Verdict: GUILTY for both Millard and Smich of 1st degree murder #2

[canadiangirl]

They (DM and MS) did not deny that they were the 2 men who took Tim and his truck for a test drive. This test drive resulted in Tim's death by these two men. Therefore, they are guilty of Tim's death in some way, shape or manner. They are not innocent of that, period. I realize in their minds, they aren't guilty of M1, but no one agrees with that thinking, especially the jury.
I don't believe this is a case of convicting the wrong individuals who commited this crime which resulted in the death of Tim Bosma.

You're welcome to your opinion as is everyone else. In fact there are a number of people who don't think M1 was appropriate. So your comments are your opinion when you say "no one agrees with that thinking." Some think one or even both aren't guilty of M1. I'm interested to see how much more comes out at the next trials myself. MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

I don't think that either of MS or DM will ever get out of jail.

I think the number of people who think M1 was not appropriate is very small, because the discussion of the case online has almost entirely died out. If there were a real movement to defend MS's innocence anywhere but the odd poster here, I sure haven't seen any evidence of it. There seems to be no controversy and the general public seems to be very satisfied by the sentence.

 

[canadiangirl]

I don't think that either of MS or DM will ever get out of jail.

I think the number of people who think M1 was not appropriate is very small, because the discussion of the case online has almost entirely died out. If there were a real movement to defend MS's innocence anywhere but the odd poster here, I sure haven't seen any evidence of it. There seems to be no controversy and the general public seems to be very satisfied by the sentence.

Of course the public is satisfied. They were both guilty before ever stepping foot inside of the courtroom.

And of course discussion has died down. The trial is over. What more is there to say about it?

 

[SnooperDuper]

Of course the public is satisfied. They were both guilty before ever stepping foot inside of the courtroom.

And of course discussion has died down. The trial is over. What more is there to say about it?

Exactly. If there were any controversy about the verdict at all, if there were any chance that the convicted were actually innocent, the discussion groups would be filled with threads as in the Stephen Avery case. There would be many articles in MSM.

We can feel assured that the world sees that these two are guilty, they have been convicted, and that is the end.

 

[MrsThreadgoode]

If the overwhelming evidence in this case doesn't more than satisfy the criteria required for 1st degree murder convictions for DM and MS, then I can't imagine what would. It confounds me no end. I wholeheartedly support the jurors' dedicated consideration of the evidence and their unanimous verdict.

ETA: ST and GPM were both innocent and tragically wrongfully convicted ... There was never any evidence against them to begin with. In comparison to their cases, the amount of evidence against DM and MS is astronomical.

MOO


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[canadiangirl]

Exactly. If there were any controversy about the verdict at all, if there were any chance that the convicted were actually innocent, the discussion groups would be filled with threads as in the Stephen Avery case. There would be many articles in MSM.

We can feel assured that the world sees that these two are guilty, they have been convicted, and that is the end.

Steven Avery with a Netflix series is hardly something to compare to vs the amount of people who weighed in here. Add that to the fact that any opposing views here were unwelcome, many just left or said nothing.

 

[Georgeo]

Steven Avery with a Netflix series is hardly something to compare to vs the amount of people who weighed in here. Add that to the fact that any opposing views here were unwelcome, many just left or said nothing.

Once jury has decided on a verdict, that is the end of this chapter, however these two seem to want an appeal just because they legally can, not that there is any evidence to the contrary, or any new witnesses who have suddenly appeared out of the blue to substantiate a wrongful conviction. No alibi that would question whether they were at TB's house on evening of May 6th, 2013. No "one in a trillion" person with the same fingerprints as DM that could accept ownership of the thumbprint that was found in Tim's truck. No one has come forward to say that they are Lucas Bate and it was them that arranged the test drive with Igor and Tim.

Unless DM and MS have identical twins which no one is aware of, and the twins actually did the crime(s), I believe the jury got it right, as did LE and the Crown.

Just MOO of course....

Did the police get it all wrong in charging them in the other cases for which the trials are upcoming?

 

[canadiangirl]

If the overwhelming evidence in this case doesn't more than satisfy the criteria required for 1st degree murder convictions for DM and MS, then I can't imagine what would. It confounds me no end. I wholeheartedly support the jurors' dedicated consideration of the evidence and their unanimous verdict.

ETA: ST and GPM were both innocent and tragically wrongfully convicted ... There was never any evidence against them to begin with. In comparison to their cases, the amount of evidence against DM and MS is astronomical.

MOO


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Well I would agree on this part

 

[canadiangirl]

Once jury has decided on a verdict, that is the end of this chapter, however these two seem to want an appeal just because they legally can, not that there is any evidence to the contrary, or any new witnesses who have suddenly appeared out of the blue to substantiate a wrongful conviction. No alibi that would question whether they were at TB's house on evening of May 6th, 2013. No "one in a trillion" person with the same fingerprints as DM that could accept ownership of the thumbprint that was found in Tim's truck. No one has come forward to say that they are Lucas Bate and it was them that arranged the test drive with Igor and Tim.

Unless DM and MS have identical twins which no one is aware of, and the twins actually did the crime(s), I believe the jury got it right, as did LE and the Crown.

Just MOO of course....

Did the police get it all wrong in charging them in the other cases for which the trials are upcoming?

I see all this chatter about DM.
Did the police get it wrong for upcoming trials? I'm not sure, I haven't heard the evidence yet. Are they guilty already before trial?

 

[swedie]

I don't think that either of MS or DM will ever get out of jail.

I think the number of people who think M1 was not appropriate is very small, because the discussion of the case online has almost entirely died out. If there were a real movement to defend MS's innocence anywhere but the odd poster here, I sure haven't seen any evidence of it. There seems to be no controversy and the general public seems to be very satisfied by the sentence.

I have to agree with you Snooper, either one will ever be released from prison and no one believes MS testimony with many holes. For a stint before their trial I gave great consideration to the possibility MS just might have been an innocent dupe, but with all the evidence against him brought out through the trial, IMO he was just as involved in the planning and had a hunger to murder just as much as DM did and MS could very well have been Tim's murderer. There are so many "common sense" factors to take into consideration when weighing MS's involvement and knowledge of something more nefarious than just a truck theft was going to happen. DM was in LE custody for 12 days prior to MS's arrest and there was absolutely no justifiable reason why he did not go to LE to give his version of what happened the night of May 6th, 2013. Any good lawyer would have advised him to do so IF he was actually innocent of murder. Post arrest, there is no justifiable reason why after his arrest he couldn't have sat down with LE and gave his story if he was actually innocent.

The night of TB's murder, IF everything "went down" the way MS claimed it did, he had ample opportunity to get away from the "lunatic" he willingly followed and helped destroy evidence that night and for days up until his partner in crime, the mastermind was arrested. MS was a petty criminal and drug dealer with street smarts so I say BS to his statement he was "scared" of DM and in denial...what a liar. MS used the evidence to fabricate a story that made him appear as an innocent dupe to the jurors and I'm glad they didn't buy into it. As TL said, “You don’t follow a lunatic to an isolated location where you can shoot you, too.” ...IMO unless your just as much a lunatic. For MS to be telling the truth on the stand, four other people had to have been lying because their testimony doesn't line up with MS's.

IMHO these two low life are exactly where they deserve to be and likely will be for the remainder of their pathetic lives thankfully. I hope it's a living hell for both of them. It will be very interesting to find out what LE have evidence wise on MS for his involvement in LB's murder. They obviously have something on him in order to charge him with first degree...and straight to trial without a PH. ALL MOO.

CG, yes they were both guilty before stepping foot inside of a courtroom, you're right. The court process is what needs to be done legally in order to serve justice for the victims and society as a whole. MOO.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Exactly. If there were any controversy about the verdict at all, if there were any chance that the convicted were actually innocent, the discussion groups would be filled with threads as in the Stephen Avery case. There would be many articles in MSM.

We can feel assured that the world sees that these two are guilty, they have been convicted, and that is the end.

Briefly and politely as possible--

The "world" doesn't care about this case. It was huge locally, but comparing it to the Steven Avery case is specious. That Netflix documentary was all anyone in the US was talking about for a while. My (US) coworkers (who don't care about true crime) were ranting about it. I don't know anyone personally who has heard of the Bosma case. (But Canada has seemingly heard of Steven Avery and, presumably, Adnan Syed. Those two are "celebrity" cases now. This one is not.)

And even though I'd been here since the beginning and my motives should have been obvious, I was not able to question aspects of MS's story without getting jumped on to the extent that I simply stopped posting. (And worse, by people with whom I thought I shared a certain bond, or at least an understanding.)

Taken together, it's not shocking that the conversation is more or less over now.

(No, I don't think there was some huge miscarriage of justice. I just would have liked to be able to talk about it.)

 

[swedie]

I have to agree with you Snooper, either one will ever be released from prison and no one believes MS testimony with many holes. For a stint before their trial I gave great consideration to the possibility MS just might have been an innocent dupe, but with all the evidence against him brought out through the trial, IMO he was just as involved in the planning and had a hunger to murder just as much as DM did and MS could very well have been Tim's murderer. There are so many "common sense" factors to take into consideration when weighing MS's involvement and knowledge of something more nefarious than just a truck theft was going to happen. DM was in LE custody for 12 days prior to MS's arrest and there was absolutely no justifiable reason why he did not go to LE to give his version of what happened the night of May 6th, 2013. Any good lawyer would have advised him to do so IF he was actually innocent of murder. Post arrest, there is no justifiable reason why after his arrest he couldn't have sat down with LE and gave his story if he was actually innocent.

The night of TB's murder, IF everything "went down" the way MS claimed it did, he had ample opportunity to get away from the "lunatic" he willingly followed and helped destroy evidence that night and for days up until his partner in crime, the mastermind was arrested. MS was a petty criminal and drug dealer with street smarts so I say BS to his statement he was "scared" of DM and in denial...what a liar. MS used the evidence to fabricate a story that made him appear as an innocent dupe to the jurors and I'm glad they didn't buy into it. As TL said, “You don’t follow a lunatic to an isolated location where you can shoot you, too.” ...IMO unless your just as much a lunatic. For MS to be telling the truth on the stand, four other people had to have been lying because their testimony doesn't line up with MS's.

IMHO these two low life are exactly where they deserve to be and likely will be for the remainder of their pathetic lives thankfully. I hope it's a living hell for both of them. It will be very interesting to find out what LE have evidence wise on MS for his involvement in LB's murder. They obviously have something on him in order to charge him with first degree...and straight to trial without a PH. ALL MOO.

CG, yes they were both guilty before stepping foot inside of a courtroom, you're right. The court process is what needs to be done legally in order to serve justice for the victims and society as a whole. MOO.

To clarify in bold above: there is no justifiable reason why after DM's arrest MS couldn't have sat down with LE and gave his story if he was actually innocent. HTH. To add, he could have saved his own hide had he done so. The problem was, MS had no idea what evidence LE had against him and couldn't concoct a story to fit the evidence until MS and his lawyer got all discovery.

MS has been found guilty of first degree along with his psycho bosom buddy. If anyone has any sympathy for the two convicted murderers, perhaps that sympathy could be focused on the Bosma family who are the real victims in this case; the little girl who will grow up without ever knowing the father who loved her so much, Sharlene who lost the love of her life, her husband of barely three years, the father to their little girl, Hank and Mary who were blessed for 32 years having Tim in their lives, to raise such a wonderful son, their only son, only to have his life so horrifically and senselessly taken from him, their loving son with a big heart and fabulous sense of humour. All over a truck and a sick thrill to murder. MOO.

 

[Oreck]

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When I said "they" , it was in reference to someone specific not being guilty. As in, if a person is innocent "they" (that person) would feel their trial was unfair as did many other innocent men. GPM. ST and DM to name a few. I hope you understand where I'm coming from as well, and innocent people who have been wrongly convicted. It does happen. Not just in Canada. I'd hate to be that person. Guilty by association isn't uncommon

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This thinking can not be extended to Smich.
He was guilty of murder one in June of 2012, when he so willingly helped purchase the body disposal machine.
I believe that control and ownership of such a object gave him and Dellen great joy.
Dellen and Smich purchased the body disposal device for one purpose and it was not to help out Dellen's poor destitute uncle.
Millard and Smich were guilty of premeditated murder back in 2012, before, there was a murder.

 

[MrsThreadgoode]

In case anyone is interested, I just wanted to let everyone know that a podcast about Tim Bosma will be available for download on Wednesday, July 20.

It is a podcast that I have listened to for a while now, done by a husband and wife from the U.S. Their episodes are usually about an hour long, and I have found them to be very well researched, and I enjoy listening to their perspectives. A couple of their earliest episodes have some minor audio problems, as they were learning the ropes, but they have improved greatly.

Here is a link to their website:

True Crime Brewery by Tiegrabber Podcasts

http://tiegrabber.com/index.php/true-crime-brewery/

And they just announced the upcoming episode on Twitter today. (I wish I had more twitter followers so I could let more people know, lol!)

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[SnooperDuper]

In case anyone is interested, I just wanted to let everyone know that a podcast about Tim Bosma will be available for download on Wednesday, July 20.

It is a podcast that I have listened to for a while now, done by a husband and wife from the U.S. Their episodes are usually about an hour long, and I have found them to be very well researched, and I enjoy listening to their perspectives. A couple of their earliest episodes have some minor audio problems, as they were learning the ropes, but they have improved greatly.

Here is a link to their website:

True Crime Brewery by Tiegrabber Podcasts

http://tiegrabber.com/index.php/true-crime-brewery/

And they just announced the upcoming episode on Twitter today. (I wish I had more twitter followers so I could let more people know, lol!)

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Can you tell us more about these people? Where do they get their research - media, social media, first hand interviews?

Do you have to subscribe for $ to listen to the podcast? Looks like $2 would give me access. Is that about right?

I'm interested that this has been picked up in the US.

 

[MrsThreadgoode]

Can you tell us more about these people? Where do they get their research - media, social media, first hand interviews?

Do you have to subscribe for $ to listen to the podcast? Looks like $2 would give me access. Is that about right?

I'm interested that this has been picked up in the US.

Hiya SnooperDuper!

You don't have to pay for any of their episodes ... Do you have iTunes? If so, you can just subscribe to their podcasts for free. Donations are totally up to you.

I can't say for sure where they obtain their research from, but I am very familiar with a few of the cases they have talked about, and of those, I have learned new information that I had never heard about before.

In my opinion, they are progressing very well with this podcasting venture. It is just like having a fascinating discussion with warm friends ... No bells and whistles ... IMO too many of the true crime podcasts out there are told in a humorous fashion, which isn't my cup of tea at all ... I think the cases should be discussed factually and respectfully, but that is just my personal taste.

Wife is Jill and her hubby, Dick, is a Dr. ... They share an interest in true crime and decided to give podcasting a try.

I was happy that they are taking an interest in Tim's tragic case, and I am looking forward to listening to it next Wednesday.

ETA: I am pretty sure that their podcasts are also available from many other places, such as Stitcher, perhaps GooglePlay, but I am only familiar with accessing iTunes podcasts, so I am not any help whatsoever, lol!


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[Georgeo]

Hiya SnooperDuper!

You don't have to pay for any of their episodes ... Do you have iTunes? If so, you can just subscribe to their podcasts for free. Donations are totally up to you.

I can't say for sure where they obtain their research from, but I am very familiar with a few of the cases they have talked about, and of those, I have learned new information that I had never heard about before.

In my opinion, they are progressing very well with this podcasting venture. It is just like having a fascinating discussion with warm friends ... No bells and whistles ... IMO too many of the true crime podcasts out there are told in a humorous fashion, which isn't my cup of tea at all ... I think the cases should be discussed factually and respectfully, but that is just my personal taste.

Wife is Jill and her hubby, Dick, is a Dr. ... They share an interest in true crime and decided to give podcasting a try.

I was happy that they are taking an interest in Tim's tragic case, and I am looking forward to listening to it next Wednesday.

ETA: I am pretty sure that their podcasts are also available from many other places, such as Stitcher, perhaps GooglePlay, but I am only familiar with accessing iTunes podcasts, so I am not any help whatsoever, lol!


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Will be interesting to hear what their view/slant is on this case!

 

[MrsThreadgoode]

Will be interesting to hear what their view/slant is on this case!

Yes, it certainly will, Georgeo.

I already subscribe to their podcasts, so as soon as it downloads, I will (attempt) to post the direct link to it here.

I haven't had much success posting links to podcasts yet, lol [emoji6]

Regardless, I will post info here as soon as it becomes available in case anyone is interested in listening to it.

(A side note: I have become a podcast fanatic [emoji4] There are sooooo many fabulous, fascinating, intriguing, clever people in our world, sharing their knowledge of and perspectives on every single subject imaginable!)


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[MsSherlock]

To clarify in bold above: there is no justifiable reason why after DM's arrest MS couldn't have sat down with LE and gave his story if he was actually innocent. HTH. To add, he could have saved his own hide had he done so. The problem was, MS had no idea what evidence LE had against him and couldn't concoct a story to fit the evidence until MS and his lawyer got all discovery.

MS has been found guilty of first degree along with his psycho bosom buddy. If anyone has any sympathy for the two convicted murderers, perhaps that sympathy could be focused on the Bosma family who are the real victims in this case; the little girl who will grow up without ever knowing the father who loved her so much, Sharlene who lost the love of her life, her husband of barely three years, the father to their little girl, Hank and Mary who were blessed for 32 years having Tim in their lives, to raise such a wonderful son, their only son, only to have his life so horrifically and senselessly taken from him, their loving son with a big heart and fabulous sense of humour. All over a truck and a sick thrill to murder. MOO.

I just popped in today-seems like forever since I followed the thread! As much as I love true crime, it's been nice to get back to work without thinking about this trial. Justice has been served and life goes on. DM & MS have both been found guilty as charged- locked up with nothing to look forward to except appeals and future murder trials.

IMHO, there's nothing unusual about either of them appealing. They have the option available, so why wouldn't they utilize it? I doubt it will garner the same amount of excitement that the trial did. DM & MS got their 4 months of fame. I waffled many times on MS because I just couldn't bring myself to believe that there could be more than 1 evil person looking to get their jollies watching a body burn in an incinerator. I almost thought MS was telling the truth on the stand; I really wanted to believe that MS couldn't be that good on the stand if he was lying. But- then MS, with sincerity and conviction told a very big lie-under oath, in front of a Jury- he said he didn't own a gun. In my mind, that discredited absolutely everything he had said and I realized that I had underestimated MS. He's a "player" and DM was his "rich" playmate. Gotta give it to the guy- he was convincing at times. If anything at all, I hope DM stayed up at night worrying that MS may be able to get away with it.

IMHO, both of these guys are psychopaths with no respect for human life. Yep- they're appealing, but IMO, they'll stay behind bars and be found guilty on the other charges. Perhaps little Miss CN will be making a reservation at a nearby facility. MOO

 

[redwing7225]

Tweet from ABro...Matthew Ward-Jackson's discharge on AK-47 charges is overturned. This is the 2nd similar Justice Di Zio ruling to be overturned
Pardon my ignorance but, can someone please put this into English...as in, what does this mean for MWJ.
TIA