Found Deceased WA - Cheryl DeBoer, 54, Mountlake Terrace, 8 February 2016 #2

[marcyjoy]

"I am not sure that there wasn't a specific reason they started searching there"
(Sorry, I can't bold)

Maybe she was seen walking that way. Just because Pickard hasn't told of any sightings doesn't necessarily mean there hasn't been any. In fact, I think she must have been seen somewhere at some stage that day, either by a camera or a person.

I think you're right. So many places have cameras now. She was parked on a residential street - many people have residential surveillance systems (including CD and MD, which we now know). Coffee shops, public buildings (including libraries), traffic cameras, coffee shops.....

 

[Tillicum]

I haven't thought it all through but here's what I've been able to guess so far if this was indeed a suicide. What if Cheryl staged it to look like a kidnapping and murder so her family could receive an insurance pay out? Did she cut her fingers in order to leave blood evidence in the car, then take some pills and hide her things before the pills took effect, then hid in the culvert hoping she wouldn't be found until it was too late for an autopsy to determine cause of death?

I don't really believe this but it's the best I can come up with :thinking:

 

[pinklilies]

Could she have had septic shock or sepsis from the small cuts on her fingers while being in that culvert? Bacteria from that water?

http://www.merckmanuals.com/home/in...ction-to-bacteremia,-sepsis,-and-septic-shock

IMOO.

But what reason would she be in the water in the first place?

 

[Yvettea]

CD's niece said her aunt is brilliant. If she planned the disappearance it may be very elaborate.

 

[pinklilies]

I think you're right. So many places have cameras now. She was parked on a residential street - many people have residential surveillance systems (including CD and MD, which we now know). Coffee shops, public buildings (including libraries), traffic cameras, coffee shops.....

That's true isn't it, there was one on her own home.

 

[Treelights]

But what reason would she be in the water in the first place?

"Mountlake Terrace detectives continue to investigate this case as a homicide. However, other possible causes of death are also being investigated."

http://www.cityofmlt.com/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=55

I was coming up for reasons for other possible causes of death.
IMOO.

 

[DatelineFan]

I'm still not going to buy into the suicide theory until I'm forced to, possibly while being held at gunpoint on a busy street while nobody notices. Of course after they find what's left of me 3 counties over, it can be ruled that I committed suicide by "stubbornness."
I hope I get the same M.E.


I think the main stream media in Seattle needs to get Pickards skinny little butt behind the podium to answer some questions about all of this.

Scoot over. I'm right there with you!

 

[DatelineFan]

Terrible to hear Dateline....I guess anyone who is touched by suicide knows that irrationality of it all.

Yes. It's terribly difficult to come to terms with. He was a kind, jovial man. I was in constant fits of laughter around him. So sad that someone who brings such joy to others, suffered in silence and felt alone.

Sorry, it's only been a few years. It still hurts.

 

[SassyBenton]

"Mountlake Terrace detectives continue to investigate this case as a homicide. However, other possible causes of death are also being investigated."

http://www.cityofmlt.com/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=55

I was coming up for reasons for other possible causes of death.
IMOO.

I don’t mean to be insensitive but if this was a homicide why are they even mentioning the self-inflicted cuts on her fingers? Who cares? What does that have to do with her being murdered? Maybe the media is really stretching for some news at this point because nothing new has really been said since she was found?

 

[Treelights]

Yes. It's terribly difficult to come to terms with. He was a kind, jovial man. I was in constant fits of laughter around him. So sad that someone who brings such joy to others, suffered in silence and felt alone.

Sorry, it's only been a few years. It still hurts.

Hugs!!!

 

[marcyjoy]

Yes. It's terribly difficult to come to terms with. He was a kind, jovial man. I was in constant fits of laughter around him. So sad that someone who brings such joy to others, suffered in silence and felt alone.

Sorry, it's only been a few years. It still hurts.

I'm sorry. The pain for me lessened when I tried to stop understanding why. The dichotomy of bringing happiness to others while suffering alone is probably confusing as well.

 

[WhisperWorm]

Someone had asked about being diabetic/finger pricks. I am diabetic and do about ten finger pricks a day. I generally use the same finger - so yes, that finger does have a patch of "self inflicted cuts." If that finger gets too sore, I use another one, but that's rare. So that's two fingers? I have not heard that Cheryl had any illnesses, and I don't consider my diabetes to be an illness (personal preference) - but a diabetic on insulin could definitely inject enough to kill themselves and it wouldn't be immediate, necessarily.

 

[SassyBenton]

I don't know how to describe the area where she was found but I can't imagine it having special meaning. You could go to Google maps street view and see what I mean. The culvert where she was found is right by a crummy little lot where a crappy house once stood. It was demolished a few years ago and nothing rebuilt. Ironically, there is now a big fancy sign that says Welcome to Mountlake Terrace right at the culvert.


There is a creek that runs into the culvert but it's just a suburban run-off type of creek - nothing pastoral or special about it that I can imagine.

I don't mean to sound like a know-it-all - sorry. I obviously don't really know. But basically she was found at the side of the road in a culvert, at an intersection that is busy at times. I doubt it had meaning for her.

ETA: It's not very pedestrian-friendly around that intersection, either, so I'd like to think someone might having noticed her walking and dodging traffic on the shoulders of the road if she had made her way over there. Which I really really really do not buy.

As some who has clinical depression I can tell you when someone is suicidal there is no logic, they can’t see past the pain, nothing matters but escaping from the depression.

 

[KJ's Mamu]

BBM

If they declare this a suicide I'm going to rip my hair out! It's of course possible but it seems very unlikely. Why would she go to a culvert? It does not seem like a spot that would have special meaning. I guess she could have gone there so her kids wouldn't find her at home and because it's a pretty public spot she thought she'd be found quickly.
It's not the idea she could have committed suicide that's so hard to believe, it's the circumstances.
I thought from the beginning this was a homicide but now I'm not sure. I'm starting to lean towards accidental death. I wonder if she had any history of drug abuse? Maybe she took too many pills/drugs became disoriented and ended up in the culvert where she drowned? It's hard to believe no one would notice a woman walking around disoriented at 7am. Or maybe she has recently started taking a new prescription medication. Meds for mental health especially can be really strong and take time to get used too. If she accidentally took a double dose she could have easily become 'high' and disoriented.
All speculation of course. Just thinking out loud.

In the family press conference early in the first couple days she was missing her niece said that CD had ZERO history of mental health issues or drug/alcohol abuse.

I'm finding it very difficult to consider the idea of suicide. If she was really planning to commit suicide why wouldn't she tell her co-worker she was sick and wouldn't be meeting her at all? That would have been the end of needing to communicate with the friend at all. Could the cuts on her fingers be defensive wounds mistaken for self-inflicted wounds? Or perhaps that wounds occurred at home just before she left? A cut while making and packing her lunch? Having to deal with the cuts might have caused her forget her badge? I don't know...but I just cannot get my head around suicide, especially when I consider where she was found.

 

[kammiemc]

Wasn't she somewhat in the medical field? Cuts or pricks on your fingers are very painful. I have never heard of this as a suicide scenario.

I wonder if she wanted it to appear that someone abducted her from her car so she made sure her blood was found there. I also wonder if she made an attempt to make it look like homicide was the COD instead of suicide.

The only reasons I can think of why she might do that are because she didn't want her family to struggle over that she took her own life, or she wanted them to be able to collect insurance (which they wouldn't be able to do in the case of suicide), or both.

Unless someone forced her to cut herself. But I can't wrap my head around that.




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[Treelights]

I don’t mean to be insensitive but if this was a homicide why are they even mentioning the self-inflicted cuts on her fingers? Who cares? What does that have to do with her being murdered? Maybe the media is really stretching for some news at this point because nothing new has really been said since she was found?

Maybe she was meant to be murdered, but perhaps she died of other causes, like having cuts on her, maybe she died from blood poisoning first. Maybe she was still alive when she was put into the culvert. Was she bound?
I am just trying to think outside of the box considering other possible causes of death are being investigated.
For all we know she could have been left for dead, but died of some medical ailment perhaps?

IMOO.

 

[LotsaLatte]

Are there any known cameras between her car and where she was found that would have caught her on tape IF she walked? I suppose it's possible that she didn't die the day she went missing? I guess we have to wait for a full report. I honestly don't think this is a suicide but I've been wrong before.

 

[Elainera]

Does the ME have to release the full report to the public at one point? Or is this optional?

 

[LotsaLatte]

Were the keys to the car found? I am tying to work and keep up with the thread. I hope I am not asking things that have already been answered :/

 

[Elainera]

Were the keys to the car found? I am tying to work and keep up with the thread. I hope I am not asking things that have already been answered :/

No word about keys.