Video Of Ron, Haleigh and Jr, changed some things for me, how about you?

[Bathbuddys]

I suppose I'm judgmental. All I could do is see how beautiful and happy was Haleigh, and note how many pictures Ron looks completely stoned in.

I didn't think he looked stoned. but I guess it depends if you feel he is guilty or not? I just thought it was a nice video.

 

[Levi]

who made the video Levi?
How do you know what Ron would want and how do you know why Haleigh was absent?
I am guessing you are not a parent?
What was going on in the home they didn't want the school knowing about?
Yes I agree with you on one thing "Don't judge a book by it's cover"

What does me being a parent or not have anything to do with this?

It is not normal for a child to have 22 unexcused absences. I don't know what was going on in the home, but something was. Something was going on that Ron did not want the school to learn about it.

I never missed 22 days of school, did you?

And I'm just using common sense. A man that works the nightshift, sleeps in the day. They don't want two youngsters running around the house, while they sleep. So it isn't like Ron wanted her home to spend time with her...

So why was Haleigh missing so much school. Don't you think that is a question that Ron needs to answer?

 

[Bathbuddys]

I'm sure that with access to his photos, any of us could do a similar video montage of Osama Bin Laden and his children. Smiling and laughing and full of love. What would it prove?
I have no doubt that RC loved Haleigh to the best of his ability and understanding of what love is. IMO, loving your children doesn't include having machine guns or illegal drugs in their immediate vicinity. It means they get to school on time and the doctor regularily. Probably love would include searching for your missing heart the days after they go missing rather than marrying the jail bait babysitter. I could go on but won't.
The video is nice and will be beautiful played at Haleighs memorial if the people who supposedly loved her would only cooperate in bringing her home. But that would mean telling the truth and Daddys love for Haleigh doesn't extend that far. He needs immunity for that.

Please tell me where you got all of this information? How do you know there were machine guns in the house and illegal drugs in their immediate vicinity? what does that mean, in the house?
Child services stopped by that house any time they wanted to, those things would not have been in the house and if they were I would be sure they wouldnt be out to be seen.
The jailbait babysitter? her parents allowed her to be there and signed for her to get married.
I am sure they are all doing whatever they can to bring her home, I am just sorry they have been dragged through the mud while waiting.

 

[kant]

Levi-
I'm sorry, what does this video have to do with the Sheffields and Griffins being set up? I am one of the ones that are unbiased in this case.
IF you go around on the, Ron did everything and his mom and gramma covered it up theory and no other theories, what is there to talk about on your show? I respect the fact that you try to help cases, but if you are SO POSITIVE about your accusations (and that is all they are) please stop it as I do believe rumors are not allowed on this forum? back it up as I don't want to get into the side taking in this case please.
Show me proof and maybe I will feel different but you won't listen to anything other than your opinion and if you can share yours on here, I can certainly show a video that I THOUGHT was nice as I had not seen it before.
I don't listen to your show or go to your FB page or watch Nancy Grace or JVM because they let someone biased on there as I want to have MY OWN OPINION, I don't want to be forced to have yours please. scroll and roll. I respect YOUR OPINION if you can back it up, but I haven't seen it yet.

color and bbm

I think there are many fellow posters here who are unbiased - in as much as any human being can characterized as unbiased.

I do believe Levi is voicing his opinion and is permitted to do so even if it is unpopular with someone.

If I said to someone that he/she doesn't listen to anyone but his/her own opinion, I'd think of myself as being rude to that person. And just bc someone disagrees with me I wouldnt think it fair to label them as biased.

ETA: Great point about Osama's warm fuzzy videos. I wish I'd thought of that.

(And before anyone misunderstands me, no I am not comparing Cummings to Bin Laden. ThanxK.)

moo

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[Levi]

Additionally, the person who made this video is a so called "journalist" who has worked in cahoots with Ron's family to pin this on Crystal's side of the family. This is a man who has made wild accusations against Crystal and her family and law enforcement working this case.

This person has also previously worked with Cobra...

He put this together to get sympathy for Ron. His propganda didn't work on me.

 

[Levi]

Levi-
I'm sorry, what does this video have to do with the Sheffields and Griffins being set up?

The man who made the video you posted, has tried pin whatever happened to Haleigh on them. Watch the other videos made by this individual.

And where do you think he got these photos? Ron's mother gave it to him. They were working in cahoots together to pin this on Crystal's family. Trying to cover their butts.

It is my opinion this video is propoganda, created by this individual to get sypathy for Ron.

If we are going to discuss the video, we have to discuss who made the video, why he made the video and who provided him with the photographs.

 

[kant]

Please tell me where you got all of this information? How do you know there were machine guns in the house and illegal drugs in their immediate vicinity? what does that mean, in the house?
Child services stopped by that house any time they wanted to, those things would not have been in the house and if they were I would be sure they wouldnt be out to be seen.
The jailbait babysitter? her parents allowed her to be there and signed for her to get married.
I am sure they are all doing whatever they can to bring her home, I am just sorry they have been dragged through the mud while waiting.

bbm

Is there a link to show that her parents allowed her to be there? If there's no link, is it rumor?

And her parents are in jail on drug charges or other charges, arent they? So Im not sure they are paragons of parenting and decision making.

The fact that one or both parents signed for her to marry seems to be a completely separate issue than the live-in underage babysitter scenario imo.

Also, imo, for the mud metaphor -there's a difference bw someone being dragged thru the mud versus placing oneself in mud thru his or her own words, actions, and choices and subsequently having others observe it and consider it possibly relevant in the course of events.

moo

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[Levi]

color and bbm

I think there are many fellow posters here who are unbiased - in as much as any human being can characterized as unbiased.

I do believe Levi is voicing his opinion and is permitted to do so even if it is unpopular with someone.

If I said to someone that he/she doesn't listen to anyone but his/her own opinion, I'd think of myself as being rude to that person. And just bc someone disagrees with me I wouldnt think it fair to label them as biased.

ETA: Great point about Osama's warm fuzzy videos. I wish I'd thought of that.

(And before anyone misunderstands me, no I am not comparing Cummings to Bin Laden. ThanxK.)

moo

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I never gave an opinion or made rumors, contrary to what the author said. I was just adding context to the video and giving facts about Ron's relationship with Haleigh, which this video is about. We are allowed to have different opinions, which the author of this thread clearly takes issue with.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

:banghead:

What does me being a parent or not have anything to do with this?

It is not normal for a child to have 22 unexcused absences. I don't know what was going on in the home, but something was. Something was going on that Ron did not want the school to learn about it.

I never missed 22 days of school, did you?

And I'm just using common sense. A man that works the night-shift, sleeps in the day. They don't want two youngsters running around the house, while they sleep. So it isn't like Ron wanted her home to spend time with her...

So why was Haleigh missing so much school. Don't you think that is a question that Ron needs to answer?

Levi, I am behind you on this 100%!
Have you noticed in some of Haleigh's beautiful pictures that her eyes seemed a little black? She just did not look right to me in some of those pictures and I always questioned if the reason she missed so many days was so that the teachers didn't see her bruises. IMO, if DCF has to teach/tell a parent how "they can spank their child", there must of been proof that the parent had been abusing their child.
I know from experience that parents will keep their child home after a good @zz beating...I was one of those children..and the fear that was instilled in me kept me from saying anything.

Also, regarding Ron's night shift. Didn't TN mention in one of the earlier videos that Ron had just started working the night shift? Was it not also said he had just started working at PDM? Some said it was 3-6weeks that he was there.
Also, was it not said that there was a DCF investigation right before Haleigh went missing? Ron was told by DCF to move into a bigger home as well, he had just moved into that MH on Green, so not many knew where he lived I assume. Just wanted to bring a few things to light..

I don't know if what Werter told AH is true or not, but if it is, it is conflicting because what Werter is saying about the gun is not what Ron told Cobra. Ron said himself, and I heard the audio that he was the one that retrieved the gun, cleaned it and then gave it to LE. I feel that Misty and Tommy are telling bits of truth and inserting Joe's name where it should be Ronald IMO.... :cow:

Who knows what to believe anymore, I just feel IMO that what ever happen to Haleigh the first to blame is Ron for exposing her to the drugs/guns life style..JMO :cow: :twocents:

 

[kant]

I didn't think he looked stoned. but I guess it depends if you feel he is guilty or not? I just thought it was a nice video.

I think someone who had no prior knowledge of the case, or the individuals involved, or guilty or not guilty - could make a reasonable assessment in forming an opinion of whether a person appears to be on a substance in the video mentioned here.

moo

 

[Emeralgem]

OT the thread was started to ask if after watching the video does it change your opinion is all. I thought it was a touching video, I had never seen these pictures before.

Excuse me, but the statement I made to another poster that you quoted was in no way referring to the video you posted...

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Originally Posted by Bathbuddys
Please tell me where you got all of this information? How do you know there were machine guns in the house and illegal drugs in their immediate vicinity? what does that mean, in the house?
Child services stopped by that house any time they wanted to, those things would not have been in the house and if they were I would be sure they wouldnt be out to be seen.
The jailbait babysitter? her parents allowed her to be there and signed for her to get married.
I am sure they are all doing whatever they can to bring her home, I am just sorry they have been dragged through the mud while waiting

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Bathbuddys, not picking and can understand your questioning.
Just thought I would mention that here in the Haleigh forum you will find several articles regarding guns, drugs, and DCF.

An example is during the drug bust, if you go to the videos you will hear where Misty tells the UC that they need to stop and pick up Jr. from daycare before they can do their next drug run. You will see Ron not only selling drugs to the UC but taking a pill himself. What kind of example is that for his children? His daughter is still missing and he is out selling drugs?

Also, Tim Miller who I trust whole heartily witness Ronald putting a riffle in his mouth in front of Jr. and threated to take his life (Ron's), or blow Misty head off if he found out she knew anything regarding Haleigh.

Also, we have Chelsea that said on NG that she knew for a "Fact" that Ron had drugs laying around the house.

Also, IMO, if DCF has to tell a parent how to hit their child due to an investigation, then that parent most of been abusing their child. Why else would DCF have to tell Ron how he could hit his children?

Also, in the Cobra audios Ronald talks about his guns and having them in the home in his gun cabinet.

Then, now we hear that Misty had to sleep with a gun under her pillow. Now, don't know if that is true or not, but if so....she also slept with Jr. in the bed how safe would that be?

As for DCF, they usually call before they come out in most cases, so Ron would of had time to clean up before they got there.
Also, there is an interview where one of Ron's neighbors talks about how Ron went over there to try and get this neighbors dad that works for DCF to help Ron out in the DCF investigation..

I don't know what to believe in this case but IMO Ron did put his children last and in harms way so regardless he is to blame for what ever happen to Haleigh. JMO :truce:

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Originally Posted by Bathbuddys
I didn't think he looked stoned. but I guess it depends if you feel he is guilty or not? I just thought it was a nice video.

It is a beautiful video of Haleigh, she is a beautiful child and I pray that she is brought home soon and who ever took her will be charged.