Found Deceased WA - Cheryl DeBoer, 54, Mountlake Terrace, 8 February 2016 #2

[kammiemc]

One thing I wanted to add is that the block CD's car was found parked on 58th appears to be the very closest legal place to park on the street outside of the transit center parking lot. It is such a quick walk to the parking lot, I can imagine people parking there just to avoid the chaos of having to navigate exiting the parking lot upon arriving back at the end of the day. So I am not surprised if it is her MO to park there. (Just would be surprised to find out that she heads through the park.)


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[DatelineFan]

This is kind of funny. It's my bday, which is the ONLY reason my family was so kind to entertain my curiosity by joining me on the mission. It's about 15 mins in Sat traffic from my house.


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HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU! And thanks so much!

 

[kammiemc]

Yes in my opinion it was at home just to construct all the story around the badge. The badge was not forgotten that morning as for me there was anyone anymore to forget that badge the badge simply had to be at home because it was said in the texts that it was at home.

Okay, then I kinda hate to ask the obvious question, but do you think that the sheriff has either made a mistake in clearing the husband or has done so for strategic reasons? Or do you think someone pounced the second the husband left the house?

I have to admit, I reallllllllllly thought this was inside job. But I kinda feel obligated to believe the sheriff if he is saying the husband is cleared. I still wonder about another woman being a suspect. If the husband answered truthfully about his knowledge of any kind of lady admirers, he would have passed the poly and the whole thing could have nothing to do with him! He would be helping LE. And that person could be someone who knows both CD and her husband well. Well enough to know her routine. Well enough to gain entry into the house or catch her off guard on the way to the car.


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[DatelineFan]

No. Did you hear that?


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In the media they made it sound as though that was the first search in that area.

 

[kammiemc]

Perp would powe down phone to not be tracked
She would power it down because its dying or she thought she was having a serious convo with someone. Not sure why they wouldnt leave the phone there unless it may have contained their info. If she wasnt attacked in her car thatd explain why her phone wasnt left there maybe. Or maybe like i said earlier they wanted it to be seen like a missing persons case where an adult goes missing on their own freewil and just walks away. ...which cops have informed me is legal and fine

Good point. I forgot about the "she walked away on her own" theory. Very possible that someone wanted to make it seem like she did (or that she jumped on transit to work and met danger on her way).

And O/T, I DID have a co-worker fake his own disappearance and bail on his pregnant wife and two kids on Valentine's Day, so that he could go lead a strange swingin' life in LA. Totally legal to disappear himself. It was a case on WS. (Nicolas Francisco)


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[kammiemc]

Yeah the intersection but if she was found on sw corner why wouldnt they tape off that block or area? I mean just a little bit of sw corner is taped off. Youd think if they were looking for evidence theyd tape off further south and west, too. Thats why i think her body was by sign.

I am guessing that what you are saying is accurate and that sheriff misspoke when he said it was the SW corner.


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[DatelineFan]

Okay, then I kinda hate to ask the obvious question, but do you think that the sheriff has either made a mistake in clearing the husband or has done so for strategic reasons? Or do you think someone pounced the second the husband left the house?

I have to admit, I reallllllllllly thought this was inside job. But I kinda feel obligated to believe the sheriff if he is saying the husband is cleared. I still wonder about another woman being a suspect. If the husband answered truthfully about his knowledge of any kind of lady admirers, he would have passed the poly and the whole thing could have nothing to do with him! He would be helping LE. And that person could be someone who knows both CD and her husband well. Well enough to know her routine. Well enough to gain entry into the house or catch her off guard on the way to the car.


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I'm thinking a woman involved who knows both of them.

 

[DatelineFan]

Somebody get @steelman in here with a case of cold beer, to discuss this theory!

 

[marble]

Regarding the cuts on the fingers:
I know we are flying blind here since they could be nothing at all to do with her death (and we have no idea what the cuts looked like, how recent, whether or not they were the source of bloodstains in her car, etc etc) BUT I was wondering if she may have grasped tightly to house or car keys- whether while in pain (physical and/or psychological), to wrest them away from someone, or to use them in self-defense. Again, the cuts could be nothing but given the little info we have to go on I'm just throwing that out as one more possible scenario.

 

[kammiemc]

No.

I was curious because water and ditches (plus other areas of water) are common places to look for people that are missing AND because this area seems close in proximity to where her car was I thought maybe it would have been an area that was already searched.

I know that area is heavily wooded so it's not likely to be able to cover the entire area. However, there were lots of volunteers and police out there with dogs. So it just seems interesting that it took as long as it did.


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That whole area seems inundated with woods and good hiding places for bodies. I am not super surprised it took days to get down in that direction over a mile away. Although, had people specifically been looking for hiding places that you can use just by pulling off the road for 5 secs, that place fits the bill!


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[MU42M]

I don't buy the theory LE would choose those words for the husband if they weren't confident he's not involved. Snohomish County isn't huge. Good luck finding jurors that don't remember the husband being "cleared" if they ever needed to take him to trial. You can use less generous words with the press to indicate you aren't leaning toward the husband. LE isn't pursuing anything with husband and I fully trust their statement they're done with him. ETA: To me, this also means there's something more in their investigation we aren't aware of that makes it really, really, really likely he's not involved - otherwise, they wouldn't make that statement.


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[jemini]

Has anyone read that the area she was found was previously searched before the day the volunteers found her?


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Question: what direction is the bus station and how far? Same with her car. I looked on Google Earth and car was according to report, blocks away from the bus centre. Parked on a street with library and police station. Lots of people I would think.

It looked like the creek ran N to S along Cedar on the side of the street she was found where the sign is (not sure which direction the current runs in). It seems like a creek/ditch with a lot of grass, sticks, plant barriers and corners in it. I definitely don't get the impression that a body could have traveled any distance in it. I could be wrong but it seems impossible upon viewing.

ETA, her house is north and slightly west of of where she was found.


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[DatelineFan]

I don't buy the theory LE would choose those words for the husband if they weren't confident he's not involved. Snohomish County isn't huge. Good luck finding jurors that don't remember the husband being "cleared" if they ever needed to take him to trial. You can use less generous words with the press to indicate you aren't leaning toward the husband. LE isn't pursuing anything with husband and I fully trust their statement they're done with him. ETA: To me, this also means there's something more in their investigation we aren't aware of that makes it really, really, really likely he's not involved - otherwise, they wouldn't make that statement.


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What do you think of a woman being involved? Do you think the words they chose about Cheryl leaving the house, were ambiguous at all?

ETA, I ask this because I think you're making valid points

 

[Hdk]

Good point. I forgot about the "she walked away on her own" theory. Very possible that someone wanted to make it seem like she did (or that she jumped on transit to work and met danger on her way).

And O/T, I DID have a co-worker fake his own disappearance and bail on his pregnant wife and two kids on Valentine's Day, so that he could go lead a strange swingin' life in LA. Totally legal to disappear himself. It was a case on WS. (Nicolas Francisco)


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I remember that dirt bag. Ugh.


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[MU42M]

What do you think of a woman being involved? Do you think the words they chose about Cheryl leaving the house, were ambiguous at all?

I agree the words they chose about Cheryl were vague. They clearly didn't say she was seen even though her husband was "seen." But, I still think it's more likely than not she left then. It seems too consistent with her everyday patterns to me for someone to intervene and murder her in that timeframe. I think a female perpetrator is completely possible, though it would make logistics more difficult IMO (harder for a female to overpower her and dispose of her quickly I would think, but maybe I'm biased as a rather short and weak female).


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[kammiemc]

Question: what direction is the bus station and how far? Same with her car. I looked on Google Earth and car was according to report, blocks away from the bus centre. Parked on a street with library and police station. Lots of people I would think.



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The direction to where her car was parked was mostly directly West, (a mile or so?) and just a couple blocks North.

When I was there today there was no one on the block where her car was found (despite that there is a large playground there and it was a nice Sat!) But, as the closest place to park near the transit station besides the parking lot, I imagine it could be more populated at 7 AM on a Mon.


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[Seatowner]

What I find weird is how close the "dump" site is in relation to houses. But from the picture you can see the "turn off" which is used for county or city vehicles when maintaining that culvert.


**** Note****** don't be confused by the street being labeled 205th. It is also 244th. It is the county line and the road changes names.



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[CeiliMom]

I keep going back to the fact that investigators believe she was near where her car was found when she disappeared.
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...rces-into-search-for-mountlake-terrace-woman/

I take that as they found something or a piece of something of hers.

My theory has her realizing she left the badge at home before getting to the park and ride. She pulls over, quickly texts the carpool driver and then goes around to the passenger side to check just in case it's just on the floor or in between the seat and door. As she's doing this, someone comes up behind her. As she turns, she's startled and drops her phone, it breaks apart (assuming it's one that has a removable battery) or shatters. The person that has come upon her threatens to kill her with the knife or gun the have concealed if she doesn't come along quietly and walks her to his/her vehicle.

At some point in all that, something, maybe a piece of her phone or glasses or even a receipt has been left behind on the ground, leading the investigators to the belief that she was there.

 

[kammiemc]

I keep going back to the fact that investigators believe she was near where her car was found when she disappeared.
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...rces-into-search-for-mountlake-terrace-woman/

I take that as they found something or a piece of something of hers.

My theory has her realizing she left the badge at home before getting to the park and ride. She pulls over, quickly texts the carpool driver and then goes around to the passenger side to check just in case it's just on the floor or in between the seat and door. As she's doing this, someone comes up behind her. As she turns, she's startled and drops her phone, it breaks apart (assuming it's one that has a removable battery) or shatters. The person that has come upon her threatens to kill her with the knife or gun the have concealed if she doesn't come along quietly and walks her to his/her vehicle.

At some point in all that, something, maybe a piece of her phone or glasses or even a receipt has been left behind on the ground, leading the investigators to the belief that she was there.

I cannot disagree with that. It is a big possibility. I guess the thing that throws me off is the motive for someone to remove her from that already wooded, slightly creepy scene, and drive her blocks east to hide her in the culvert. Especially with no one having used her credit cards? Why? There was a perfectly fine wooded area to hide her in, with lots of crevices, right there!




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[jemini]

I keep going back to the fact that investigators believe she was near where her car was found when she disappeared.
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...rces-into-search-for-mountlake-terrace-woman/

I take that as they found something or a piece of something of hers.

My theory has her realizing she left the badge at home before getting to the park and ride. She pulls over, quickly texts the carpool driver and then goes around to the passenger side to check just in case it's just on the floor or in between the seat and door. As she's doing this, someone comes up behind her. As she turns, she's startled and drops her phone, it breaks apart (assuming it's one that has a removable battery) or shatters. The person that has come upon her threatens to kill her with the knife or gun the have concealed if she doesn't come along quietly and walks her to his/her vehicle.

At some point in all that, something, maybe a piece of her phone or glasses or even a receipt has been left behind on the ground, leading the investigators to the belief that she was there.

I think she knew the killer, he knows her and that area well. Probably a lover if not her husband. He dumped her in an area she would certainly be found. I wonder if they were in her car together and they parked on that service road. It doesn't seem plausible a random abduction at peak morning transit time. There surely would be a lot of people around. Too bad we don't have access to the evidence, obviously LE isn't going to share. Anyone know if a crime heat map is available in that area?

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