Verdict: GUILTY for both Millard and Smich of 1st degree murder #2

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  • #601
I agree 100%, there must be some pretty incriminating texts/interactions (for LB) that were uncovered during TB investigation.

I am trying very hard to find a copy of the list (called 'bright ideas' IIRC) CN wrote that was recovered by LE in her room. Anybody know where it is? I've successfully found summaries of what's on it by MSM. I'm looking for the actual image I've seen of CNs handwritten list mentioning LB on it with a comment beside it ( amongst other listed items)

I've been thinking a lot of how evidentially CN and LB overlapped in 'dating' or being intimate with DM according to timelines I've read. (With CN dating DM since 2011 approx, LB and DM being intimate in first half of 2012.) as well as CN and LB knowing each other. Thx!
Keep in mind CN has not been charged with anything regarding LB.

Complete speculation but the LB DM relationship was either along the lines of LW2 or something worse than may have been happening to LB to get her drugs.
 
  • #602
I agree 100%, there must be some pretty incriminating texts/interactions (for LB) that were uncovered during TB investigation.

I am trying very hard to find a copy of the list (called 'bright ideas' IIRC) CN wrote that was recovered by LE in her room. Anybody know where it is? I've successfully found summaries of what's on it by MSM. I'm looking for the actual image I've seen of CNs handwritten list mentioning LB on it with a comment beside it ( amongst other listed items)

I've been thinking a lot of how evidentially CN and LB overlapped in 'dating' or being intimate with DM according to timelines I've read. (With CN dating DM since 2011 approx, LB and DM being intimate in first half of 2012.) as well as CN and LB knowing each other. Thx!

Could be wrong, but I don't remember CN's "bright ideas" list (or any of her writings) ever being released to the public as an exhibit. I went through all of DM's letters to CN, and her list is not a part of that. Was it released separately? I only remember items from her writings being spoken about during her testimony.

I know by your posts that you attended court, so perhaps you saw CN's lists on the screen in the courtroom? [emoji848] Just a thought.

If it was released to the public, please share a link. Thank you.

MOO

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  • #603
First post here, but I've been lurking for quite a while. Apologies if this has already been discussed, but can someone remind me what reasons were suggested in court regarding why they moved the incinerator from the farm to the hangar, and then back again? Seems unnecessarily complicated and risky to haul it all the way to Waterloo with a dead body inside and a bloody truck. Why didn't they just use it at the farm, especially if this was all planned in advance? Did it need electricity at the hangar or something?
 
  • #604
First post here, but I've been lurking for quite a while. Apologies if this has already been discussed, but can someone remind me what reasons were suggested in court regarding why they moved the incinerator from the farm to the hangar, and then back again? Seems unnecessarily complicated and risky to haul it all the way to Waterloo with a dead body inside and a bloody truck. Why didn't they just use it at the farm, especially if this was all planned in advance? Did it need electricity at the hangar or something?

Welcome and thank you for posting! There has been some speculation about this on the threads. Electricity was needed for the operation of the Eliminator, but there was a generator at the farm, therefore that more than likely was their initial plan. Shortly before May 6, 2013, there were text messages regarding where the generator was, i.e. making sure it was at the farm rather than the hangar.

Some have speculated that perhaps something went wrong when trying to connect or use the generator, so they decided to go to the hangar instead. This is only one supposition/possibility that comes to mind. I am sure other WSers will explain other possibilities to you.

MOO


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  • #605
First post here, but I've been lurking for quite a while. Apologies if this has already been discussed, but can someone remind me what reasons were suggested in court regarding why they moved the incinerator from the farm to the hangar, and then back again? Seems unnecessarily complicated and risky to haul it all the way to Waterloo with a dead body inside and a bloody truck. Why didn't they just use it at the farm, especially if this was all planned in advance? Did it need electricity at the hangar or something?
Hello and welcome! It was speculated that it was moved to the hanger because there was no running water at the farm. They cleaned the truck while they lit the incinerator. And yes that monster did need hydro for the fans to run. Though there was a generator that was discussed between DM and SS.
 
  • #606
Oops sorry see Mrs T. Answered for you
 
  • #607
Asked this question before the last thread closed, but why DNA samples ordered now? Anybody ?
 
  • #608
Oops sorry see Mrs T. Answered for you
Interesting.. Thank you both. I thought I'd heard about a generator at the farm which is why this confused me, but these speculations make about as much sense as anything else in this case...



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  • #609
Oops sorry see Mrs T. Answered for you

LOL ... Not an Oops at all. The running water even makes more sense!!


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  • #610
Asked this question before the last thread closed, but why DNA samples ordered now? Anybody ?

I would think that because they are now convicted murderers, their DNA can 'legally' be compared to previous crimes/unsolved cases. Don't think it could legally be done until after a conviction, but I could be wrong
 
  • #611
Asked this question before the last thread closed, but why DNA samples ordered now? Anybody ?

I could be wrong, but I believe this is normal procedure whenever accused are found guilty in a criminal trial. DNA samples are taken so that they can be added to our national (and I believe it is also shared by the FBI) DNA database, so that it can be compared against DNA samples from unsolved crimes.

MOO


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  • #612
When this case broke in the news, DM and TB both had entries in Wikipedia.

The entries were taken down because DM was not convicted at that time and so did not meet Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion (now he does). TB was not notorious in any way other than being a victim, so he did not qualify for an entry.

The only entry related to the case now is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Tim_Bosma
 
  • #613
When this case broke in the news, DM and TB both had entries in Wikipedia.

The entries were taken down because DM was not convicted at that time and so did not meet Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion (now he does). TB was not notorious in any way other than being a victim, so he did not qualify for an entry.

The only entry related to the case now is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Tim_Bosma

From the site....

The Murder of Tim Bosma shocked Canada. The heir of a Canadian former airline and aviation company was convicted of murdering a man specifically for his Dodge 3500 truck then cremated the body.

That's what I would call a "stub".....grammar aside, considering the amount of info on this case, I find it extremely....limited? not the right word.........MOO
 
  • #614
From the site....

The Murder of Tim Bosma shocked Canada. The heir of a Canadian former airline and aviation company was convicted of murdering a man specifically for his Dodge 3500 truck then cremated the body.

That's what I would call a "stub".....grammar aside, considering the amount of info on this case, I find it extremely....limited? not the right word.........MOO

The stub is new as of yesterday.

I wanted to alert WSers that the story hasn't been told...yet.
 
  • #615
Susan ClairmontVerified account ‏@susanclairmont 5 Oct 2015
Millard is now here, sporting his long thin braid behind one ear. Hair otherwise short. Looks like we'll start soon.

It was also described in MSM and discussed at length here. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Padawan_braid

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Anakin Skywalker

I was hospitalized at that time which is why I never heard about the braid.

What an idiot DM is. Was he thinking he was Anakin Skywalker at the time?
 
  • #616
I was hospitalized at that time which is why I never heard about the braid.

What an idiot DM is. Was he thinking he was Anakin Skywalker at the time?

Apparently.
 
  • #617
I've been asking that myself. It would be interesting to see a little more then those few minutes when he asked for a lawyer. I believe the interrogation would have lasted quite some time and video evidence of MS suffering from Crack withdrawal would definitely prove NS's claim that MS was a Crack Addict/Dealer. It's interesting to see how he came from a small time cigarette peddler at high school at the beginning of the trial to todays main focus, his big time Crack dealings and addiction. I would also love to see/hear AM's, SS's & MH's interviews and just how much and what was changed and possibly what lies had been told. Also DM, we have the letters to see how he was pondering his defence but exactly what was his angle at the onset. Could he also have asked for a lawyer as well??

It has never been brought into evidence that MS was a crack dealer in any shape or form, nor that he was a crack addict. That notion was introduced solely by DM's defence during a voir dire when AM was being questioned regarding his knowledge of other 'thievery'. It was brought up out of the blue and was denied.

I assume that since MSM has now released that tidbit, that this is no longer under a publication ban. This happened after AM was cross examined by TD during AM's testimony. DM's defence had an issue with TD's line of questioning (asking about other thefts that AM was aware of), and the jury was excused for legal arguments. RP expressed his concerns, the jury was called back and was told by the judge to disregard TD's last question of whether AM knew of any other thievery; then the jury was excused for the day and AM was immediately sworn in (again, as he had already been sworn in as a witness) on a voir dire. TD questioned AM on his knowledge of 'other' thievery. AM wasn't forthcoming by any means, and TD had to remind him of several things that he did in fact know about, as seen from various texts, at which time AM would finally admit that yes, he did know about other thefts (such as the $3 DVD).

Then NS started questioning AM. Keep in mind that this was a voir dire to determine (under oath) what AM's knowledge of other thievery was. NS said he wasn't interested in the bobcat theft, but immediately took the opportunity to start in on a completely different subject, saying to AM:
NS: You knew that DM did drugs, and that MS did drugs. AM: yes.
NS: MS sold drugs. AM: yes.
NS: MS sold crack. AM: NO.

Judge admonished NS, saying they're not talking about drugs, this voir dire is about thievery.

Imo, it was just something that NS tried to slip in out of nowhere without any evidence whatsoever, it was denied, NS got admonished for doing so, and now, after the verdicts, this comes out in the press and people are left with the impression that it was a dark secret that everyone knows about but which was held back from the jury. No, it wasn't. It was merely a question asked (or a statement made) by NS, to which his reply was a vehement NO. These comments are from my own notes, having been present and taking notes that day.

The antics would almost be humorous if it weren't for how they end up getting reported in the press and the impressions it obviously leaves with readers, as seen here (example above, portion bolded by me) where we now have people stating that MS was addicted to crack and that he was a crack dealer as if it is fact. An entire story is concocted just because of a 'question' that a defence lawyer 'asked'.

It is scary, imo to think that even though told to disregard whatever a lawyer says as not being evidence, it can potentially be concocted into meaningful evidence in the ears of whoever hears it, and then repeated and embellished until it becomes a truth amongst many. moo
 
  • #618
Hello and welcome! It was speculated that it was moved to the hanger because there was no running water at the farm. They cleaned the truck while they lit the incinerator. And yes that monster did need hydro for the fans to run. Though there was a generator that was discussed between DM and SS.

I would think a farm would have running water. DM had no livestock but the barn would certainly have running water in it for any livestock kept there. Every barn that I have ever been in has had running water . My guess is the barn was too close to the road for them to be comfortable enough to start up the incinerator as well as no hydro there.
 
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First post here, but I've been lurking for quite a while. Apologies if this has already been discussed, but can someone remind me what reasons were suggested in court regarding why they moved the incinerator from the farm to the hangar, and then back again? Seems unnecessarily complicated and risky to haul it all the way to Waterloo with a dead body inside and a bloody truck. Why didn't they just use it at the farm, especially if this was all planned in advance? Did it need electricity at the hangar or something?

I think its pretty evident that there was a lot more blood than they expected. Perhaps WM and LB left very little mess. The plan was to shoot TB and incinerate him at the farm, but obviously the mess would need to be cleaned up before SS could start working on it. So the plan changed to doing it at the hangar. The approximately four hours it would take to incinerate would be time well spent mopping up blood. The fact that they texted all MA employees and told them to take the day off only enforces the idea that things didn't go exactly as planned.
 
  • #620
Sorry is this was already posted.

Someone tweeted a question to Susan Clairmont today: "When will the publication ban be lifted?"

Susan tweeted after the Laura Babcock trial.


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