VERDICT WATCH - Sentencing of Jodi Arias - Break 2/27 thru 3/2 #2

[Nali87]

I bet it's also easier to have friends while she's in a place where the chances of running into other sick individuals is higher than here in the outside world. There are more people like herself to befriend in a place like jail: other evil psycho murderers like that Devault killer.

Birds of a feather will share doritos together and go gay for their (lifelong) stays together.

 

[Zuri]

This is a subject near and dear to my heart as well. You can find healing and move forward without 'forgiveness" toward that person however one defines that. yet finding a way to sort of "neutralize" them inside your soul is , I'm finding, a healthy way to move forward. Someone recently wrote me about a prison program that brings murderers together w/ survivors to help them both heal. I'm a person who would absolutely embrace such an option. The problem in my case, as in the Alexanders, is that the murderers are still crying innocence, accepting zero responsibility and blaming everyone else but themselves. So this is really an impossible venture in our cases. With sociopaths, they would simply use a venue such as that for their own personal gain and in Jodi's case, to inflict more damage. But I do believe in such programs and support them.
Finding a place of clearing is possible but it always doesn't involve the other person at all.
It's more like finding some kind of resolution with evil itself which believe me is a monumental task but one some of us are charged with. It's a lifelong endeavor for me but I do feel like I'm closer now than I've ever been.

So nice to see your posts KCL! We have missed you.

Last night, I read the posts on forgiving the people who took your loved one away. I really admire those that can. I cannot. Ever. The excruciating pain, loss, destruction of my family as I knew it is not something I will ever get over. I have put this in a special place, down deep inside, where no one can see it. I know it is there, coupled with rage, and it is so powerful, I don't go there unless I am triggered.

I have chosen to use the murder of my brother for the greater good and do what I can to make a difference. I don't give those two murderers much thought in my daily existence and no one would ever know about my loss, unless I speak of it. I admire the strength and courage of those who do forgive and I am sincerely happy that prayer has worked for them. Being forgiving by nature does not mean that they deserve mine. Nor will they ever get it.

Thank you to those who have shared their thoughts on this subject. However the Alexander's choose to grieve and handle the loss of Travis is personal and individual. I simply hope that they can continue to move forward as the "let down" after the trial will be unique unto them. JMV/IMO.

 

[HarvestMoon]

It is odd. here is a job description:


A mitigation specialist is an expert qualified by knowledge, skill, experience, and training as a criminal justice, mental health, or sociology professional. The role of a mitigation specialist is to present mitigating circumstances and factors to all players within the criminal justice system (prosecutors/probation officers/judges/jurors) in an effort to persuade all relevant parties that this particular individual’s case merits special consideration.

http://www.arizonamitigation.com/what-is-a-mitigation-specialist/

Right sounds rather professional. Not the buddy buddy relationship displayed by Ms De la Rosa with Arias.

 

[Zuri]

True. But she has managed to have friends in jail. Perhaps this is the reason she has replaced her tithe to the Temple with using 10% of her weekly commissary to give to less fortunate inmates as she claimed in an interview :jail:

Do you all really think she does that or is she just "buying" friends?

 

[HarvestMoon]

Re the possibility of JA being popular at Perryville, is there any evidence she's had any close girl friends since she dropped out of high school? No one, male or female, was willing to speak at trial to save her life.

She has/had Donovan. Is it Don o van or Dona van?

 

[RadarLuv]

Also, she said that the only prisoners that were in serious danger and would not ever find acceptance in prison were "baby killers".

 

[TexMex]

Do you all really think she does that or is she just "buying" friends?

100% manipulation. These girls now "owe" her and she can collect a favor later in Estrella or if they meet again in Perryville

 

[kim.kitchenstupman]

Good grief. ..could this weekend go any slower...I am so antsy for tomorrow. ..

 

[Nali87]

She has/had Donovan. Is it Don o van or Dona van?

Mhm. I'd rather be friendless than have the type of people she calls friends as friends.

 

[Zuri]

One thing that always puzzled me about that last heartbreaking photo - IMO, TA's eyes look nothing like they do in other photos. To me they look much darker. I'm not sure how fear affects the irises or pupils, but I do know that many drugs cause the pupils to dialate, making even the lightest eyes look dark. Wonder if Travis was tranqilized?
Ps I know there weren't any drugs found in his system, but is it possible for traces to disappear during decomposition?

Pupils will dilate with fear. It is the response to danger as in fight, flight or freeze. The pupils dilate and eyelids retract. Perhaps that is what you noticed. IMO

 

[DebinGA]

I bet it's also easier to have friends while she's in a place where the chances of running into other sick individuals is higher than here in the outside world. There are more people like herself to befriend in a place like jail: other evil psycho murderers like that Devault killer.

Birds of a feather will share doritos together and go gay for their (lifelong) stays together.

Do psycho murderers in prison have stable relationships inside, not with the nutjobs outside that "marry" them? Seems like with JA there would be constant turmoil around making sure she wasn't being abandoned, cheated on, etc. I can imagine JA getting beat up a lot, poor dear.

 

[kimi_SFC]

So nice to see your posts KCL! We have missed you.

Last night, I read the posts on forgiving the people who took your loved one away. I really admire those that can. I cannot. Ever. The excruciating pain, loss, destruction of my family as I knew it is not something I will ever get over. I have put this in a special place, down deep inside, where no one can see it. I know it is there, coupled with rage, and it is so powerful, I don't go there unless I am triggered.

I have chosen to use the murder of my brother for the greater good and do what I can to make a difference. I don't give those two murderers much thought in my daily existence and no one would ever know about my loss, unless I speak of it. I admire the strength and courage of those who do forgive and I am sincerely happy that prayer has worked for them. Being forgiving by nature does not mean that they deserve mine. Nor will they ever get it.

Thank you to those who have shared their thoughts on this subject. However the Alexander's choose to grieve and handle the loss of Travis is personal and individual. I simply hope that they can continue to move forward as the "let down" after the trial will be unique unto them. JMV/IMO.

((((((((Zuri)))))))

:heartluv:

:grouphug:

And for your Brother....

:rose:


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[Nali87]

Do psycho murderers in prison have stable relationships inside, not with the nutjobs outside that "marry" them? Seems like with JA there would be constant turmoil around making sure she wasn't being abandoned, cheated on, etc. I can imagine JA getting beat up a lot, poor dear.

I don't know.

But regarding the BBM part: kinda have to disagree. She plays the "victim meek card" so well that sometimes she fools us (or me). She's a predator, a killer, capable of slashing a man's throat then DRAGGING his bloody body. She's vicious and strong. I can't picture her being beaten in jail. I can however picture her arranging to get other inmates jumped.

She'll probably keep her head down in the beginning and figure things out. Adjusting like the chameleon she is.

 

[LinasK]

To me, this is getting personal and offensive because it judges someone else's feelings.

Agreed and not necessary. I choose never to forgive my uncle, he doesn't deserve it!!! And I have my freedom.

 

[Bluewater_Girl]

IMO, the jury will come back with DP. The first jury came back with 8 for DP, and 4 for life. They had 18 days of getting to know Jodi, plus her allocution. Yes, she was shown to be a liar, but listening to her for days on end, humanized her on some level. They also had a low information foreperson, who would have never considered the DP, as he just thought Jodi was stupid, rather than the evil creature she really is.

This second jury barely heard from Jodi, and she did not allocute. This jury wasn't presented with mitigating factors. The DT presented the jury with how mean and screwed up Travis was, and how poor Jodi was left with no choice but to kill him. They do not have the knowledge of everything like the first jury did, but they still have more than enough to determine that Jodi's mitigators do not outweigh the cruel and painful way in which Jodi murdered Travis. I agree with AZL that the way Jodi and the DT presented their case in this retrial makes it more likely for Jodi to be sent to death row.

I think we will see a verdict of death by the end of day tomorrow.

 

[Sweetiemom]

Do psycho murderers in prison have stable relationships inside, not with the nutjobs outside that "marry" them? Seems like with JA there would be constant turmoil around making sure she wasn't being abandoned, cheated on, etc. I can imagine JA getting beat up a lot, poor dear.

One can only hope!

 

[Nali87]

IMO, the jury will come back with DP. The first jury came back with 8 for DP, and 4 for life. They had 18 days of getting to know Jodi, plus her allocution. Yes, she was shown to be a liar, but listening to her for days on end, humanized her on some level. They also had a low information foreperson, who would have never considered the DP, as he just thought Jodi was stupid, rather than the evil creature she really is.

This second jury barely heard from Jodi, and she did not allocute. This jury wasn't presented with mitigating factors. The DT presented the jury with how mean and screwed up Travis was, and how poor Jodi was left with no choice but to kill him. They do not have the knowledge of everything like the first jury did, but they still have more than enough to determine that Jodi's mitigators do not outweigh the cruel and painful way in which Jodi murdered Travis. I agree with AZL that the way Jodi and the DT presented their case in this retrial makes it more likely for Jodi to be sent to death row.

I think we will see a verdict of death by the end of day tomorrow.

You speak!!
Let's hope so. Fingers crossed. If it's not DP, I'd rather they say life than "hung" again.

 

[neesaki]

My memory let me down yesterday. Couldn't even remember "Diddums". :sigh: I remember a distinct comment really breaking down - with tech speak - why the pictures weren't transferred onto the camera from somewhere else. Must have been another user. Too bad I can't remember, I would have googled for the post.

I SHOULD really bookmark noteworthy comments; sometimes the threads move so fast that I feel we miss certain important posts by our members.

Yes, gerard11 gave us "Diddums" meaning, "ah, poor baby" aka :boohoo:
And, "Bollocks" which is like "hogwash" or "BS" , IIRC.

Gerard11 had some very interesting insights and posts, and was fun too. Would love to see them come back.

 

[Zuri]

You don't have to forgive someone to move FORWARD. That certainly doesn't mean you have hate in your heart or can't be free. It just means you are moving forward and not forgiving. Not all things are forgivable. JMO

LinusK, I, too, have lived with the situation of someone dying and not being able to get to a state of forgiveness because that person is no longer here. I still have nightmares about it; I want to speak my truth to that person, to get it off my chest. It's been 15+ years, and I have learned to move on, so I guess it's more about forgetting than forgiving. I have a lingering pain in my soul, but I try not to let it get to me any more. Each year it gets a little easier...

I too don't see why people say it's necessary to forgive someone to move on and release hate. I suppose it is about what you need to do. But personally, I agree that some things are not forgiveable. I would never forgive someone if they did to my loved one what Jodi had done to Travis. To me forgiveness is just an abstract concept that is really only about the individual person. Forgiveness can mean different things to different people.

Thank you all for saying this. Forgiveness is a choice. If I felt the murderers that killed my brother warranted forgiveness, I might think about it. But they don't, so I don't give it a second thought. Whether my heart is heavy or black or whatever anyone wants to call it, from the lack of forgiveness, it is no one else's business but mine. While I respect those that can, the same respect must be given to those that can't or don't want to. It is something that NO ONE else can judge. IMO

 

[LinasK]

"McGoo"!!!!!!!
BEST.NICKNAME.EVER.

I prefer Fibber McGee for him!