about WM? Somehow I doubt DM casually shared the fact that he'd killed his father, but given the relationship between MS and DM, you never know.

The problem is that if they deleted those texts after LB's murder, the likelihood of them being destroyed is far greater because the device has had a longer period to overwrite those spaces. Hopefully everything was deleted at the same time, when they started to feel the heat after TBs murder.

 

[Webulls]

What a beautiful day this morning. Sun is out, birds are chirping, and there's a cool breeze.

And what makes it even sweeter is knowing DM and MS are locked up in hell, forever denied freedom. I am just trying to imagine the impotent rage that is setting into their brains now. I hope they are terrified.

 

[XiolaBlueX]

Yes, one needs to admit defeat and the jury obviously was privy to more data then we were, and have done their job, and all 12 of them agreed. Period, end of discussion.

Respectfully, I'm not sure what is meant by this.
1) I don't think this is about admitting 'defeat' or presumably its flip side 'victory'. People are just sharing thoughts and discussions.

2) IMO most of the purpose of this forum would be for discussion, Respectfully, why bother being logged on here in a discussion forum just to say it is over, end of discussion; suggesting the rest of us shouldn't be discussing the trial or the verdict?

 

[billandrew]

I'm really expecting that there were a lot of text messages over LB between DM and MS because they allegedly did that one together. If the LB text messages are as incriminating as the TB messages were, that case is a slam dunk.

I wonder if there will be text messages about WM? Somehow I doubt DM casually shared the fact that he'd killed his father, but given the relationship between MS and DM, you never know.

There is a mysterious hole in the text messages between DM and MS from June 9 to August 20, 2012. I suspect that many messages in this time frame relate to LB and were therefore inadmissible in the Bosma trial and are subject to publication ban. I also suspect that police were able to recover these messages and that's how they were able to charge DM and MS with first degree murder in LB's death.

As the evidence comes out in the upcoming trials, my plan is to add it all to the Bosma timeline to create a single chronology of all three murders.

 

[XiolaBlueX]

There is a mysterious hole in the text messages between DM and MS from June 9 to August 20, 2012. I suspect that many messages in this time frame relate to LB and were therefore inadmissible in the Bosma trial and are subject to publication ban. I also suspect that police were able to recover these messages and that's how they were able to charge DM and MS with first degree murder in LB's death.

As the evidence comes out in the upcoming trials, my plan is to add it all to the Bosma timeline to create a single chronology of all three murders.

I agree 100%, there must be some pretty incriminating texts/interactions (for LB) that were uncovered during TB investigation.

I am trying very hard to find a copy of the list (called 'bright ideas' IIRC) CN wrote that was recovered by LE in her room. Anybody know where it is? I've successfully found summaries of what's on it by MSM. I'm looking for the actual image I've seen of CNs handwritten list mentioning LB on it with a comment beside it ( amongst other listed items)

I've been thinking a lot of how evidentially CN and LB overlapped in 'dating' or being intimate with DM according to timelines I've read. (With CN dating DM since 2011 approx, LB and DM being intimate in first half of 2012.) as well as CN and LB knowing each other. Thx!

 

[Bob69]

One text on April 27, 2013 still confuses me and I was surprised it didn't get more attention during the trial. DM texted SS: "check that ether in front end loader is in good supply." This was during the volley of texts where DM was looking for the generator for the BBQ. I believe this came up briefly on day 28 during SS testimony. A front end loader would sure be useful for lifting body into the Eliminator, especially considering MS has history of shoulder dislocations. I'm just not sure what role ether is needed for front end loader. Any thoughts?

Ether is used to help start diesel engines specially when the temps are below about 10 degrees. He would have likely needed to use ether to start it at night in early may. I suspect the bobcat was used to load the incinerator or to move the incinerator in and out of the barn. Certainly easier that manoeuvring the truck in the barn.

 

[canadiangirl]

I agree 100%, there must be some pretty incriminating texts/interactions (for LB) that were uncovered during TB investigation.

I am trying very hard to find a copy of the list (called 'bright ideas' IIRC) CN wrote that was recovered by LE in her room. Anybody know where it is? I've successfully found summaries of what's on it by MSM. I'm looking for the actual image I've seen of CNs handwritten list mentioning LB on it with a comment beside it ( amongst other listed items)

I've been thinking a lot of how evidentially CN and LB overlapped in 'dating' or being intimate with DM according to timelines I've read. (With CN dating DM since 2011 approx, LB and DM being intimate in first half of 2012.) as well as CN and LB knowing each other. Thx!

I can't put my finger on it from my phone however was it on the scribd site where all the letters were published?
LB knew others in that crew. AM for sure.

 

[CJPRINCESS]

Are you able to post all the corresponding texts together, along with mention of photo texts.. so that we can see them in the same context you are seeing? TY!

They are on billandrews timeline. I copied them as I see them.

 

[littlesauce]

There is a mysterious hole in the text messages between DM and MS from June 9 to August 20, 2012. I suspect that many messages in this time frame relate to LB and were therefore inadmissible in the Bosma trial and are subject to publication ban. I also suspect that police were able to recover these messages and that's how they were able to charge DM and MS with first degree murder in LB's death.

As the evidence comes out in the upcoming trials, my plan is to add it all to the Bosma timeline to create a single chronology of all three murders.

I cannot wait for the texts to be released for that period of time. Thank you ever so much for your hard work in creating the timeline! It really helps put things into perspective. :loveyou: