Verdict Watch Discussion Thread

[JuneBug67]

And they are rolling in.....slowly,;just like my Internet tonight lol

http://www.thedailyobserver.ca/2016...cuseds-theory-in-tim-bosma-murder-trial-judge

I wonder what this is:

The jury also never heard the evidence of Waterloo Airport boss Chris Wood, who wanted Millard’s father to operate MillardAir (family aviation repair) business “because he had concerns about cash for the company and the airport.”

A+ for lack of clarity.

Also interesting was the first formal claim of a chop shop.

 

[canadiangirl]

I wonder what this is:

The jury also never heard the evidence of Waterloo Airport boss Chris Wood, who wanted Millard’s father to operate MillardAir (family aviation repair) business “because he had concerns about cash for the company and the airport.”

A+ for lack of clarity.

Same article says trial for the next case is Feb 2013. Obviously rushed out.

 

[DMB]

Certainly very possible. Otherwise, why redact gun B and show the Walther? Given that they didn't have the actual weapon that would seem arbitrary unless they had some reason to make one specifically relevant and one not. Could we maybe conclude that the other gun was an apparent match for the one recovered at WM's? Or perhaps it was just because they could tie the Walther to both accused through photographic evidence and it made a better case? It's not like the defence is going to try to argue in a second gun..

Of course they would if you were DM and saying that MS was the shooter, how else would MS have brought a gun and DM not know about it????

 

[Wondergirl]

As expected, diddly squat released about what the jury didn't hear.

Can someone explain why they can't get 1st degree due to Tim being confined? Did the Judge ever elaborate on that?

 

[Sillybilly]

Shannon Martin, Adam Carter and Colin Butler are having a FB Live Discussion tomorrow at noon Eastern if anyone wants to send in questions:

https://www.facebook.com/cbchamilto...503940669086/1073301919422613/?type=3&theater

 

[Kamille]

http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/everything-we-learned-at-the-tim-bosma-murder-trial

Everything We Learned at the Tim Bosma Murder Trial By Molly Hayes

But if the upcoming trials are anything like this one, it's safe to say that this story will only become more twisted from here.

No doubt.

 

[Inspector_North]

http://www.thedailyobserver.ca/2016...cuseds-theory-in-tim-bosma-murder-trial-judge
"The jury also never knew that Millard — according to Crown witnesses —was selling steroid and pot to his room-mate Andrew Michalski in Winnipeg or that Millard’s hangar was being operated as a “chop shop.”"

BBM

Can anyone explain why SS is still walking free?

MOO

 

[swedie]

Still nothing about the hoses. So maybe this is a repeat performance therefore can't be discussed until the LB trial?

I'm with you on this thought Tealgrove. But didn't JV just buy the hoses that day at DM's request?

Disgusted and disturbed with what we've learned was withheld from the jurors. Just think of all the information that was withheld that cannot be released at this time, will not be released during the next two trials for the jurors to know the truth. For over five months of this trial, only 60 days the jurors sat in the courtroom. Approximately half the time they were dismissed for legal arguments. It's one thing to keep bad character evidence out, but the guns evidence...the jurors should have been privy to that evidence.

Personally I have to say I am totally disgusted with the defense lawyers in this case. They argued away a lot of evidence that could make a huge difference in seeing justice done for the victims. There are lawyers who have morals, conscience and souls, but apparently it's not so in this case IMHO. Shame on them.

The jurors will make the right decision..murder in the first for both MS and DM. I'm keeping the faith. Justice for Tim. ALL MOO.

 

[paris_paris]

As expected, diddly squat released about what the jury didn't hear.

Can someone explain why they can't get 1st degree due to Tim being confined? Did the Judge ever elaborate on that?

The Crown never submitted any evidence to support the confinement charge.

Edit to add my own thoughts... I think Tim dying while being confined left options on the table that could lead to a verdict that is less than 1st degree murder. I think the Crown chose to push the premeditation angle.

 

[Wondergirl]

I'm with DMs Uncle on his statement about DM being a sick prick - and find it quite odd that just him saying so on the stand could cause a mistrial.

Jmo

 

[CJPRINCESS]

Same article says trial for the next case is Feb 2013. Obviously rushed out.

I haven't read the whole thing yet. Seen it was Toronto sun after I posted it.

 

[canadiangirl]

http://www.thedailyobserver.ca/2016...cuseds-theory-in-tim-bosma-murder-trial-judge
"The jury also never knew that Millard — according to Crown witnesses —was selling steroid and pot to his room-mate Andrew Michalski in Winnipeg or that Millard’s hangar was being operated as a “chop shop.”"

BBM

Can anyone explain why SS is still walking free?

MOO

Because he had no idea they were stolen vehicles apparently

 

[redheart]

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6721069-clairmont-what-the-bosma-jury-didn-t-know/

Susan Clairmont - What the Bosma jury didn't know

 

[Wondergirl]

The Crown never submitted any evidence to support the confinement charge.

Why didn't they? That doesn't make sense to me, isn't the fact he was murdered and never came home indicative of his confinement? Is it because Tim went willingly?

Thanks for the answer. That rule of law is perplexing to me.

 

[swedie]

As expected, diddly squat released about what the jury didn't hear.

Can someone explain why they can't get 1st degree due to Tim being confined? Did the Judge ever elaborate on that?

Judge Goodman did not give reason why FC was taken off the table for first degree. My speculation is because there was no evidence to prove Tim was FC. The jurors can only find guilty of first degree if they believe murder was planned and deliberate. MOO.

 

[MrsThreadgoode]

When a rich man dies of an apparent suicide with an illegal handgun, I'd imagine it would not be questioned at all if family is quick to accept the fact that there was no foul play and that their loved might be distraught enough to do such a thing.

He certainly had the funds to buy himself an illegal gun "on the street". And the family name probably allowed for a lot of "looking the other way" from the officers in attendance. No need to add undue stress to the "grieving family" and embarrass them with the possibility of the information going public. They took the situation at face value and did not investigate.. Unfortunately, WM had no one asking LE the right questions on his behalf.

MOO

BBM

Very good points. The bolded portion of your post is what angers me greatly. IMO, if the Toronto police investigative officers who were involved with the LB and WM cases had done a proper and thorough investigation of either of LB's disappearance or WM's supposed suicide, Tim would be alive. How did it come to pass that these two investigations were so poorly conducted, both so abysmal? The Toronto police have a LOT to answer for, but I don't think they ever will. An abomination as far as I am concerned.

MOO


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[redheart]

On April 7, 2014, Millard was hauled out of the Hamilton-Wentworth Detention Centre and taken to a Toronto courthouse where he was charged with first-degree murder in the deaths of Laura and Wayne.

The same day, Smich was charged with first degree murder in Laura's death.

Christina Noudga, one of Millard's many girlfriends, was also arrested that day and charged with accessory after the fact to Tim's murder. And three men in Etobicoke were charged with gun trafficking for allegedly selling a firearm to Millard.

During months of pretrial arguments leading up to the Bosma trial and during dozens of legal arguments during the trial itself, the murders of Laura and Wayne were discussed many times and protected by a publication ban.


http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6721069-clairmont-what-the-bosma-jury-didn-t-know/

 

[Dutchman]

Pls post. I could not find this. It's fascinating.

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Six o clock news report on TV. On CHCH maybe it will be repeated at 11 tonight.

 

[Abitcountry]

I think the B just means it's not A, in this case.

Well B is not A.....then I am off to Google and this is what I found:

• Cluster A personality disorders: these are disorders in which odd or eccentric behaviour is considered to be central. For example in schizotypal, schizoid and paranoid personality disorders.
• Cluster B personality disorders: this group includes personality disorders in which dramatic and erratic emotional responses are common. Borderline, antisocial, histrionic and narcissistic personality disorders belong in this cluster.
• Cluster C personality disorders: personality disorders which are classified as belonging to cluster C are those in which anxious and fearful behaviour are central – including avoidant, dependent and obsessive compulsive personality disorders.

Interesting categorizations...DM is definitely of the Cluster B group

[ Now that is not to say he is not also a genuine cluster * ......as the following behaviours would clearly have indicated : eating dog biscuits from the box...knocking out your ignition with a tree....playing with people much younger even into adulthood. Ooops, there goes that dark humour again. Who let that dog out?? ]

 

[Sillybilly]

Why didn't they? That doesn't make sense to me, isn't the fact he was murdered and never came home indicative of his confinement? Is it because Tim went willingly?

Thanks for the answer. That rule of law is perplexing to me.

WG, the law on FC is extremely difficult. I'm sorry i can't recall the legal precedents, but I've read various cases over the years, and it is such a fine legal line to prove it. I do recall in one case where a girl was murdered, and discussion of the FC component had to do with precisely how the second accused held the girls legs down. Sorry I can't remember more, but if I come across it, i'll post it.

With TB deceased, and only a DM vs MS version of how things may have transpired (not to mention MS's claim he wasn't there), I just don't think the Crown would have been able to even come close to proving it.