Video Of Ron, Haleigh and Jr, changed some things for me, how about you?

[Emeralgem]

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I agree with the bolded line. There was another similar video of Ron and Haleigh, as well as many still pictures, that show a beautiful interaction between parent and child. Not a fake one, but a sincere one. I think the thing that sealed this for me was the Dunns Creek vigil for Haleigh video where Ron held Ron Jr in his arms. That little boy showed so much trust, comfort, and love in his father's arms that it melted my heart. Unfortunately, this video is no longer available. There was a similar video with Ron, Ron Jr, and Ron's attorney (I think it was Shoemaker). Ron Jr was wiggling and teasing his Dad, again demonstrating complete love. Ron was very patient with him.

There is a tremendous amount of hearsay which is negative towards Ron. If I believed a tenth of it, I'd be negative towards him, too. But I believe the vast majority of it is manufactured or grossly overstated. JMO.

Not me, I suspect IF we knew the truth, the whole, truth and nothing but the truth, we would all be appalled and disgusted as to WHY he was given custody of those two children...JMHO

 

[Bathbuddys]

LE has never stated when "IT" happened, so IMHO LE cannot verify he was at work when whatever it was happened to Haleigh.....JMHO
And IF Crystal supports Ronald Cummings I pray she get HELP and breaks her denial...JMHO

well Le did state that Ron and Crystal were not responsible so that is good for me and they NEVER found a body either so we can't verify where, how or why Haleigh disappeared. All we know is she is missing and she is not at home with her dad and brother. we know nothing about this case at all.

 

[Bathbuddys]

Not me, I suspect IF we knew the truth, the whole, truth and nothing but the truth, we would all be appalled and disgusted as to WHY he was given custody of those two children...JMHO

Emerald what truth is it that you speak about? I see you post this on a regular basis and I don't mean anything disrespectful but do you know something that we don't? I would like to know why your thoughts are what they are? thanks in advance.

 

[Emeralgem]

Yes I agree with all that you say kamky.
I also feel that anything positive about Ron and his family is discarded and some people would rather spread mis truths as we no answers in this case. I will totally be shocked if Ron is guilty of hurting his little girl and yes I saw Ron with Jr too and it would make me laugh at the accusations about Ron if a little girl wasn't missing. He no less did this and his family did not cover up anything. These people are in a position that we all never want to experience. They needed to go to the media to help find Haleigh and it is a shame as they have been dragged through the mud when what they need is help and compassion.

I respectfully but wholeheartedly disagree...Ron C and his family's actions or shall I say non actions in the past 18 months have proven they know Haleigh is deceased and they know Ron C is responsible...They should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this charade to go on for as long as it has... JMHO
And IMHO.. IF and when Ron C, his mother and his grandmother ever decide to tell the truth as to what really happened to Haleigh, perhaps I will have some compassion for them.. Until then.. No way..JMHO

 

[grammieto5]

No matter how many photographs there are, you can not deny the fact RC made the choice that night to leave his daughter with someone who did not want to watch her, and who also was still feeling the effects of partying for 3 days. Of course his children look at him with trust, why wouldn't they, look how young they are.

 

[Emeralgem]

Emerald what truth is it that you speak about? I see you post this on a regular basis and I don't mean anything disrespectful but do you know something that we don't? I would like to know why your thoughts are what they are? thanks in advance.

Who is "we"? And my thoughts are what they are because... It is what it is...

 

[Emeralgem]

well Le did state that Ron and Crystal were not responsible so that is good for me and they NEVER found a body either so we can't verify where, how or why Haleigh disappeared. All we know is she is missing and she is not at home with her dad and brother. we know nothing about this case at all.

I'm well aware of the fact they have never found a body, but IF LE would have applied as much pressure to TN, her mother and the Cummings/Sykes clan as they have the Croslins in the last 10 months they just may have found out where Haleigh's remains are...
Also, Haleigh isn't alive but IF she was I doubt she would ever be returned to her father...JMHO

 

[dodie20]

well Le did state that Ron and Crystal were not responsible so that is good for me and they NEVER found a body either so we can't verify where, how or why Haleigh disappeared. All we know is she is missing and she is not at home with her dad and brother. we know nothing about this case at all.

well, if by some miracle, Haleigh is alive & comes home, she won't be going home to her dad & brother. Her dad is in jail, getting ready to serve a very long prison sentence. Her family life as she knew it, is gone...thanks to her dad. & also, LE didn't say that Ron & Crystal weren't responsible...they said they weren't person's of interest, I think, but I could be wrong. & that's not the same. IMO, I'd be very surprised if LE uses the words Ron & not responsible, in the same sentence. Considering the life he was leading, (& no that's not speculation, rumors, hearsay, gossip, or mean to point out. He has the bust videos to prove it), I think it's safe to say that Haleigh missing, is connected to Ron's festyle.

 

[justus4all]

Regarding the possibility and hope of Haleigh still being alive.....correct me if I am wrong, please......Didn't the LE call this.....later in the case...A Homicide???...IMO..the LE has SOMETHING..FACTUAL....to call it that......Something of Evidence, Something ACTUAL..What could they have.....that CHANGED this case to a homicide????

.IMO...not just an opinion, a thought, an idea, rumors, guesses, hunches, tea leaves, etc.........THEY HAVE SOMETHING!!!!...IMO...something they FOUND.....

 

[Donjeta]

Regarding the possibility and hope of Haleigh still being alive.....correct me if I am wrong, please......Didn't the LE call this.....later in the case...A Homicide???...IMO..the LE has SOMETHING..FACTUAL....to call it that......Something of Evidence, Something ACTUAL..What could they have.....that CHANGED this case to a homicide????

.IMO...not just an opinion, a thought, an idea, rumors, guesses, hunches, tea leaves, etc.........THEY HAVE SOMETHING!!!!...IMO...something they FOUND.....

I wonder if it's just that the people who were there and who should know started talking about somebody killing her.

 

[spyhouston]

It's easy to pose for a picture with a child........but it's not easy to feed and clothe the child, keep the house clean, make sure that the child has a safe environment and live a responsible life to give the child the best life possible. But that's what responsible parents do. Cute pictures don't impress me. Casey Anthony has lots of cute pictures too, but Cindy and George did the work. Having fun in a picture is not what it was all about, Ron...you smiled for the camera but failed Haleigh and Jr. miserably.

 

[krkrjx]

Yes I agree with all that you say kamky.
I also feel that anything positive about Ron and his family is discarded and some people would rather spread mis truths as we no answers in this case. I will totally be shocked if Ron is guilty of hurting his little girl and yes I saw Ron with Jr too and it would make me laugh at the accusations about Ron if a little girl wasn't missing. He no less did this and his family did not cover up anything. These people are in a position that we all never want to experience. They needed to go to the media to help find Haleigh and it is a shame as they have been dragged through the mud when what they need is help and compassion.

I will be shocked also. I do not believe RC wanted harm to come to either of his kids. And one mark in his favor is he fought for custody. I am not going to speak to his reasons for taking custody from Crystal, but a dad willingly seeking and accepting custody of two young children is not all that common. Some go for custody when the kids are older, but not many guys are interested in raising babies. Ron gets kudos from me for doing that.

On the other hand, it is my firm belief that Ron could have and should have done better by his kids. As parents, we do not always know what to do but most of the time we know what not to do. I see Ron as having failed miserably in seeing to it that his kids had proper care in his absence. Misty was no babysitter and he would have had to be totally ignorant to not see that. And I cannot see Ron as totally ignorant so I can only assume his choice of Misty had nothing to do with care for the children and everything to do with Ron's personal needs being met. Misty as babysitter was about the same as leaving the kids alone, IMO.

I wish I had yet another hand because I would place the drug issues there, along with Ron's refusal to assist LE in the investigation of Haleigh's disappearance. Yes, it's true...Ron walked out at one point and said, "I'm done." And he never went back to speak with LE despite their statements saying they would like to speak with Ron and Misty further. They had lawyers, and they weren't helping LE anymore.

Drugs, guns, domestic abuse, are not exactly ingredients for a nurturing environment, the kind of environment young kids need. Haleigh was not getting to school on time, and not at all on many days. It is unusual to see truancy at that young age. It was Ron's responsibility to get Haleigh to school and to provide a safe environment without guns/drugs/and a drugged-up teen as the Mommy figure. And now that Ron's hands are tied, he is willing to help LE win a conviction against those who harmed his daughter. Which raises some important questions: Why was he not willing to talk before he was arrested? Why did it take a plea deal to get his cooperation in the investigation of his beloved daughter's disappearance?

With all that said, I still will be shocked if it comes out that Ron was directly involved in Haleigh's demise. I cannot see a direct intentional malicious attack on this baby by her daddy. Whether it be because he is not capable or because I cannot accept the thought of such a betrayal of trust, I do not know, but I do not see deliberate intent on Ron's part. I can, however, see an accident born out of negligence, at the hand of any of the players including Ron, followed by panic and cover-up.

I was abused by my dad. Yet, I adored him. I so wished for his acceptance, even though I feared him most of the time. Whenever there were occasions requiring him to speak softly or reach out in a loving manner toward me, I was all over it!! Of course it was only because we were being observed, or we had company, or whatever...but still I cherished those moments when my dad acted the part of a loving, caring, patient dad. Unfortunately, as convincing as it may have been, it was an act.

Ron gets kudos from me for some things, but sad to say, he chose his lifestyle, and thus he is responsible for what happened to his baby girl.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

No it does not because I have seen similar pictures of Casey and Caylee and look what happened there. Not all days in an abused childs life are bad.

Actually, when I see the pictures of Casey and Caylee, the pictures look posed and stiff and fake. When I look at the pictures of Ron and Haleigh, I see genuine love and joy.

 

[krkrjx]

Maybe we need to consider that we as humans often see what we want to see. We might see a photo as genuine even if it is not...or vice versa.

Just sayin'

 

[nomoresorrow]

Yes I agree with all that you say kamky.
I also feel that anything positive about Ron and his family is discarded and some people would rather spread mis truths as we no answers in this case. I will totally be shocked if Ron is guilty of hurting his little girl and yes I saw Ron with Jr too and it would make me laugh at the accusations about Ron if a little girl wasn't missing. He no less did this and his family did not cover up anything. These people are in a position that we all never want to experience. They needed to go to the media to help find Haleigh and it is a shame as they have been dragged through the mud when what they need is help and compassion.

I'm a bit confused as the thread seems to be going off-topic and, although I'd love to respond to a couple of posts, I don't want to contribute further to veering the thread anymore off-topic than it already is. Your thread pertains to a video you watched of Ronald, HaLeigh, and Jr. that positively influenced your opinion/views of Ronald. You ask other posters if the video, likewise, had an impact on them but when posters answer your thread topic question, the thread then becomes, or became a platform to advance a "Ronald is innocent" message/argument. A wise person once told me, if you don't like the answer(s), don't ask the question(s)...JMO

 

[LaLaw2000]

Did this video of Ronald, Haleigh, and Jr. change anything for me? NO!

My honest reaction was anger. I see only beautiful children in this video who should be happy and excited about starting a new school year. I may never know what happened to Haleigh, and Jr.'s little life will always have a cloud over it wondering where his big sister went and why it had to happen. Little Jr. had to have felt tremendous fear in that his sissy just abruptly disappeared from his life and wondering if the same would happen to him, IMO.

Very honestly, the first thing I also thought about how was the many pics and video's there are of Casey and Caylee and that certainly did not save Caylee from a very horrendous death at the hand of her parent (IMO).

So, NO, I just cannot see how anything could change my mind about what I think at this point. I have always thought Ronald was involved in Haleigh's disappearance and who knows what all else we do not even know about.

JMO

 

[Emeralgem]

I will be shocked also. I do not believe RC wanted harm to come to either of his kids. And one mark in his favor is he fought for custody. I am not going to speak to his reasons for taking custody from Crystal, but a dad willingly seeking and accepting custody of two young children is not all that common. Some go for custody when the kids are older, but not many guys are interested in raising babies. Ron gets kudos from me for doing that.

On the other hand, it is my firm belief that Ron could have and should have done better by his kids. As parents, we do not always know what do do but most of the time we know what not to do. I see Ron as having failed miserably in seeing to it that his kids had proper care in his absence. Misty was no babysitter and he would have had to be totally ignorant to not see that. And I cannot see Ron as totally ignorant so I can only assume his choice of Misty had nothing to do with care for the children and everything to do with Ron's personal needs being met. Misty as babysitter was about the same as leaving the kids alone, IMO.

I wish I had yet another hand because I would place the drug issues there, along with Ron's refusal to assist LE in the investigation of Haleigh's disappearance. Yes, it's true...Ron walked out at one point and said, "I'm done." And he never went back to speak with LE despite their statements saying they would like to speak with Ron and Misty further. They had lawyers, and they weren't helping LE anymore.

Drugs, guns, domestic abuse, are not exactly ingredients for a nurturing environment, the kind of environment young kids need. Haleigh was not getting to school on time, and not at all on many days. It is unusual to see truancy at that young age. It was Ron's responsibility to get Haleigh to school and to provide a safe environment without guns/drugs/and a drugged-up teen as the Mommy figure. And now that Ron's hands are tied, he is willing to help LE win a conviction against those who harmed his daughter. Which raises some important questions: Why was he not willing to talk before he was arrested? Why did it take a plea deal to get his cooperation in the investigation of his beloved daughter's disappearance?

With all that said, I still will be shocked if it comes out that Ron was directly involved in Haleigh's demise. I cannot see a direct intentional malicious attack on this baby by her daddy. Whether it be because he is not capable or because I cannot accept the thought of such a betrayal of trust, I do not know, but I do not see deliberate intent on Ron's part. I can, however, see an accident born out of negligence, at the hand of any of the players including Ron, followed by panic and cover-up.

I was abused by my dad. Yet, I adored him. I so wished for his acceptance, even though I feared him most of the time. Whenever there were occasions requiring him to speak softly or reach out in a loving manner toward me, I was all over it!! I knew it was only because we were being observed, or we had company, or whatever...but still I cherished those moments when my dad acted the part of a loving, caring, patient dad. Unfortunately, as convincing as it was, it was an act.

Ron gets kudos from me for some things, but sad to say, he chose his lifestyle, and thus he is responsible for what happened to his baby girl.

In reference to myself, I have never thought whatever happened was a direct intentional malicious attack on Haleigh by her father, however I do believe Ron was directly involved in Haleigh's demise due to his (out of control) anger fueled macho EGO desperately needing to be in control...
And I also believe due to this most horrific accident, panic and a cover-up was put into place..
And when you think about it whats worse? A child's untimely death due to her father's reckless behavior or ALL the unnecessary pain others have suffered due to ALL the lies that have told to cover up waht really happened..
IMHO... They are both extremely sad and heartbreaking but IMHO the latter is far more damning...
As I see it, seems they have reconciled within themselves what really happened was just a horrible accident..
Problem as I see it, they are not capable of telling the truth as to what really happened...They don't want to suffer any earthly consequences....Last thing they want revealed is the TRUTH..I suspect it has something to do with the EGO struggling to remain in control..All just my opinion

Also, I'm truly sorry to hear of your abuse. Hopefully you have worked through some of the pain..For certain you appear to be a far more kinder and gentle soul than I am...JMHO

 

[krkrjx]

I'm a bit confused as the thread seems to be going off-topic and, although I'd love to respond to a couple of posts, I don't want to contribute further to veering the thread anymore off-topic than it already is. Your thread pertains to a video you watched of Ronald, HaLeigh, and Jr. that positively influenced your opinion/views of Ronald. You ask other posters if the video, likewise, had an impact on them but when posters answer your thread topic question, the thread then becomes, or became a platform to advance a "Ronald is innocent" message/argument. A wise person once told me, if you don't like the answer(s), don't ask the question(s)...JMO

:clap::clap::clap:

Nomoresorrow, you have responded the way I wish I would have! I saw all the No replies to the original post, then saw those replies being questioned and negated. And of course I couldn't stay out of it even though I know better! And now I can no longer delete my OT rants.

 

[seeking truth]

Yes I agree with all that you say kamky.
I also feel that anything positive about Ron and his family is discarded and some people would rather spread mis truths as we no answers in this case. I will totally be shocked if Ron is guilty of hurting his little girl and yes I saw Ron with Jr too and it would make me laugh at the accusations about Ron if a little girl wasn't missing. He no less did this and his family did not cover up anything. These people are in a position that we all never want to experience. They needed to go to the media to help find Haleigh and it is a shame as they have been dragged through the mud when what they need is help and compassion.

Although this discussion regarding how genuine the photos of Ron are in the video is going a bit astray, I just want to add that, from my perspective, Ron and his side of the family probably RARELY, IF EVER went to the media on their own, nor did they want all the media attention they received; the media went to them. To not cooperate in those early videos (ex: Teresa and Misty in the very early morning, with Misty wearing the red windbreaker) would have made thme look more guilty, though as time passed Ron, Teresa, Annette, Ron's father, and others were downright volatile with the media.

They were hostile to some reporters in the media, they were rude, evasive and in no way did they welcome the intrusion into their personal lives. Ron stated repeatedly, and quite rudely, that this was not about him or his life, it was about HaLeigh. That never made any sense to me, not in this case, not in any case. It just made him look more guilty, in my eyes.

For many of us this was very telling; that the Cummings family are all about themselves and about protecting themselves. Since I firmly believe that Ron is the perpetrator in the crime aginst HaLeigh, these people know she is gone and they are covering for Ron and also for themselves, shifting blame wherenever they get the chance and extolling the "virtues" of Ron as a great parent. Unfortunally, actions and court records dating back for years paint a very different picture.

Pictures are not a life. Children are very forgiving and trusting, and also have the instinct to be protected and the need to be loved. Someone on this thread referred to a picture or video of Junior clinging to Ron; in light of all we have been privy to this only proves that he is a small child, needing like all children, to feel loved and protected.

My thoughts and opinions on this subject.

 

[justus4all]

The video is touching....Ron showing affection to his children..

That said....It does not change my opinion of Ron ....He put his children in harm's way..

Needlessly......................Carelessly........SELF SERVINGLY....

Ron also shows affection.....to his guns and his drugs..as well.

He did not NEED to be involved in drug activity..His small children EXPOSED to it..by a child care giver...Misty...and others "doing drugs" while chilren played..

He did not NEED to be involved with guns..His small children EXPOSED to it./in the home and under pillows in the bed the children slept in..

NOW....Ron NEEDS...to put Haleigh FIRST and FOREMOST...ahead of his self serving drugs and gun..and bring closure to this mess................Tell The TRUTH....
all in my own opinion..