Found Deceased WA - Cheryl DeBoer, 54, Mountlake Terrace, 8 February 2016 #2

[Yvettea]

I think she knew the killer, he knows her and that area well. Probably a lover if not her husband. He dumped her in an area she would certainly be found. I wonder if they were in her car together and they parked on that service road. It doesn't seem plausible a random abduction at peak morning transit time. There surely would be a lot of people around. Too bad we don't have access to the evidence, obviously LE isn't going to share. Anyone know if a crime heat map is available in that area?

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I agree that she knew the killer and the killer knows the area well. He may even be a resident. I don't see the killer as a lover, but a molester.

ETA: he may have taken her to his home during the day and dumped the body at night.

 

[kammiemc]

I agree that she knew the killer and the killer knows the area well. He may even be a resident. I don't see the killer as a lover, but a molester.

Something to consider is that this family has ALWAYS lived in the same town. CD and her husband chose to stay there. So if we are looking at ladies, it could be women who were happily married for decades but always held a torch, or women who got a divorce.

Believe me, I don't think this is the "It" theory. But you know this is something LE would have had to entertained and excluded, right?


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[Yvettea]

Something to consider is that this family has ALWAYS lived in the same town. CD and her husband chose to stay there. So if we are looking at ladies, it could be women who were happily married for decades but always held a torch, or women who got a divorce.


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Or men carried the torch This family is established in the neighborhood. She's abducted from the local park and ride. Fear has gripped the community. It's almost as much a crime against the neighborhood as against Cheryl.

ETA: someone in the neighborhood may be watching and enjoying this all play out.

 

[jemini]

Something to consider is that this family has ALWAYS lived in the same town. CD and her husband chose to stay there. So if we are looking at ladies, it could be women who were happily married for decades but always held a torch, or women who got a divorce.

Believe me, I don't think this is the "It" theory. But you know this is something LE would have had to entertained and excluded, right?


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Look at this screenshot. Comparing to the previous post. Is this the spot, where that truck is parked? It's a 34 minute walk from her car to there...if it matters.

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[Yvettea]

Look at this screenshot. Comparing to the previous post. Is this the spot, where that truck is parked? It's a 34 minute walk from her car to there...if it matters.

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I believe that is the spot.

 

[Scentamental]

I'm not sure if this link will take you directly to the trail people can walk down to the park and ride from 58th or not but hopefully it will so you can see that perhaps Cheryl got out of her car, started walking down that path (remember it was actually darker out earlier that monday morning) and then realized she forgot her badge? Perhaps started back up the trail towards her car and stopped to text? https://www.google.com/maps/@47.786...4!1sIMHoFpul0UKdQ8fq7QGLMQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

 

[Stripehaven]

Interesting comments on the MLT news Facebook page.

Can you be more specific - date, time, headline of post containing comments? I am not seeing any comments newer than a few days ago. Thanks!

 

[katydid23]

I keep going back to the fact that investigators believe she was near where her car was found when she disappeared.
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...rces-into-search-for-mountlake-terrace-woman/

I take that as they found something or a piece of something of hers.

My theory has her realizing she left the badge at home before getting to the park and ride. She pulls over, quickly texts the carpool driver and then goes around to the passenger side to check just in case it's just on the floor or in between the seat and door. As she's doing this, someone comes up behind her. As she turns, she's startled and drops her phone, it breaks apart (assuming it's one that has a removable battery) or shatters. The person that has come upon her threatens to kill her with the knife or gun the have concealed if she doesn't come along quietly and walks her to his/her vehicle.

At some point in all that, something, maybe a piece of her phone or glasses or even a receipt has been left behind on the ground, leading the investigators to the belief that she was there.

I agree with your scenario. I just don't understand why a random thief would go to the trouble/danger to take her to the culvert and dump her. Why not leave her in her car? And why kill her at all? Why not just take her purse and go?

 

[katydid23]

I thought about Cheryl yesterday when I got myself in an awkward and slightly dangerous situation. I was doing an errand in a kind of seedy area where I had to drop off something in an industrial area in Los Angeles.

I came back to my car, in a weird secluded parking area. It was after 6 and few cars were around. I got in my car and locked the doors. As I was about to put my keys in the ignition, my cell rang and I reached for it and dropped my keys between my passenger seat and console. :no:

So I had to get out of the car, go around to passenger door and lean over awkwardly, to try and see where they landed. Then had to look under the seat and feel around for them. I was feeling very vulnerable as the door was open and I was practically laying down. I thought of Cheryl and wondered if she had been looking for her badge, thinking it may have been in her car somewhere.

 

[JulieAnne]

I had mentioned a text log - several hundred posts ago. I can't find it. Maybe I dreamed it up! But it keeps gnawing at me.

Based on the text info here:
http://www.heraldnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20160216/NEWS01/160219330&template=MobileArt

She texted the final text saying it would take 10 minutes. We have not been told what time that was sent but the 10 minute response was to the offer to wait for Cheryl. The phone was then powered down.

It seems like Cheryl knew it was at home and that's where she was going to get it and at least at that moment - she thought she'd be back there at the P&R in 10 minutes.

I have heard (probably on crime shows) that a power down is different than a break or a dead battery or a short circuit where the phone is suddenly dead.

So I am leaning toward the fact that she left her driveway alone. She pulled over somewhere else to turn around. At that point - I think someone else was present.

Somehow I believe they got her to hand over her phone. I think what may have looked innocent to bystanders was when she got into the passenger side of her white car. I think she was killed there. Then I think the person could have driven to the place her body was found and left her there before returning her car to the overflow parking area.

When they left the car, they took her stuff. But left behind, in the vehicle, was enough blood so that there was no doubt that Cheryl had been in that car that morning.

Can you please poke holes in this so it will stop playing like this in my head?

 

[Hdk]

Look at this screenshot. Comparing to the previous post. Is this the spot, where that truck is parked? It's a 34 minute walk from her car to there...if it matters.

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It's pretty amazing how close houses are to where her body was found. I didn't realize until the pic. Dang.


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[DatelineFan]

Can you be more specific - date, time, headline of post containing comments? I am not seeing any comments newer than a few days ago. Thanks!

Yeah, it's an old comment. It was new to me. Sorry. It's from a man about the ME and suicide. From Wednesday.

 

[Hdk]

I had mentioned a text log - several hundred posts ago. I can't find it. Maybe I dreamed it up! But it keeps gnawing at me.

Based on the text info here:
http://www.heraldnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20160216/NEWS01/160219330&template=MobileArt

She texted the final text saying it would take 10 minutes. We have not been told what time that was sent but the 10 minute response was to the offer to wait for Cheryl. The phone was then powered down.

It seems like Cheryl knew it was at home and that's where she was going to get it and at least at that moment - she thought she'd be back there at the P&R in 10 minutes.

I have heard (probably on crime shows) that a power down is different than a break or a dead battery or a short circuit where the phone is suddenly dead.

So I am leaning toward the fact that she left her driveway alone. She pulled over somewhere else to turn around. At that point - I think someone else was present.

Somehow I believe they got her to hand over her phone. I think what may have looked innocent to bystanders was when she got into the passenger side of her white car. I think she was killed there. Then I think the person could have driven to the place her body was found and left her there before returning her car to the overflow parking area.

When they left the car, they took her stuff. But left behind, in the vehicle, was enough blood so that there was no doubt that Cheryl had been in that car that morning.

Can you please poke holes in this so it will stop playing like this in my head?

This makes a lot of sense to me and seems probable. I think the reason her family had released statements about being devastated early on is because even before the police had the car in their possession her husband had found the car first and discovered a considerable amount of blood to have an idea that she was in serious danger/no longer alive.

The whole thing is so bizarre. If she was killed at her car/or her body was put in the passenger seat to be driven to the dump site I'm curious if the seat was In the right place for her height or if they found other fingerprints in the car.

LE knows a lot and they aren't going to release anything until they are finished strategizing. I just wish they would hurry up because this poor woman deserves the justice and so does her family.


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[Stripehaven]

Yeah, it's an old comment. It was new to me. Sorry. It's from a man about the ME and suicide. From Wednesday.

Thank you!

 

[Stripehaven]

It's pretty amazing how close houses are to where her body was found. I didn't realize until the pic. Dang.


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Also plenty of traffic during commute times, and sporadic traffic the rest of the day. I have to believe she was hidden at night.

 

[DatelineFan]

Also plenty of traffic during commute times, and sporadic traffic the rest of the day. I have to believe she was hidden at night.

Yeah, if she wasn't put in the culvert before the morning of the 8th (which is probably not the case), I think she was held somewhere, either dead or alive, and put there in the dark. That makes me sad. 😔

 

[FrostOwl]

Just a few random ideas of mine:

* LE have cleared her husband from involvement, but have they cleared her son, and other family members from involvement?

* Perhaps it was just the date of Cheryl's disappearance that was random, the abduction and killing was planned beforehand and that Monday morning was the first opportunity the perpetrator had to lure her into his car?

* Cheryl was obviously the victim of this crime, but to kill her was perhaps used as a method to cause pain and suffering to her husband and/or son, and other members of her family. There was perhaps someone who held a grudge against her husband and/or her son, and they thought that to abduct and kill Cheryl was the best way to get their revenge on her loved ones?
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[darring21]

I had mentioned a text log - several hundred posts ago. I can't find it. Maybe I dreamed it up! But it keeps gnawing at me.

Based on the text info here:
http://www.heraldnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20160216/NEWS01/160219330&template=MobileArt

She texted the final text saying it would take 10 minutes. We have not been told what time that was sent but the 10 minute response was to the offer to wait for Cheryl. The phone was then powered down.

It seems like Cheryl knew it was at home and that's where she was going to get it and at least at that moment - she thought she'd be back there at the P&R in 10 minutes.

I have heard (probably on crime shows) that a power down is different than a break or a dead battery or a short circuit where the phone is suddenly dead.

So I am leaning toward the fact that she left her driveway alone. She pulled over somewhere else to turn around. At that point - I think someone else was present.

Somehow I believe they got her to hand over her phone. I think what may have looked innocent to bystanders was when she got into the passenger side of her white car. I think she was killed there. Then I think the person could have driven to the place her body was found and left her there before returning her car to the overflow parking area.

When they left the car, they took her stuff. But left behind, in the vehicle, was enough blood so that there was no doubt that Cheryl had been in that car that morning.

Can you please poke holes in this so it will stop playing like this in my head?

I think this is entirely possible. I've thought it was random and she was taken away in a different vehicle. Her car never left the library location. Her body was dumped later and the motive was robbery and drug related. I'm beginning to think there may be evidence of SA.

 

[PLT]

I agree with your scenario. I just don't understand why a random thief would go to the trouble/danger to take her to the culvert and dump her. Why not leave her in her car? And why kill her at all? Why not just take her purse and go?

I agree with your 'whys?"- for each of my theories those same question keep coming up in my head. I am now thinking that this may be one of those cases like Carleesha Gaither's or the others that were mentioned upthread where everything was done in a random manner.

There was a woman on a talk show years ago (Oprah I think). The story stuck with me and I keep thinking about it each time I read this thread. The woman was targeted for no reason while she was in her backyard . The guy was so bold as to sneak into her house, kill her husband and then wait for her. He kidnapped her and during the days that she was missing, some people thought she had killed her husband and fled. I now never leave my door open when I'm outside because I feel I am exposing my family to a similar situation. That may be over-reacting but the details of that incident had that impact on me. Point is - all of it was random and I don't like cases like that because they make me realize how a life can change just because we catch the eye of the wrong person.

Here is that woman's book - I have never read it as I think it would haunt me but the first page of the site gives a brief background of this middle aged woman going about her routine like CD was trying to do.

http://www.puglisisharp.com

 

[MU42M]

^Really like JulieAnne's theory about the phone. Makes a lot of sense.


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