Video Of Ron, Haleigh and Jr, changed some things for me, how about you?

[lorann]

No, the video changed nothing for me this time or other times I have seen it or others like it. I have said it before - what innocent loving parent does not say Oh, it's all my fault, I should have ____ ___ (fill in the blanks). When my kids stubbed their toe, I should have made sure they had shoes on. Why isn't he saying "I should have protected my family". His mother and grandmother should be saying "We should have done a better job watching out for those precious children" No, I haven't heard any of the normal things people say when bad things happen. Just finger pointing every other possible direction. All this video does for me is to remind me more and more what has been lost - Haleigh.

 

[SuziQ]

This is truly a nice video BUT......

I really don't believe that Ron was not a loving father to those kids when he wanted to be or had to be. But there is still proof that he lived his life as a wanna be drug dealer, gangsta, pill popper, whatever you want to call it. So when you throw that video in the mix, yeah, it does show a different side of Ron, but that's not the side of him that's in question. I'm quite sure Susan Smith had family photos of her and her children also, but look what happened to them.....at her hands.

I have to admit, that it was a nice video....but what does that mean? That he couldn't have done something to Haleigh or that his lifestyle didn't put her in harms way? Nah, it doesn't mean that. JMO though of course

BBM. ITA. Susan Smith had that birthday party video where shes the loving mom helping her son open birthday presents. Scott Peterson looks like the perfect husband on family vids and in pictures that I have seen. Casey Anthony looks like a loving mom in her pics with Casey. There is no end to the examples that can be used. It doesn't change the fact that they are cold blooded killers.

Pictures and videos are smoke and mirrors. This is a defense attorney's dream and my pet peeve. During mitigation at a sentencing hearing the defense will show carp like this and bring in a long line of character witnesses who lie through their teeth saying the murder was a good person. Unfortunately jury's buy into this and the murderer gets off with a lighter sentence. It's utter BS. Jurors should be ashamed of themselves if they fall for it.

On the other hand. The victim's family rarely gets to show loving family photos or videos. If they get to make a victim impact statement, it's most likely been censored by the court.

 

[tehcloser]

To be honest...all it does is make me angry, but to each his own.

 

[lonetraveler]

I have seen several videos like this one, but none of Ron and Haleigh 2008-2009. I still feel the same about Ron. The video has not changed my mind one bit. Haleigh is an angel and she put a smile on his face, as well as everyone, what child would not light up someone's face? They are all little angels who have so much love to give, and many don't get the love back they deserve. I have no doubt that Ron loved his children, but it was not an unconditional love because if it was he would of never set them up the way he did and put their life in danger daily. I look at the pictures of him around the 2:09 mark and it looks like track marks to me (I have seen track marks on a patient in the past and it looks like it to me), or maybe even marks from a fight.

Drug addicts will interact with their children and seem happy when they are on their high, it's when they need their next fix that they get violent.

Regardless, what ever happen to Haleigh could of been avoided IMO if Ronald would of got his act together, gave up the drugs & guns. I also blame DCF. The videos is heart breaking...because of Haleigh, not Ronald. She is the one that is missing and most likely dead. It is such a tragedy, no child should be abuse or murdered. ;-(

:cow:

I totally agree with your post MADJGNLAW. I would also like to point out that I don't think anyone would take a photo of Ron in a rage, being abusive or mean to his children. I'm sure that the photos would have been taken during a good time, a time when Ron was either in a good mood or had his "medications". JMO.

 

[lil momma]

No, the video doesn't change my thoughts as far as Ron is concerned!

I am not saying he didn't love HaLeigh and Jr. IMO, just b/c Ron loved HaLeigh and JR, doesn't mean he didn't accidently kill HaLeigh. JMO, but IF Ron, loved HaLeigh as much as he "claims" then there would have never been a cover up and the truth to the matter would have been revealed already! (MOO)

I agree with lorann- you do not hear ONE of the family members saying "If i had done this, she may still be here" - not one of them....... that tells me, IMO, without a doubt, they know /knew HaLeigh wasn't coming home.

It is also my opinion, that if HaLeigh was really abducted that GGS would have something to say like "if i would have taken them with me, instead of bringing the clothes over that night, HaLeigh may still be here" or even TN "IF I would have watched the children, instead of begging Misty to, then HaLeigh may still be here" But i haven't heard anyone kicking themselves in the butt, for the shoulda, coulda, wouldas.....

JMO

 

[Adrienne37]

Bathbuddies, thank you for posting that video. I always enjoy seeing pictures of Haleigh. I pray for her often, and think of her as often when I sit out on my lanai at night and look at the stars before bed. I wish she could be found.

As for RC, I have always believed he loved her to the fullest extent that he was capable to love.

I did word that previous sentence very carefully.

I am one of the few that doesn't think he was directly involved with Haleigh's homicide. But that JMHO at this point in time and I fully respect other's whose opinions differ.

I can't excuse his inability to love and care for a daughter as any of us would love and care for a child.

I can't excuse his drug issues, taking or dealing. I can't excuse any of this based on the fact he had a hard upbringing. The reason I say that is because a great many of us face horrible situations as children, but once we are no longer children we need to correct the wrongs, and the best way to do that is in the raising of our own children.

RC is a young man, but he is not a child. The choices he made in his life brought about a lot of heartache into everyone's life because I do think that those choices directly culminated in the homicide of Haleigh. He's not a monster. He's just a man who was taught wrong, and continued to do wrong into his adult years. Now he pays for those choices with a child who is no longer living.

Also, to speak to every single other adult in Haleigh's life. Yes, every single one. They also didn't put her first. That to me is a shame as well. I see no innocents in this story other than Haleigh and her baby Brother. None.

JMHO.

Thanks so much for your post and I agree 100% with you. It wasn't one single person in Haleigh's life that failed her, it was every single person. Her father, her mother, her grandparents, her aunts, her uncles, her cousins. No one was willing to put the drugs away and do right by these children. The drugs were more important. The money made from the drugs were more important. I can only hope and pray that Crystal is attempting to turn her life around because Junior has no one else to depend on now but her and I hope this is one time in her life that she is willing to put him in front of everything else. That little boy has lost everything and it will take a lot of work and a lot of love to help him overcome those things. JMO.

 

[Crosby87]

Families rarely have videos or stills of when the child is being punished or abused by parents or family members. If there were, perhaps we could put a stop to child abuse, physical or otherwise.

No, my thoughts and opinions about Ron haven't changed. I still question, why he wasn't outside going door to door searching for the daughter he loved so much. However, he didn't miss a step to marry the person who reportedly was the last to see Haliegh.

The dashcam video of Ron turning his head to sneak a pill he just scored from an undercover cop in a drug deal cancels out all the heartful, loving videos of Ron Cummings and his children in my book.

JMO

You are right Azwriter, this video is very bias and only tells one side of the story.

In the Bring HaLeigh Back Home video, at the 1:04 mm, HaLeigh's hands are both bandaged. Poison Ivy? I doubt it. If you enlarge HaLeigh's school picture, her right eye has a bruise under it which isn't the eye that was bruised when she fell off the monkeybars and landed o the left side of her face. DCF were investigating Ron before Crystal's lawyer filed a complaint after HaLeigh went missing & DCF had to teach Ron proper discipline methods. KP also stated a security guard at PDM Bridge knew Ron took his children to work and left them in the car on 2 occasions. Ron is sneaky and he definitely has a dark side. Three of his former girlfriends say Ron physically abused them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPfuhDG-OM

 

[lonetraveler]

No, the video doesn't change my thoughts as far as Ron is concerned!

I am not saying he didn't love HaLeigh and Jr. IMO, just b/c Ron loved HaLeigh and JR, doesn't mean he didn't accidently kill HaLeigh. JMO, but IF Ron, loved HaLeigh as much as he "claims" then there would have never been a cover up and the truth to the matter would have been revealed already! (MOO)

I agree with lorann- you do not hear ONE of the family members saying "If i had done this, she may still be here" - not one of them....... that tells me, IMO, without a doubt, they know /knew HaLeigh wasn't coming home.

It is also my opinion, that if HaLeigh was really abducted that GGS would have something to say like "if i would have taken them with me, instead of bringing the clothes over that night, HaLeigh may still be here" or even TN "IF I would have watched the children, instead of begging Misty to, then HaLeigh may still be here" But i haven't heard anyone kicking themselves in the butt, for the shoulda, coulda, wouldas.....

JMO

As popular as WS is, I'm sure you will hear this very soon.

 

[lonetraveler]

You are right Azwriter, this video is very bias and only tells one side of the story.

In the Bring HaLeigh Back Home video, at the 1:04 mm, HaLeigh's hands are both bandaged. Poison Ivy? I doubt it. If you enlarge HaLeigh's school picture, her right eye has a bruise under it which isn't the eye that was bruised when she fell off the monkeybars and landed o the left side of her face. DCF were investigating Ron before Crystal's lawyer filed a complaint after HaLeigh went missing & DCF had to teach Ron proper discipline methods. KP also stated a security guard at PDM Bridge knew Ron took his children to work and left them in the car on 2 occasions. Ron is sneaky and he definitely has a dark side. Three of his former girlfriends say Ron physically abused them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPfuhDG-OM

All great points! What really pizzzzzzzes me off too is that Ron was so concerned about his weapons that he took extra steps to remove them from the house in case someone came in to steal them. Was he concerned that someone would come into the Mh to steal or harm his children? What extra steps did Ron take to ensure their safety? :furious:

 

[Kimster]

Okay guys, let's stay on topic here. Opinions of the video and if it changed your mind at all.

I'd also like to add that I really loved seeing pics of Haleigh again. She was such a beautiful child who appeared to be very curious and bright.

 

[Chablis]

HaLeigh and daddy (child of mine)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEHt_TZ4qu4
A songbook of Ronald Cummings and his daughter HaLeigh.


This link is so cute, I had not seen anything like this it made me cry....

Does this change your mind about Ron and his kids at all?

No it does not because I have seen similar pictures of Casey and Caylee and look what happened there. Not all days in an abused childs life are bad.

 

[1Chump]

This reminded me of when I arrived at my Dad's funeral. My cousin had no idea the reason I arrived by myself. My siblings, in their 30's and 40's with families of their own, refused to allow me to ride with any of them. I was a 22 kid left standing alone watching them all drive off with my Mom to my Dad's funeral

My cousin walked up to me, looking back at all my siblings hugging each other and sitting by each other said "You are so lucky to have such a close family."

I replied "yeah we look good don't we" and walked off.

I wondered as they were all sitting down surrounding my Mom and Grandma while I was standing off to the side what people thought. I found out after the service. A few people chewed me out because they were told that I refused to have anything to do with them.

After everyone was gone, it was back to normal. With no audience to entertain, they went back to treating Mom and Grandma just like they treated me.

No pictures and videos and actions are different with an audience.. The true story happens when the curtains are closed.

 

[Crosby87]

All great points! What really pizzzzzzzes me off too is that Ron was so concerned about his weapons that he took extra steps to remove them from the house in case someone came in to steal them. Was he concerned that someone would come into the Mh to steal or harm his children? What extra steps did Ron take to ensure their safety? :furious:

Anyone who leaves 2 children locked in a car while they are at work for 8 hours knows they are guilty of committing a crime. I suspect on the nights Ron took his children to work he instructed HaLeigh and Junior not to open the car door under any circumstances and he instilled fear into them. This would explain why Ron said HaLeigh wouldn’t or couldn't reach and unlock the back door and was too afraid to venture out on her own after she disappeared. He had trained her not to and I think HaLeigh knew better than to disobey her father’s commands and why he punished his children so severely. This also explains why Ron didn’t bother to search outside the home for his daughter.

I suspect Ron had his children sleep on the car floor while he was at work to keep them hidden from sight and Ron removed HaLeigh’s blanket from her bed and had it in his car to cover her with. This makes me suspect whenever Ron moved HaLeigh while she was sleeping, he was in the habit of wrapping her in her blanket. This can also explain why HaLeigh’s mattress was on the floor in Ron’s bedroom and not on the frame in her bedroom; Ron wanted to keep her hidden. Ron was very afraid someone was watching him when he left his kids in the car and in fact the security guard at PDM Bridge was; so word could have been getting around town and someone went to seek revenge against Ron and increased Ron's fears. People in the community would know Ron’s work schedule and when his kids were alone which could explain why he gave Misty a gun to protect her and the children. Because Ron took his children to work, he is connected to his daughter’s disappearance and maybe he is afraid to find out who committed this crime because he feels guilty for leaving them in the car and with Misty. I think the fact Ron removed the gun the night HaLeigh disappeared indicates he committed this crime because he didn't want Misty to shoot him when he picked up HaLeigh from the mattress. Didn’t Misty say she removed a blanket from the bedroom window to cover HaLeigh with while she washed her blanket? This action by Misty would not win Ron's approval because it gave someone an opportunity to look inside the bedroom window and see where HaLeigh was sleeping. The bedroom window is low to the ground making this scenario very possible.

It is possible Ron picked up his children when they were sleeping on the car floor and he carried them into the house and put them in their bed without disturbing their sleep on many occasions. Maybe Jr & HaLeigh fell asleep on the trip home from their mother's. Children are known to be sound sleepers and Misty too was known to be a sound sleeper. If it is true HaLeigh was picked up off her mattress while she was sleeping without making a sound perhaps it was because HaLeigh was accustomed to being picked up by her father and moved whenever she fell asleep.

 

[azwriter]

All great points! What really pizzzzzzzes me off too is that Ron was so concerned about his weapons that he took extra steps to remove them from the house in case someone came in to steal them. Was he concerned that someone would come into the Mh to steal or harm his children? What extra steps did Ron take to ensure their safety? :furious:

Lone, your post absolutely took my breath away! And, its truth has me speechless.

 

[Bathbuddys]

A four minute clip of maybe 10 pictures? Out five years, plus another 18 months? :no: Naaa, I don't think so. Even the most vile human being can pose for 10 pictures in a five year period, appear to adore the children, then show his sinister colors by beating their mother, putting a shotgun into his mouth, dealing drugs, and completely ignore his other son.

If I could be swayed by this video or by a similar video of anyone, then I'd question MY sanity. IYKWIM. It would take more than a video of a few pictures.

I do agree, Haleigh is a precious darling.

well in my own opinion you can't fake in pictures the look in their eyes, it is genuine and hopefully this case will end to prove it. The ONLY information that is verified is that Ron was at work when this happened and it is sad that all the other stuff is just hearsay at this point. I personally believe that Ron may have been abusive to Crystal but they were young and two years apart when they met and it appears they didn't have any structure in their lives.
Crystal is not afraid of Ron as she does support him. She is the one that moved away and had an attorney just like Ron did and we really don't know their business... so in my opinion these two are adults and both are at fault for these children going through what they have. Crystal moved away from her children and maybe she should have stayed closer and cleaned up her act and got them back? who knows? I sure don't.

 

[Bathbuddys]

BBM.. First let me say I have never referred to any member of the Cummings/Sykes/ Croslin clan as being trash..Never have... never will...
And I believe it was Ron C who stated the words.."some sorry piece of trash"
who will be wasted...

Also, Love is not a noun it is a verb..An action verb...He and his mother may talk the talk but they certainly haven't walked the walk...IMHO..IF they want to prove they love/d Haleigh they need to tell the truth....They need to quit worrying about their own rear ends and think about someone other than their cowardly selfish selves..They need to do the right thing.. Ease someone else's pain..Confession is good for the soul... JMHO

i really need to ask you respectfully how do you know they haven't told the truth for goodness sake? I think this family has acted a lot better than other families in this situation? They have cooperated from what we have seen, it has been 18 months, what can they do? the Le are handling the case and no one has been arrested?

 

[Crosby87]

All great points! What really pizzzzzzzes me off too is that Ron was so concerned about his weapons that he took extra steps to remove them from the house in case someone came in to steal them. Was he concerned that someone would come into the Mh to steal or harm his children? What extra steps did Ron take to ensure their safety? :furious:

If you believe what was posted on the Dreams/Visions thread, HaLeigh said a friend of her father's put her in a box to keep her safe. Compounding Ron’s fear about his daughter's safety was the fact HaLeigh nearly drowned when Ron was supposed to be watching her which completely freaked Crystal out when she noticed HaLeigh had gone into the water.

On Monday evening, Misty apparently went ahead and removed the blanket from the bedroom window to cover HaLeigh with after she found HaLeigh's blanket smelled like pee. Misty did her and Ron's laundry and AS washed the children's clothes, so I don't suppose Ron washed HaLeigh's blanket after she peed on it. Ron would certainly not remove the blanket from the bedroom window because in his mind it exposed his children to danger. It is also possible HaLeigh peed on her blanket when she was kept locked inside Ron's car which is another reason Ron had for disputing Misty's story that she was home washing HaLeigh's blanket the night she disappeared. Maybe Misty washed the blanket at Tommy's place because they had no detergent at Ron's and HaLeigh was snatched while she went to get her blanket from the dryer at Tommy's. If Ron left work Monday evening after he couldn’t reach Misty on the phone and crept around the house, he more than likely noticed the blanket was missing from the window. Perhaps the reason both mattresses in the master bedroom were on the floor was to keep the occupants hidden from someone peering in the window & why HaLeigh's mattress was furtherest from the window. When Misty took the blanket off the window, he had a reason to blame Misty for letting his daughter get stolen this particular night and perhaps Ron snatched HaLeigh while she was at Tommy's picking up the blanket and Misty is afraid to tell the truth.

There are so many possibilities in this case.

 

[kamky]

well in my own opinion you can't fake in pictures the look in their eyes, it is genuine and hopefully this case will end to prove it. The ONLY information that is verified is that Ron was at work when this happened and it is sad that all the other stuff is just hearsay at this point. I personally believe that Ron may have been abusive to Crystal but they were young and two years apart when they met and it appears they didn't have any structure in their lives.
Crystal is not afraid of Ron as she does support him. She is the one that moved away and had an attorney just like Ron did and we really don't know their business... so in my opinion these two are adults and both are at fault for these children going through what they have. Crystal moved away from her children and maybe she should have stayed closer and cleaned up her act and got them back? who knows? I sure don't.

bbm

I agree with the bolded line. There was another similar video of Ron and Haleigh, as well as many still pictures, that show a beautiful interaction between parent and child. Not a fake one, but a sincere one. I think the thing that sealed this for me was the Dunns Creek vigil for Haleigh video where Ron held Ron Jr in his arms. That little boy showed so much trust, comfort, and love in his father's arms that it melted my heart. Unfortunately, this video is no longer available. There was a similar video with Ron, Ron Jr, and Ron's attorney (I think it was Shoemaker). Ron Jr was wiggling and teasing his Dad, again demonstrating complete love. Ron was very patient with him.

There is a tremendous amount of hearsay which is negative towards Ron. If I believed a tenth of it, I'd be negative towards him, too. But I believe the vast majority of it is manufactured or grossly overstated. JMO.

 

[Emeralgem]

well in my own opinion you can't fake in pictures the look in their eyes, it is genuine and hopefully this case will end to prove it. The ONLY information that is verified is that Ron was at work when this happened and it is sad that all the other stuff is just hearsay at this point. I personally believe that Ron may have been abusive to Crystal but they were young and two years apart when they met and it appears they didn't have any structure in their lives.
Crystal is not afraid of Ron as she does support him. She is the one that moved away and had an attorney just like Ron did and we really don't know their business... so in my opinion these two are adults and both are at fault for these children going through what they have. Crystal moved away from her children and maybe she should have stayed closer and cleaned up her act and got them back? who knows? I sure don't.

LE has never stated when "IT" happened, so IMHO LE cannot verify he was at work when whatever it was happened to Haleigh.....JMHO
And IF Crystal supports Ronald Cummings I pray she get HELP and breaks her denial...JMHO

 

[Bathbuddys]

Yes I agree with all that you say kamky.
I also feel that anything positive about Ron and his family is discarded and some people would rather spread mis truths as we no answers in this case. I will totally be shocked if Ron is guilty of hurting his little girl and yes I saw Ron with Jr too and it would make me laugh at the accusations about Ron if a little girl wasn't missing. He no less did this and his family did not cover up anything. These people are in a position that we all never want to experience. They needed to go to the media to help find Haleigh and it is a shame as they have been dragged through the mud when what they need is help and compassion.