Verdict: GUILTY for both Millard and Smich of 1st degree murder #2

[deugirtni]

So according to the law we are supposed to give benefit to every doubt, even when there seems to be many in numbers that all lead to questionable meanings? It seems reasonable that MS testimony would be geared to the evidence, but the numbers of everything seems to lead to a reasonable conclusion of more than mischievous involvement. It doesn't seem reasonable to swing so much in favor of other plausible meanings. no? .imo

Funny.. the interpretations that CAN be read into things. Happened to me last evening. Someone at my house had 2 people upstairs.. he came downstairs, fetched 2 plates (because that is all that he could carry at one time without risk of accident), each plate with 2 items on it... when he arrived upstairs, I overheard one of the people upstairs say to him, 'why are there only 2?'... I was somewhat annoyed because these 2 people upstairs were unexpected, last-minute guests, and on top of that, the person who said it, is notorious for wasting stuff, so I was thinking to myself, why would she want more than 2 anyway, and I can't pull more of them out of my somewhere without more notice, so sorry, that's all I could come up with on short notice.

In the end, all 3 of those people ended up leaving a bit on their plates, so it was like 2 items were plenty for them afterall, as I would have expected. So this morning, I ask the question.. why did the guest want more than 2 when she couldn't even finish the 2 that she had? He said, 'what???'.. I reminded him of the question asked, 'why are there only two?'.. he said, 'oh, she meant, why are there only two PLATES', meaning why are there 2 plates when there are 3 people. (He had to make a second trip for the third plate, but the question was asked on the first trip).

I felt like a complete dumb@$$ because I had yelled up the stairs, 'sorry, that's all there is'. I had completely 'assumed' the person meant, 'why are there only 2 items on each plate, because I want more than that'. I would have sworn on a bible that that's what had been meant, it wouldn't have even occurred to me that she was talking plates, and not servings.

For me, many of those texts being given in little dribs and drabs without any real context, and dates that span up to a year before the event, and people's interpretations of them.. are not written in stone as to their real meanings. It's so easy to jump to seemingly obvious conclusions, but they could mean something totally different.. all of them, some of them, or none of them. Can we assume we know everything, even without seeing the various 'text exhibits', just based on scattered tweets?

 

[Typhoo1961]

I am leaping at the assumption that your dear hubby was just kidding around, right? (hoping!).. but can you imagine if a year after that happened, he was accused of murdering someone.. how that 'joke' would go over then?

It wasn't a joke. He was drunk and extremely abusive mentally and physically. That is why he is an ex-husband now. The day my divorce came through was the happiest day of my life.

 

[deugirtni]

I don't think this will help their stay.

"17. Millard and Smich were fond of each other.The jury knows they spent lots of time together and texted constantly.
But the jury didn't see one particular text from Smich to Millard that said: "I love you baby."
Smich's lawyers asked to exclude that text out of concern for "the suggestion of an intimate relationship between these two men and the danger that could pose in the jail system if either or both of them is convicted."

BBM

http://www.cambridgetimes.ca/news-s...by-20-more-things-the-bosma-jury-was-never-t/

MOO

I have to admit that when I saw that, and considering that 'baby' is what MS and MM called each other, I thought that MS had sent it to DM in error, when it was supposed to have gone to MM. I wonder if any other texts were left out which would give it context. I think we are now seeing it as a one-liner out of the blue.. but we have also been informed that many texts and communications are left out because they're deemed to not be important. I would love to see *all* of the corresponding texts to get context. Perhaps the two of them had a big laugh about that afterward. We will never know.

 

[deugirtni]

It wasn't a joke. He was drunk and extremely abusive mentally and physically. That is why he is an ex-husband now. The day my divorce came through was the happiest day of my life.

OMG, glad you are gone from that!

 

[mimimic]

Very interesting indeed. It has been said that MWJ, being who he is, would *never* rat anyone out due to knowing what the consequences would be for himself within a prison setting, and the just the basic code amongst criminals that ratting out is simply not done. But yet at a later court hearing for MWJ, a pile of charges were dropped against him for seemingly no obvious reason.

I can't seem to locate any MSM articles to verify, however this reporter's website has been acceptable in the past (BBM). If one were to speculate, it may not be a reach to think the charges against MWJ for selling WM's murder weapon to DM, the additional charges laid against DM, MS, and CN, and the dropping of many outstanding charges against MWJ in unrelated cases, are related, imho.:



http://news.nationalpost.com/toront...-accused-of-selling-him-alleged-murder-weapon

Help me out here, do you mean that it could possibly be dropped with a promise to be witness with some type of info in the upcoming cases? Or even if you meant for TB's case what type of info could have come from iisho to even consider dropping such a long list of charges? If that's how that happens.

 

[Typhoo1961]

OMG, glad you are gone from that!

So am I.

 

[Oreck]

Just think.
20 years ago they would have walked.
It is only because of man's newest toy, the cell phone, that they were even suspect.

 

[Alethea Dice]

I have to admit that when I saw that, and considering that 'baby' is what MS and MM called each other, I thought that MS had sent it to DM in error, when it was supposed to have gone to MM. I wonder if any other texts were left out which would give it context. I think we are now seeing it as a one-liner out of the blue.. but we have also been informed that many texts and communications are left out because they're deemed to not be important. I would love to see *all* of the corresponding texts to get context. Perhaps the two of them had a big laugh about that afterward. We will never know.

That seemed like the most logical conclusion for me as well. Maybe not as sensationalistic, but more realistic.

 

[juridicus]

Just think.
20 years ago they would have walked.
It is only because of man's newest toy, the cell phone, that they were even suspect.

That and the ambition tattoo.. Yep, if he'd worn long sleeves and had no cellphone, who knows whether they'd have ever been suspects. I doubt Jennings would've called the cops himself in the end.


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[Alethea Dice]

Help me out here, do you mean that it could possibly be dropped with a promise to be witness with some type of info in the upcoming cases? Or even if you meant for TB's case what type of info could have come from iisho to even consider dropping such a long list of charges? If that's how that happens.

Whatever it means, the Crown doesn't seem to have been a part of it since they asked for a review. That makes it all the more interesting to me. I wonder what ever happened in regards to that review.

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2015/10/crown-appeals-justice-antonio-di-zio-ruling-in-matthew-ward-jackson-case.html

 

[Inspector_North]

That and the ambition tattoo.. Yep, if he'd worn long sleeves and had no cellphone, who knows whether they'd have ever been suspects. I doubt Jennings would've called the cops himself in the end.


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DM's violence was increasing in both boldness and frequency. It was only a matter of time, and too bad it was not before any of these victims were murdered. If only SS hadn't covered for DM when LE came looking for the Bobcat, things may be different.

MOO

 

[juridicus]

DM's violence was increasing in both boldness and frequency. It was only a matter of time, and too bad it was not before any of these victims were murdered. If only SS hadn't covered for DM when LE came looking for the Bobcat, things may be different.

MOO

True. And who knows what else they were already responsible for that never did come to light.


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[Claroon]

Just think.
20 years ago they would have walked.
It is only because of man's newest toy, the cell phone, that they were even suspect.

That and tattoos.

 

[canadiangirl]

DM's violence was increasing in both boldness and frequency. It was only a matter of time, and too bad it was not before any of these victims were murdered. If only SS hadn't covered for DM when LE came looking for the Bobcat, things may be different.

MOO

If only TPS took LB disappearance seriously when SL reported it.

 

[canadiangirl]

Not to mention if he was any sort of drug dealer he would be well versed at the art of intimidation

And don't forget the intimidating rap videos lol

 

[Oreck]

"

That and tattoos.

"

LE did not find out about the tat until they traced the burner phone.
I don't think IT went to LE.
Without the text messages the jury might not have had enough to convict.
or LE might not have had sufficient ground to charge DM MS CN or MWJ for the future trials.

 

[CJPRINCESS]

Just think.
20 years ago they would have walked.
It is only because of man's newest toy, the cell phone, that they were even suspect.

Yup, I believe this to be true! Along with stupidity to texts eachother criminal acts!

I've mentioned a case I know about from 2001 a bit ago. So many players in that close knit group that lied, didn't step forward, protected one another other to save all their own butts. If there were cells back then, I'm sure there would have been more then one conviction in the case....Probably six!

 

[marymcd]

Sorry, I'm really behind. Just wanted to say how much I enjoyed and appreciated your post. Are you familiar with the book "The boy who was raised in a cage"? I hope I have that title right. As a layperson, it was such an eye opener for me.

Lol the correct title is "The boy who was raised as a dog" by Bruce Perry, a child psychiatrist out of the US but with affiliations in Canada as well. I found it fascinating and a great read. If you are a survivor of child abuse or have a parent who was and encounter struggles with mental health issues, it could be very helpful.

There probably is a book about a boy raised in a cage, but it isn't the one I am referring to.

 

[Typhoo1961]

True. And who knows what else they were already responsible for that never did come to light.

I think there might be a couple of unsolved murders they might be involved in. That nurse in Orangeville for one.

 

[canadiangirl]

I think there might be a couple of unsolved murders they might be involved in. That nurse in Orangeville for one.

Really? That's a big allegation. What would be the connection there? There wasn't a theft. SV car was found by town hall and her body was found in a wooded area, and police say no forced entry and likely someone she knew. She was in her 40s.

http://m.thespec.com/news-story/2089094-sonia-varaschin-s-final-days-filled-with-strife-mother-says