Verdict Watch

[gracielee]

Ryan Jenkins - came from a good family, privileged, father set him up for financial success, but he was spoiled. I believe his previous altercation was considered to be fairly minor, a first offense and there was no criminal record in exchange for some kind of anger counselling. I wouldn't go so far as to say that he had a history of assault, but would instead view the murder as a result of two people that should not have been together - two people that were in a love/hate relationship; pushing each other's buttons until it ended in murder. I think the Cooper murder was similar - pushing each other's buttons. The murder of Michelle may have had some similar problems - we didn't hear too much about their personal relationship. Brad and Jason were married because of pregnancy, which may be a factor that sits in the back of their minds as having forced them to make major life decisions that they weren't completely comfortable with - that could lead to serious resentment, especially if there is a lot of marital conflict.

From what I recall, Ryan Jenkins was on probation/parole, what ever it's called in Canada, but his background check for the program was only done in the U.S., not Canada. And I do beg to differ on the 'button pushing' that ends up in murder. IMO, someone has to be of a certain personality type for *anything* to 'end up in murder'. MOO There are plenty of 'button pushers' out there, certainly far more than those who murder as a solution, again, IMO. Saying something 'ends up in murder' because *both* pushed buttons, is like blaming the victim, isn't it? MOO

 

[BrownRice]

I didn't catch 100% of the closing arguments yesterday. Did the defense (or state) address the E-bay contradiction (he said he placed a bid or ordered it but in fact didn't)? Although this really wouldn't come into the jury deliberation room, I find it so stretching a man would even order a Christmas gift the first week of November - really who does that? Especially one who is sleeping all around town.

 

[fran]

Does anyone on this thread believe there was indeed a second murderer? Or that JY had help?

I simply do not believe there was a second person involved. I'm a bit surprised JY was smart enough to think of getting a pair of smaller shoes to wear.

If anyone here does believe there was a second attacker, could you please elaborate on your theory? Thanks in advance!

Although you asked for opinions from those thinking there may have been a second perp, I vote NO, JY did this all by himself.

IF JY was a fan of CSI etc., it's understandable how he thought of the size 10 shoe. That COULD have been enough for LE to look for someone else. But he didn't think of everything. Although he tried to make it look like a robbery by taking the drawers of the jewelry box, he FORGOT to follow through with MY's purse, etc. Someone who goes to all of the trouble to attack their victim like MY was attacked, wouldn't just be after the jewelry. There's been NO evidence MY had that many pieces of EXPENSIVE jewelry.

The fact he took her wedding rings, IMHO, POINTS towards JY as the perp. But he didn't think LE would catch on to that, or he was so intent on getting THOSE! that he wasn't thinking at all. After all, he may have not been prepared for his ex-fiance to come forward and tell LE about him attacking her while trying to get HIS engagement ring back!

JY musta' felt quite deflated when his ex-fiance's name appeared on the witness list. But he thought he could explain that incident and gloss over it that he was a 'changed person.' But then as the pros brought up the prior incidents also with the same ex-fiance, of his breaking her windshield with his fist, he tried to explain that as 'already having a crack in it, so it wasn't entirely his fault it completely shattered.' But then you add in his lame attempt, IMHO, to play the ''I FORGOT!" or outright denial game about the additional evidence of him putting his fist through the wall when he was angry at her as well, made him look like a downright :liar:.

The only other item that could possibly point to a second perp was the discrepency of the gas mileage. But again I feel the pros addressed that fine. There was already testimony that he'd purchased $15 worth on the morning of the murder. His mistake there was to get angry and bring attention to himself. It isn't beyond the realm of possibility that while he was driving to his appointment to think of getting gas at an out-of-the-way town, somwhere where LE wouldn't THINK to canvass, not be conspicuous with a gas pruchase, put just enough gas in so that when he later stopped and used his CC as usual, the mileage wouldn't add up. Who knows, the second time he paid cash, he may have only gotten another $5 or $10 worth.

Nope, JY did this all by his lonesome! NO ONE helped him. He's guilty as charged. :behindbar:

Now, does the jury think so? We'll see!

JMHO
fran

 

[Luna24]

I think PY would purse her lips even further than normal, tighten her face up even more, stick her nose up in the air, and blame Linda and Meredith for her sons *fate*. JMO

I agree with this gl...I don't think she'll make an actual sound at the reading of the verdict -- in her mind, that would be giving them the satisfaction of seeing her upset. :sick:

 

[happy2binNC]

I didn't catch 100% of the closing arguments yesterday. Did the defense (or state) address the E-bay contradiction (he said he placed a bid or ordered it but in fact didn't)? Although this really wouldn't come into the jury deliberation room, I find it so stretching a man would even order a Christmas gift the first week of November - really who does that? Especially one who is sleeping all around town.

I don't believe it was mentioned in closing, but there was testimony earlier that there were NO bids placed on any of those bags. It was not supposed to be a Christmas present, but instead a belated anniversary gift. He had been in FL sleeping with MM and just mailed a card from there for their anniversary and supposedly was buying the coach bag to make up for that lack of a gift. :loser:

 

[gracielee]

So, does anyone know if that was a lunch break? I mean, IF it was only that, why was the def in the courtoom? No reason for that IMO.

Perhaps the jury had a question but then resolved it before the courtoom entrance?

OTOH, IF that was lunch, it was kinda' early. IMHO, if they're taking that early of a lunch, perhaps they want to eat before they go back into the courtoom. to announce the verdict!

IF that were true, a quick verdict, IIRCC, usually means NG. OTOH, a case just the other day, I believe the jury was out for less than 3 hours before they came back with a Murder 1. Of course, the guy confessed and then plead not guilty. His confession was admissible. Sick, sick, guy. Even smiled when the jury announced the guilty verdict.

JMHO
fran

:slap:

Get a grip fran! No need to

anic:

just yet.

:therethere:

We have to try and be patient.

:gavel:

 

[less0305]

Does anyone on this thread believe there was indeed a second murderer? Or that JY had help?

I simply do not believe there was a second person involved. I'm a bit surprised JY was smart enough to think of getting a pair of smaller shoes to wear.

If anyone here does believe there was a second attacker, could you please elaborate on your theory? Thanks in advance!

No, I believe JY used a smaller pair of shoes to make part of the tracks to hopefully make the police think it was a couple burglars. I think he had hopes that two different shoes and sizes would mean burglars had awakened Michelle and then beat her to LEO. Once again, a guilty person thinking he's smarter than the police.

 

[fran]

No, I believe JY used a smaller pair of shoes to make part of the tracks to hopefully make the police think it was a couple burglars. I think he had hopes that two different shoes and sizes would mean burglars had awakened Michelle and then beat her to LEO. Once again, a guilty person thinking he's smarter than the police.

Oh, and don't forget! IIRCC, the def talked about how those particular 2nd set of shoe-prints came from a $10 pair of shoes and JY didn't buy those inexpensive things! or shop at the stores who carry them!

LOL, something like that, not exact words!


JMHO
fran

 

[gracielee]

How were you able to find out about this, glee? Is the camera still on in the courtroom? If so,which TV stations? Thanks, my WS pal!

WTVD, channel 11, borndem. The 'jury is deliberating' sign is up. When there is movement in the courtroom, it's been shown, so far anyway.

 

[gracielee]

Jury has questions AND and they are ready to go to lunch

 

[happy2binNC]

There's been a nagging thought in the back of my head that he had help. If he went there to strangle her, he wasn't expecting a bloody mess. How then could he have anticipated needing another pair of shoes?

I think I have an explanation after thinking on this for several days. I believe he turned on the hose when he entered the house to make mud (just a trickle from the hose is all that he needed) , planning to make some muddy size 10 footprints for the police to discover. When things went awry and he ended up with a bloody crime scene, it worked out even better for him to make prints with the size 10s.

Just my:twocents:.

 

[gracielee]

Action in the courtroom, judge is calling the jury in, he will consider their questions while the jury is at lunch, is what I understood.

 

[Zamboni]

JS is looking a bit uncharacteristically exasperated here. Jury has Q's to submit and wants to take lunch.

 

[Luna24]

congrats to RaleighNative...how exciting even if surprising.

I'm at work and trying to check for the verdict in between meetings. I'm a virgin verdict watcher as I've never followed a case before like I did this one.

I worked 12 hours yesterday and passed out during the closing arguments yesterday but I did see the defense - 1st guy was pretty good even though I could refute some of what he said...2nd guy is an okay shmoozer talker but was not good IMHO. I only saw most of the male prosecutor and he was doing great - I was just really tired.

I'm from the Northeast - NY/NJ - I'm not very patient - this doesn't bode well for me.

 

[fran]

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/livenow?id=8175997

 

[happy2binNC]

They want to review the email to GC!!

 

[Luna24]

JS is looking a bit uncharacteristically exasperated here. Jury has Q's to submit and wants to take lunch.

really? yikes. I can't see him here at work.

pardon my ignorance, but do they report on what the questions are? and also, do the normally eventually show all the evidence like crime scene photos to the public?

Is he the same judge that found him already guilty in the civil case?

sorry for all the questions.

 

[gracielee]

Asking for evidence, if jurors review evidence they must do it in the courtroom only, can not take it into the jury room with them. jury wants to read email to ms. cargol. made request for other exibits dealing with video, photos, still shots, but they can't take them into the jury room, have to view it in the courtroom, not in the jury room. only evidence they can see is what is in evidence. can't see something that wasn't entered in evidence. Can't go outside the evidence for jury desire for other angles say from the HI. Jury going to lunch until 2:45

 

[fran]

oh shoot! my video went off!



OK, got it back!

 

[Skittles]

Lunch until 2:45, but JS is now reading their questions to lawyers.