Victim: Maureen Brainard-Barnes, 25, missing July 2007, found Gilgo Beach Dec 2010 *POI Rex Heuermann*

[CriminalMinds]

What makes you think MMB holds the key? Speak now or forever hold your peace ; )

I am very interested, because of all the identified victims , she seems to be the one who : ( gets the least attention here.

Welcome back, JF --I agree--she got lost in the shuffle--shame-not that any is more important than the others, but she did get lost some----to be totally honest, she was the major reason(aside from the fact that I follow and do some self-research on a lot of SK cases in general) that I registered at WS to follow the case, post, as well as following it on other sites--
---one of the first things is, if we believe GB4 is its own thing, she was #1 vic, and generally mistakes occur--I tend to believe it is, at least separate from M'ville--Geographically speaking, her "gone missing from" location is the farthest from the "final spot", and the others seem to get closer and closer,(which makes itself a form of geographic profiling)-----the circumstances around that event have a lot to them, quite odd, with a few diff directions to go from each one, allowing for multiple theories just based on her alone--using the other 3, something has to pop in her case that is right there that was missed(or was never released which doesn't help us)---there's a few other things, but we can start with that--- MC has recently visited back here again after a long absence, so perhaps she might be willing to rejoin us--I don't mind asking, maybe one of you ladies can reach out too

 

[Just K]

CM, you are absolutely correct about each of the GB4 getting closer, by chronological order, to the final drop site.
MBB Mid-town Manhattan
MB Queens
MW Hauppague (Suffolk County)
ALC Babylon

What a significant fact...one that never occurred to me.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

CM, you are absolutely correct about each of the GB4 getting closer, by chronological order, to the final drop site.
MBB Mid-town Manhattan
MB Queens
MW Hauppague (Suffolk County)
ALC Babylon

What a significant fact...one that never occurred to me.

Very significant fact, and one that hadn't occured to me either. This is an "AHA!" moment for me.

I have my own thoughts on this, but before I share them, I'd like to hear what you and CM think...was LISK originally working close to home, or was he originally working farther away from home? Whatever your quess is, what makes you lean in that direction?

 

[Vivalor]

Couldn't agree with you more, CM. The fact that Maureen had already checked out of her room when she encountered LISK just drives me crazy. She was big on doing hotel incalls because of the security cameras, so the idea that she was doing an outcall for a regular just doesn't sit right with me. I suppose he could have offered her a huge sum of money she couldn't refuse, but every indication we have is that she was calling around to find a ride home. If she had arranged an outcall, when was this to have taken place? Doesn't fit, imo. I also highly doubt she was abducted from such a busy public place. In my mind, she went with LISK willingly, and the only way I can make that work is if she knew the guy and he had agreed to take her back to CT. So was he a friend or a regular client? We know she was calling friends and family asking for rides, so it's not impossible this was a friend or acquaintance. But I also wonder if, at some point, she got a call from a regular looking for a date and offering a large sum of money. She had already checked out of her room, so an incall wasn't an option by then. Perhaps he talked her into an outcall and upped the ante by offering her a ride back to CT afterwards?

And her cell phone pinging to LI months after she was already missing...was she still alive then? Was she ever alive while in LI? And if so, did she know then that she was in trouble, or did she simply think this was a pit stop on the way home to CT?

So many things we don't know wrt Maureen. I can't help but feel that if we could nail down some answers in her case, we'd all have a massive "AHA!" moment. :banghead:

It didn't sit right with me for a long time either that she was taken after leaving the hotel. But really how hard would it have been for a stalker to get her at a bus terminal? Girls are taken everyday from parking lots of target and walmart to being taken from bars with friends around.
Sometimes I feel that people think that an assault would take a while when really it only takes moments. Or even just going up grabbing her by the wrist and saying do as I say or you will die....happens all the time. And most times sadly these girls do as they are told thinking they will be set free only to be murdered.
I have finally come to terms that this guy is a stalker it fits IMO in every way.
I would like to know if maybe MBB had a call earlier that day and it turned out to be a no show. Same with MW. And when you look at ALC and the place where he tried to get her to meet him would of been IMO pretty isolated as well. And it would not of been hard to follow MB home a few times stalk her and that night she went missing who's to say she wasn't done with her call and on her way home and got snatched up?
These girls being stalked IMO is the only real believable explanation especially for MBB and MW.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

It didn't sit right with me for a long time either that she was taken after leaving the hotel. But really how hard would it have been for a stalker to get her at a bus terminal? Girls are taken everyday from parking lots of target and walmart to being taken from bars with friends around.
Sometimes I feel that people think that an assault would take a while when really it only takes moments. Or even just going up grabbing her by the wrist and saying do as I say or you will die....happens all the time. And most times sadly these girls do as they are told thinking they will be set free only to be murdered.
I have finally come to terms that this guy is a stalker it fits IMO in every way.
I would like to know if maybe MBB had a call earlier that day and it turned out to be a no show. Same with MW. And when you look at ALC and the place where he tried to get her to meet him would of been IMO pretty isolated as well. And it would not of been hard to follow MB home a few times stalk her and that night she went missing who's to say she wasn't done with her call and on her way home and got snatched up?
These girls being stalked IMO is the only real believable explanation especially for MBB and MW.

It's the only believable explanation in YOUR mind. In my mind, he's a hunter who courts his prey and gains their trust before he pounces. All 4 of our girls knew this guy...I'd bet my farm on that.

But, the fact that we all have our individual views of who and what this guy is makes this forum very enlightening to me. I find it fascinating, and often eye-opening, to hear perspectives that differ from my own. Especially since I am so stubbornly convinced that I have this guy pegged to a T. It's generally not a wise move to lock yourself into a pov that can't be shaken. And unfortunately, I've been locked into a psychological profile of LISK that is all but set in stone at this point. It's benefical to me to read a solid theory that differs from my own, and forces me to wander outside my little box, even if it's only a few inches or so.

 

[Vivalor]

It's the only believable explanation in YOUR mind. In my mind, he's a hunter who courts his prey and gains their trust before he pounces. All 4 of our girls knew this guy...I'd bet my farm on that.

But, the fact that we all have our individual views of who and what this guy is makes this forum very enlightening to me. I find it fascinating, and often eye-opening, to hear perspectives that differ from my own. Especially since I am so stubbornly convinced that I have this guy pegged to a T. It's generally not a wise move to lock yourself into a pov that can't be shaken. And unfortunately, I've been locked into a psychological profile of LISK that is all but set in stone at this point. It's benefical to me to read a solid theory that differs from my own, and forces me to wander outside my little box, even if it's only a few inches or so.

I agree he's a hunter. A hunter watches his pray. He sits quietly and waits and wait and wait for the perfect moment to strike.
I came here with no real reasoning to view this case at all. I just found it very interesting and got to reading all the time now about it. Just seems like there are things that pop out to me that screams he is a stalker. I am not saying he didn't know these girls....I'm willing to bet he had met them all before at some point. But the fact that no matter what the phone calls are not tracking back to these girls phones...MW could of went out to the store perfect time to grab her. MBB could of been followed as well. Personally I think the bus stop would of been the best place to grab her. Because this gave him time to sit and watch and wait for the moment no one was around.
Same with the phone calls. MB sister was called. MW mom was contacted by an unknown person. MBB voice mail had tried to been accessed. As for ALC she simply didn't have a phone or anyone to really call. Could it maybe be that this SK would have called more if he had more info? IMO it looks like he did have a thing with phones and did try to some point contact or gain info from their phones. Honestly MB may have been the one who just simply had her life on her phone. Pictures, names, address, texts, idk it's just what I have picked up on from reading.

 

[Just K]

In looking at MBB's ad on Sexyjobs, I was surprised to see that she stated she "worked in private clubs dancing and whatnot" and that she was interested in photo shoots and other things in the adult industry. The ad was generated in 2003 and "updated" on 8/7/2010!!! two months and a day after MW disappeared and three years after MBB went missing. And just before ALC went missing.

Either she had a pimp who is still using that ad for some other girl/girls or someone has hacked the account and made changes to it.

 

[Just K]

Oh the ad also said: 24 year old BI-female.

 

[Just K]

If it is true that MBB started escorting in 2006, at the suggestion of a friend she met through her ad, got pregnant with a boyfriend's baby soon after starting to escort, quit escorting while pregnant and went back to it after the baby was born, in 2006; then she must have been using an already existing ad. Because, that ad page was started in April of 2003. Interestingly, she supposedly split with JBB in 2003. That was also the same year that he was sentenced on a couple of charges (7/3/2003.)

Either she was using and had access to an existing page or she began looking into these jobs as early as 2003. But, someone updated the page two months and a day after MW went missing.

 

[Theforeigner]

If it is true that MBB started escorting in 2006, at the suggestion of a friend she met through her ad, got pregnant with a boyfriend's baby soon after starting to escort, quit escorting while pregnant and went back to it after the baby was born, in 2006; then she must have been using an already existing ad. Because, that ad page was started in April of 2003. Interestingly, she supposedly split with JBB in 2003. That was also the same year that he was sentenced on a couple of charges (7/3/2003.)

Either she was using and had access to an existing page or she began looking into these jobs as early as 2003. But, someone updated the page the day after MW went missing.

All VERY interesting information Just K, thanks for sharing.

You posted that MBB's ad was updated " 8/7/2010 the day after Megan Waterman disappeared" when you write; "8/7/2010" does that mean Jul 8, 2010? or Aug 7, 2010 ?
Anyhow neither are the day after Megan Waterman disappeared, she disappeared June 6th 2010.

But it is STILL interesting/odd/scarry that her ad is updated years after she disappeared, and that the update was done so close to MG and ALC's disappearence.
Maybe the killer has MBB's phone and can access the add with the phone?
I can´t remember the details about MBB's phone, was it ever recovered?

I do remember that in 2008, one cell-phone-signal pinged off a Long Island tower, just a few miles from Gilgo Beach. “Someone was trying to access Maureen’s cell-phone voice-mail"

(makes me think of Kim Raffo's x-husband who accessed KR's voicemail a cupple of days after she was found murdered which I STILL find odd due to that they had not been a cupple for ca 5-6 years at that time, I mean why would he have her phone code???)

 

[Theforeigner]

All this new info that Just K posted makes me, again, wonder about the address I found on MBB and her x-husband Jason BB in Atlantic City.

I DO know that MBB's sister says MBB never lived in Atlantic City, but as I have said before relatives does not always know all that their loved once do.

And Maureen Brainard-Barnes, originally from Connecticut, was the first Long Island murder victim to disappear, last seen July 9, 2007 in Manhattan, NY.

That was 7 months and 19 days after the 4 Atlantic City murder victims were found behind the Golden Key Motel in Atlatic City Nov 20 2006.

The address Maureen Brainard-Barnes and her x-husband was listed to in 2006, an address in Mays Landing, NJ, was located ca 16 miles n/w,
a ca 27 minutes drive, from The Golden Key Motel where the AC4 murdervictims was found.


Here is the info I posted back in March 2012 on MBB and Jason BB's AC address:

[ame="http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7686495&postcount=50"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[Theforeigner]

You can STILL find JBB listed to that Atlantic City ( Mays Landing, NJ) address.

http://radaris.com/p/Jason/Brainardbarnes/

And even though the year of birth is listed as 1931, there is only ONE person in US with that same name, and that is the man who was married to MBB, so that year of birth is an error or the person gave false year of birth.

 

[Just K]

All VERY interesting information Just K, thanks for sharing.

You posted that MBB's ad was updated " 8/7/2010 the day after Megan Waterman disappeared" when you write; "8/7/2010" does that mean Jul 8, 2010? or Aug 7, 2010 ?
Anyhow neither are the day after Megan Waterman disappeared, she disappeared June 6th 2010.

But it is STILL interesting/odd/scarry that her ad is updated years after she disappeared, and that the update was done so close to MG and ALC's disappearence.
Maybe the killer has MBB's phone and can access the add with the phone?
I can´t remember the details about MBB's phone, was it ever recovered?

I do remember that in 2008, one cell-phone-signal pinged off a Long Island tower, just a few miles from Gilgo Beach. “Someone was trying to access Maureen’s cell-phone voice-mail"

(makes me think of Kim Raffo's x-husband who accessed KR's voicemail a cupple of days after she was found murdered which I STILL find odd due to that they had not been a cupple for ca 5-6 years at that time, I mean why would he have her phone code???)

Oops, you are right...it was two months and a day...brain f@rt on my part. Why does August 2010 stick in my mind?

 

[Theforeigner]

In looking at MBB's ad on Sexyjobs, I was surprised to see that she stated she "worked in private clubs dancing and whatnot" and that she was interested in photo shoots and other things in the adult industry. The ad was generated in 2003 and "updated" on 8/7/2010!!! the day after MW disappeared and three years after MBB went missing.

Either she had a pimp who is still using that ad for some other girl/girls or someone has hacked the account and made changes to it.

Could you please post a copy and/or a screenshot of that add ?

 

[Just K]

You can STILL find JBB listed to that Atlantic City ( Mays Landing, NJ) address.

http://radaris.com/p/Jason/Brainardbarnes/

And even though the year of birth is listed as 1931, there is only ONE person in US with that same name, and that is the man who was married to MBB, so that year of birth is an error or the person gave false year of birth.

He is also listed in Florida...sometimes Palm Harbour and Dunedin/Tampa/St Pete areas. This is where we tracked some associates of escort services re: ALC and where there may have been some rather shady/possibly straw deal type real estate transactions. Drug addicted/Petty criminals owning multimillion dollar homes and being listed as principals in multiple businesses.

I keep wondering if JBB and MBB's names were used in some such scam.

I feel like someone looks for targets amongst petty criminals and offers to get them help with their legal issues and then in a form of repayment uses their names as either buyers in straw deals or asks them to manage the properties that are used for some criminal purpose.

 

[Theforeigner]

http://www.sexyjobs.com/talent_details.asp?ID=13055

Thanks a lot Just K !

 

[Theforeigner]

He is also listed in Florida...sometimes Palm Harbour and Dunedin/Tampa/St Pete areas. This is where we tracked some associates of escort services re: ALC and where there may have been some rather shady/possibly straw deal type real estate transactions. Drug addicted/Petty criminals owning multimillion dollar homes and being listed as principals in multiple businesses.

I keep wondering if JBB and MBB's names were used in some such scam.

I feel like someone looks for targets amongst petty criminals and offers to get them help with their legal issues and then in a form of repayment uses their names as either buyers in straw deals or asks them to manage the properties that are used for some criminal purpose.

Yes I found those FL addresses as well.

And get this; one of the persons, a woman intials MS, who is listed to the very same Mays Landing (Atlantic City) adress as MBB and JBB, whos relatives share the very same CT address as MBB and JBB, ALSO share the 6XX <modnsip> Linda Ct, Palm Harbor, FL 34684 address.
SO...IMHO it is VERY probable that the MBB/JBB'S Mays Landing (Atlantic City) address indeed is real,

 

[Just K]

@ PS149

It is definitely not me.

 

[Theforeigner]

In looking at MBB's ad on Sexyjobs, I was surprised to see that she stated she "worked in private clubs dancing and whatnot" and that she was interested in photo shoots and other things in the adult industry. The ad was generated in 2003 and "updated" on 8/7/2010!!! two months and a day after MW disappeared and three years after MBB went missing. And just before ALC went missing.

Either she had a pimp who is still using that ad for some other girl/girls or someone has hacked the account and made changes to it.

In that MBB add she list herself as 24 years old.

MBB was born 1982.

So if she listed her true age in that add, she posted it in 2006, or updated her age, in 2006.

 

[Just K]

Would love to know who used that page from 2003 until 2006.