Found Deceased WA - Cheryl DeBoer, 54, Mountlake Terrace, 8 February 2016 #2

[Bravo]

Were the keys to the car found? I am tying to work and keep up with the thread. I hope I am not asking things that have already been answered :/

Has not been disclosed. Yet.

 

[steelman]

How do they know the cuts on her fingers weren't being inflicted on her by someone else as a form of torture or in an effort to control her ?? Whether they found a knife or not, that doesn't necessarily mean she was the one doing the cutting.

That M.E. really blew it on this one, or whoever it was that decided to only release that tiny tidbit of information. It borders on being just plain silly.

 

[DatelineFan]

I want to clarify about the culvert search. I believe it was the 2nd presser, Pickard said that the volunteers decided to search there. He definitely seemed to be saying that the decision to search there didn't come from LE.

 

[Eileen730]

Would she have these cuts on her fingers from trying to get out of a TRUNK?

 

[kammiemc]

How do they know the cuts on her fingers weren't being inflicted on her by someone else as a form of torture or in an effort to control her ?? Whether they found a knife or not, that doesn't necessarily mean she was the one doing the cutting.

That M.E. really blew it on this one, or whoever it was that decided to only release that tiny tidbit of information. It borders on being just plain silly.

It's really bizarre.

I cut my finger opening a bottle of wine a few weeks ago. Would that be considered self-inflicted?


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[Stripehaven]

Are there any known cameras between her car and where she was found that would have caught her on tape IF she walked? I suppose it's possible that she didn't die the day she went missing? I guess we have to wait for a full report. I honestly don't think this is a suicide but I've been wrong before.

If she walked the route that seems most logical to me, she would have passed the camera that caught her car going west at 7:00. There are several businesses on that route that might have cameras: a mini mart, autonomy shop, espresso stand, ARCO station.

 

[darring21]

I want to clarify about the culvert search. I believe it was the 2nd presser, Pickard said that the volunteers decided to search there. He definitely seemed to be saying that the decision to search there didn't come from LE.

I wonder if someone lived near the culvert that she knew and that's what led searchers there? It seems like a needle in a haystack unless I don't understand the scope of the volunteer search.

 

[1&2&3]

Sorry, I can not buy suicide. To me, there was too much planning for it to be a suicide. As already mentioned, driving a different car, the badge left at home, the text messages including answering that it would take her ten minutes to to go home and return to the park and ride.

IF suicide is what she was planning, her husband had left before her, so exact timing of getting to the park and ride at her regular time was not necessary. She could have driven that way, texted her carpool buddy she was sick and would be coming in later or a dozen other excuses, then gone to do her deed wherever. She did not need to follow any of her regular routine.

 

[pinklilies]

It's really bizarre.

I cut my finger opening a bottle of wine a few weeks ago. Would that be considered self-inflicted?


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I agree. She could have been slicing vegetables, opening a box with a knife, many scenarios I think to cause cuts on the fingers. I'm sure that would be classed as self inflicted.

 

[LotsaLatte]

I am guessing maybe the cuts were in a more advanced stage of healing than if they had been made at the time or after she was last seen. I hope that makes sense?

 

[idfinch]

I don’t mean to be insensitive but if this was a homicide why are they even mentioning the self-inflicted cuts on her fingers? Who cares? What does that have to do with her being murdered?

All of this! Why bring up something so seemingly inconsequential to confuse the public even more? They already know every single detail about the condition of her body, and there's no way this was the only visible or reportable sign of trauma.

We are not in any danger, but there's now a list of ways we are supposed to be cautious and vigilant.

It's being investigated as a homicide, unless it's not.

She got to the culvert somehow. Either in her car, which was returned by whoever left her there, or in someone else's car, meaning an abduction on 58th. I suppose she could have walked there but the chances of that with no one seeing her & no surveillance seems highly unlikely.

Scenario 1: She was attacked and struck or cut at/in her car resulting in blood spatter on the passenger interior, injected or drugged to subdue her (waiting for tox reports), was placed in a 2nd vehicle - trunk? - and received self inflicted finger cuts trying to free herself from bindings or trunk. Putting it out there to prod suspect?

Scenario 2: No determinable or singular cause of death, waiting for tox screen and putting out the words "self-inflicted" and info about testing the car blood to see if it's Cheryl's to imply that it could be a potential suicide to calm public nerves as it's not what they may have initially suspected & have absolutely nothing.

I'm not seeing suicide... If they really thought that was a strong possibility there wouldn't have been such odd & covert media releases & repeated searches & pleas for info. LE has been asked repeatedly if there is public risk & they're waffling.

Really upsetting to think of what Cheryl must have gone through, regardless.





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[TTF14]

As some who has clinical depression I can tell you when someone is suicidal there is no logic, they can’t see past the pain, nothing matters but escaping from the depression.

Exactly. I've never followed through (and thankfully I'm completely past that stage), but I would never try to make sense of it because I know when I was there, I was not thinking with sense at all.

 

[TTF14]

It's pretty annoying that LE is being so obtuse. Especially if the public is in danger. Why mention cuts on her fingers? It's bizarre! I'm a picker and in the winter often have dry/cracked skin that sometimes bleeds when I pick it. Would they put that in my autopsy and confuse the public??

 

[LonghornSpeakEasy]

I'm not advocating a suicide theory but could LE believe the self-inflicted cuts were practice cuts for cutting her wrists (could hardly type that) and then she couldn't follow through with that method?

 

[1&2&3]

Two self inflicted cuts on her fingers - why would that be mentioned?

Is this another case where the ME cannot determine a cause of death? We have seen a number of these lately.

As others have asked, why was the area around her car not blocked off with crime tape especially after blood was discovered in her car?

Is this a case that LE has cleared the husband publically but have doubts? Similar to the DeOrr case where the Sheriff said the parents were "strong", meaning he believed their story in the beginning.

It sounds like LE is throwing spaghetti against the wall to see if someone will break.

 

[bradfordsleuth]

I am wondering if her car key was found in her pocket...has anyone come across that info?
It would be strange for her to toss away personal belongings (although I don't believe that her purse was located?) and her car keys if it is indeed suicide. It would make more sense for that stuff to be left in the car.
Also...would the weather there require her to be wearing a jacket....and was she still wearing it when she was found?

 

[MU42M]

I don't know if it's relevant and I can't search right now but I seem to recall recent news articles about our medical examiner's office that left me with a negative impression and job postings for medical examiners recently. Maybe I'm imagining this but I swear it! Maybe they are just terribly inexperienced?


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[bradfordsleuth]

I may watch too much TV....but this thought crossed my mind; could the cuts be a message? I.e. initials of someone?

 

[Kale]

Just caught up on the news. Self inflicted? Oh brother. So confusing. Well, if it was suicide, it would probably be the first suicide ever where someone just barely cut themselves on the finger in their car, then walked away and threw themselves in a ditch to die from their tiny little cut... I mean, if she was trying to kill herself, that just doesn't seem to be how to do it.

Someone's probably mentioned this already, but couldn't self-inflicted be like "hurting herself"? We've all cut our fingers by accident...

Also, has anyone said how much blood was found in the car? We're there specks, or a good amount? I struggled with anemia for a while, and a few times when they slightly pricked my finger for an iron test, I bled an over dramatic amount due to the thinness of my blood. So I do wonder if it's possible her small cuts are her only injuries?

 

[Kale]

I am wondering if her car key was found in her pocket...has anyone come across that info?
It would be strange for her to toss away personal belongings (although I don't believe that her purse was located?) and her car keys if it is indeed suicide. It would make more sense for that stuff to be left in the car.
Also...would the weather there require her to be wearing a jacket....and was she still wearing it when she was found?

I don't know if she was wearing a jacket when she was found, but it's barely stopped raining here in weeks, and while the temperatures have been mild (in the 40's-50's), I can't imagine that someone commuting by bus at 7am wouldn't have a jacket.

JMO